Bob Valvano - Shut up!

[Beatle Bum]

i understand that there are people who think that the playoff should be 8 teams to "be more fair," as if the fact that we have a thing called the P5 dictates that each requires a representative each and every year, but Valvano's insistance that anyone who opposes him on that is stupid or insulting his intelligence is pathetic. Shut your pie hole!

Valvano is a basketball guy. Basketball fans want football to resemble their tourney. Well, I love college football. There is no better sport to me. And, I don't agree that some 3 loss or even 4 loss conference champ should have a shot at the NC. Football is not for Cinderellas. I would much rather that team #5 have an argument that it should be in than have teams 6-8 be those that have not earned the right over the course of the season.

Disagree? Fine.

But, shut up Valvano about your position being the only one that makes sense.

 

[morgousky]

Basketball has way to many teams in the tournament. It should be at 32.

Football is fine. I wouldn't mind 8 but at least it's 4. The old format was terrible. 2004 was absolutely pathetic. Undefeated SEC team and no shot at a title. It made college football awful.

 

[CatsCats78]

When you have formats like the Football Playoff or the NCAA Tournament there's always gunna be complaints. 4 teams are fine for football. But you're always gunna have teams 5-8 complain about how the field's not big enough and that they should be in the playoff. Guess what? If the field was 8, you'd still have complaints from teams 9-12 saying how they should've been in. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and let it be. If you wanna be in the playoff, win games. Bottom line.

 

[akaukswoosh]

8 might be more fun for fans but I think the four-team format works nicely.

 

[FickusDuckus]

I didnt hear Valvano but he is right about 8. Its not a matter of IF its a matter of WHEN. Its gonna happen. Ill say the first time a team from the BIG or SEC is left out it will be a front burner topic. This year the conferences in doubt appear to be the Big 12 and the PAC. No one cares about the PAC and slightly more than on one cares about the Big 12. So its safe this year. Let the BIG or SEC be left out and 8 will happen.

Im an older guy but the old system (beauty pageant) was such a joke. There is a reason the NCAA recognized no national title in football for decades. It was a FARCE. You want a champ, you play a tourney. You want to crown a winner based on the same format a beauty contest uses you get what we saw for 100 years. Its like high school always the popular ones winning.

They have seen the money now so its all over but the crying. Those holding onto the older less inclusive ways of crowning a champ may as well move on. We will see an 8 team playoff in my life (61 now) and possibly more. The money will dictate it. The only thing holding it up right now is the old money (and its dying off) that clings to the slanted system that theyve gotten fat on for decades. Gravy train is over boys.

 

[kyboy1998_rivals34276]

I think 8 would be better. Conference champs from the P5 should be represented and adding 3 more worthy teams shouldn't be an issue.

I think some of you fear with an 8 team playoff Louisville would end up having a chance a few times a decade and we'd still be as irrelevant as ever.

 

[Woodrow24]

I think 8 would be better. Conference champs from the P5 should be represented and adding 3 more worthy teams shouldn't be an issue.

I think some of you fear with an 8 team playoff Louisville would end up having a chance a few times a decade and we'd still be as irrelevant as ever.

We are begging for a 6 win season and Louisville is in the hunt for the playoffs. You make a valid point that definitely rubs salt on the wound for people.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

and he'll want a 16 team playoff if UL loses to Houston. Funny how that works

 

[Lonesome Hippopotamus]

Bob is a lap dog for U of L. As far as playoffs, I believe there should be more teams involved. 8 is a good number.

 

[Nuke99m.]

Never heard of him.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I think 8 would be better. Conference champs from the P5 should be represented and adding 3 more worthy teams shouldn't be an issue.

I think some of you fear with an 8 team playoff Louisville would end up having a chance a few times a decade and we'd still be as irrelevant as ever.

There aren't 3 worthy extra teams. You would be filling the bracket simply to come to 8. That would give a team a chance that simply did not get it done all season long. IMO, when there are only 2 worthy teams, it is a shame to have 4. But, there are usually always 3-4 teams with a legit argument and often 5. After that it gets dicey.

 

[Beatle Bum]

We are begging for a 6 win season and Louisville is in the hunt for the playoffs. You make a valid point that definitely rubs salt on the wound for people.

UL is in the hunt for the 4 team playoff. Valvano was not making the argument for UL. He made this argument last year, as well, when your UL fans was not in the hunt.

This bait gives rise to a good point, however. The discussions would be far less passionate right now if there was an 8 team playoff. UL fans would assume they were in, instead of paying close attention to happenings in other conferences.

 

[Adolph Rollingover]

I like 4. Makes regular season a weekly playoff atmosphere. Lose and your done. Regular season matters.

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

His biggest claim to fame is that his brother died.

UofL had their chance and still may... long season.

 

[RS73CAT]

How about 6 teams, with 1 and 2 getting byes?

 

[Woodrow24]

UL is in the hunt for the 4 team playoff. Valvano was not making the argument for UL. He made this argument last year, as well, when your UL fans was not in the hunt.

This bait gives rise to a good point, however. The discussions would be far less passionate right now if there was an 8 team playoff. UL fans would assume they were in, instead of paying close attention to happenings in other conferences.

I didn't listen to Valvano to be honest. I like the play off format. Doesn't really matter to me either way whether it's 4 or 8. Pros and cons to both. I never said he was making the argument for Louisville. Didn't imply it either. All I stated was that I agreed some fans are upset because of the differences of our program and our rivals.

 

[Ugoff]

I wonder why he didn't bring this up last week.

 

[Blueaz]

How about 6 teams, with 1 and 2 getting byes?

I am for this.

 

[Michigan Fan]

The current format is fine...it protects the Regular Season and Valvano is a Basketball guy

 

[Mike-D]

There aren't 3 worthy extra teams. You would be filling the bracket simply to come to 8. That would give a team a chance that simply did not get it done all season long. IMO, when there are only 2 worthy teams, it is a shame to have 4. But, there are usually always 3-4 teams with a legit argument and often 5. After that it gets dicey.

You probably hate the basketball tournament then.

 

[JHB4UK]

Learn listening to podcasts, dude. local Louisville radio used to piss me off without end, the constant propaganda and ethnic cleansing of any talk that might be pro-UK or anti-UL. since I've gone with nothing but podcasts for my listening pleasure I havent had a second of fecal matter from any local clown enter my ear for a year & a half. And nothing has been missed from any of the shows spouting their crap.

 

[CatsPaws270]

Four is perfect. You get the top 2 teams like the old system, but you also can add in two other deserving teams that may of been left off or stumbled early.

If you do not take care of business and leave your season up to chance, you become the #'s 5,6,8 teams. For the most part, if you get the best team or 2-3 teams that are clearly the best...then the system works.

 

[Michigan Fan]

Four is perfect. You get the top 2 teams like the old system, but you also can add in two other deserving teams that may of been left off or stumbled early.

If you do not take care of business and leave your season up to chance, you become the #'s 5,6,8 teams. For the most part, if you get the best team or 2-3 teams that are clearly the best...then the system works.

Completely agree...just handle your business at hand...and a early loss doesn't kill your season-(Ohio State in 2014 for example)...and if you finish in the Top 10 you're still going to a NYD Six Bowl.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

8 is fine. I'm not sure what the issue is. If you are a top 8 team, you are probably good enough to win the national title. The NFL has 12 and that works out well.

Pretty simple to me. You still use the committee to rank teams.

5 Power 5 champs
3 Wildcard teams

The first round you host at the top 4 teams campuses. (Note: Winning one's conference SHOULD NOT guarantee a home game if there is a better wildcard team resume out there to host. Now most of the time winning one's conference will mean you have the best record, but in outstanding circumstances/seasons a wildcard team could host one of the games at their campus).

Semis at sites like now
Championship at sites like now

 

[kb22stang]

4 is the exact right number, but it's going to expand and it will get watered down like basketball.

 

[rick64]

FBS playoff 8 teams works for me.

NCAAT go back to 64, these play-in games expanding to 68 teams was so silly. I'd even be fine with going back to 32.

 

[gamalielkid]

i understand that there are people who think that the playoff should be 8 teams to "be more fair," as if the fact that we have a thing called the P5 dictates that each requires a representative each and every year, but Valvano's insistance that anyone who opposes him on that is stupid or insulting his intelligence is pathetic. Shut your pie hole!

Valvano is a basketball guy. Basketball fans want football to resemble their tourney. Well, I love college football. There is no better sport to me. And, I don't agree that some 3 loss or even 4 loss conference champ should have a shot at the NC. Football is not for Cinderellas. I would much rather that team #5 have an argument that it should be in than have teams 6-8 be those that have not earned the right over the course of the season.

Disagree? Fine.

But, shut up Valvano about your position being the only one that makes sense.

We basically already have an 8 team playoff system in play. Power 5 conference championship games include two teams each that should be considered in that 8 team group. This is why the Power 5 conferences will eventually go to at least 16 all the way up to 20 teams and the Power 5 will eventually the power "4". We are most definitely not thru with conference re-alignment.

Go Big Blue!

 

[CB3UK]

8 in football, 32 in basketball. There really isnt an issue in football with having 9-12 teams who look deserving. There are always 5-6 who have earned a shot plus some of the smaller FBS conferences.

 

[KingsportKat]

Off topic a bit, but I loved the 32-team basketball tournament. You had to do very well in your conference to get in, and regular season and conference tournament games were all very important. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since expansion to more than 32, no team seeded worse than 8 has ever won the tournament. Thus there would be no danger of leaving out any team with a realistic chance to win the championship. Football is a completely different animal, and expansion runs the risk of diminishing the importance of regular season games, which I am completely against.

 

[Petjurino]

It's a fine line in terms of how many teams get in. I personally think 8 is too many. This is a sport that emphasizes the regular season because there are so few games. I actually like the idea of making the playoffs 6 teams with the top two teams getting byes. You could then give all Power 5 conference champions a place and also give a spot to a lesser conference so the "little man" is represented as well.

To me 4 is fine, 8 is too many, and 6 would be perfect. Also, the 3 and 4 seeds could host home games against the 5 and 6 seeds in the first round. Then go neutral sites after that. Or, I wouldn't be opposed to have the 1 and 2 seeds host home games against the winners of the 3-6 game and the 4-5 game. Then let the title game be played at a neutral site.

 

[buckkiller]

I wouldnt mind seeing it go to 6 teams playing for the the last 2 spots. Maybe 2 wilcard games playing for 3 and 4 seed. I would even set it up like 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5. Winner of then the highest seed plays 2 and the lowest seed plays 1.Example If 6 beats 3 the 1 seed plays 6 and 4 beats 5 the 4 plays 2 so fourth so on etc.... 6 teams would be perfect IMO.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Someone smarter than I should look into this: how often during the season has an OOC team outside the top 8/top 4 beaten an OOC team within the top 8/top 4. I am sure it has happened and probably more often than I can recall.
But my point would be that any team ranked 15 really has no shot at beating 3 teams ranked ahead of it. That would tell me the playoffs should be limited to no more than 8 teams.

 

[football follies]

I don't want 6 with byes it's too unfair. Can you imagine having a playoff game and then get Bama next week that's had the week off? Either leave it at 4 or go to 8

 

[greginky1957]

I didnt hear Valvano but he is right about 8. Its not a matter of IF its a matter of WHEN. Its gonna happen. Ill say the first time a team from the BIG or SEC is left out it will be a front burner topic. This year the conferences in doubt appear to be the Big 12 and the PAC. No one cares about the PAC and slightly more than on one cares about the Big 12. So its safe this year. Let the BIG or SEC be left out and 8 will happen.

Im an older guy but the old system (beauty pageant) was such a joke. There is a reason the NCAA recognized no national title in football for decades. It was a FARCE. You want a champ, you play a tourney. You want to crown a winner based on the same format a beauty contest uses you get what we saw for 100 years. Its like high school always the popular ones winning.

They have seen the money now so its all over but the crying. Those holding onto the older less inclusive ways of crowning a champ may as well move on. We will see an 8 team playoff in my life (61 now) and possibly more. The money will dictate it. The only thing holding it up right now is the old money (and its dying off) that clings to the slanted system that theyve gotten fat on for decades. Gravy train is over boys.

My thought is that if it does ever go to 8 teams, then it will be a purely financial decision to do so.

 

[CatsPaws270]

The playoff did add more excitement to more games. Its finding a fine line between adding to the regular season excitement and watering down the product.

Think back to 2014. Ohio State was finished. No need to care about their games under the old system. Baylor and TCU were just close...but no cigar.

Under the old system, by November most teams outside of a select 3-4 were pretty much out of contention. Under the new system, it seems like there's about 7-8 teams fighting for those spots by the end of the year. More games have meaning other that just the top teams in the country. 10-15 teams would be fighting it out in November and it would encompass more conferences and regions throughout the country. It would mean more games throughout the day on Saturday mean life or death for a squad. You also would not have to worry about a good team being left off as well.

I think 4 teams for right now makes sense. I think when the talent gap between the top 5 and top 20 teams gets bridged closer then you can add in more teams.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

I think it'll get to 8 one day.

with 4 teams you still have a couple 2 loss teams that played a tough schedule, 1 loss teams, and even undefeated mid-major programs left out, and that shouldn't happen.

The best teams should have a crack at the play offs, and every year there are about 8 undefeated and 1-2 loss programs who have a claim. Also, 8 teams will allow for each P5 to be represented most years.

After the top 8 you start getting into teams with 3 losses so it's a lot easier to draw the line there.

 

[UK90]

And, I don't agree that some 3 loss or even 4 loss conference champ should have a shot at the NC.

I don't think there'd be much risk of "3 or 4 loss" teams getting in an 8 team field. If you're gonna bash someone else's position, do so accurately--nobody's advocating a massive expansion, but instead only one to 8 teams at most. The odds of an 8 team field including teams with more than a couple losses are extremely slim to say the least.

And if such a team did get in, would that really be such a bad thing? Just because the current college football format won't allow for the possibility of cinderella, doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing. One problem with college football is you always know the same few titan programs that horde all the talent (Alabama, Ohio State, etc.) are gonna dominate each year--about 95 percent of fans begin each season knowing their team has no chance. It might be nice if more thought they actually had a chance to get in and have a shot at tourney glory.

 

[Anon1660081258]

An 8 team, three round playoff would be fun, and the 9th team would certainly have less to complain about than the 5th presently does. I just don't see it getting done for a host of practical reasons. We are probably lucky to have the present mini playoff. The bowl committees are still out there. Going to an 8 team playoff would probably mean having at least the first round games played at a location chosen by the better seeded participant school. Frankly, I think the playoffs should be handled entirely in this manner, just like the FCS, with the possible exception of the Championship Game, which should always be in a DELIGHTFUL location like CA, AZ, TX, LA, or FL. A 2 week break between the Semis and Championship would need to be maintained.

 

[Goingfor9]

i understand that there are people who think that the playoff should be 8 teams to "be more fair," as if the fact that we have a thing called the P5 dictates that each requires a representative each and every year, but Valvano's insistance that anyone who opposes him on that is stupid or insulting his intelligence is pathetic. Shut your pie hole!

Valvano is a basketball guy. Basketball fans want football to resemble their tourney. Well, I love college football. There is no better sport to me. And, I don't agree that some 3 loss or even 4 loss conference champ should have a shot at the NC. Football is not for Cinderellas. I would much rather that team #5 have an argument that it should be in than have teams 6-8 be those that have not earned the right over the course of the season.

Disagree? Fine.

But, shut up Valvano about your position being the only one that makes sense.

I want to rip you for your divisive and dismissive comments about basketball fans as if they know nothing about football. But I'll be mild. You say football is not for Cinderellas, well tell that to the NY Giants, squealers, Ravens, etc. D1 football FBS is the only system of football that does not have a legit field of contenders. Trust me folks can know a lot about football and basketball at the same time. You are defending a system that is at odds with the rest of the world of football. Pay attention to reality and stop with this "he's a basketball guy he doesn't know jack about football"

 

[Beatle Bum]

You probably hate the basketball tournament then.

Nope. Love it.