Boise State offensive coordinator Bush Hamdan is being targeted as the next offensive coordinator at Kentucky
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We could do worse. P5 (and SEC) experience, decent offensive #s, system that is balanced. Young guy who's been a good recruiter supposedly.
Downside is that I don't think he has a ton of playcalling experience and he's got quite a few pit stops.
Overall picture, I think I would've preferred Faulkner but oh well.
Downside is that I don't think he has a ton of playcalling experience and he's got quite a few pit stops.
Overall picture, I think I would've preferred Faulkner but oh well.
The ga tech guy would of made more sense though, especially since he has some history with Vandagriff
On paper, I like this guy more than GT fella.
Was on staff for a lot of those Chris Peterson Washington teams (Pass Game Coordinator the first time they went to CFP), and is the guy who brought 5* Malachi Nelson to Boise State this portal season.
Not a home run hire, but can certainly talk myself into him
Not a home run hire, but can certainly talk myself into him
Seems like a coach looking to move up the ladder, which is what I like. He was a pretty good QB when he played at Boise St. He will be eager to prove himself as a play caller in the SEC. He has SEC experience from his time at Mizzou. The only draw back to me is he is a West Coast guy that may not have many ties to recruiting the areas UK needs to be in.
But of the names bandied about, he was one of the most intriguing to me behind Rees and Faulkner.
Looks like it's a done deal with this announcement. I hope Vandegriff and the new offensive players that transferred in like this dude. I would about guarantee they did.
But of the names bandied about, he was one of the most intriguing to me behind Rees and Faulkner.
Looks like it's a done deal with this announcement. I hope Vandegriff and the new offensive players that transferred in like this dude. I would about guarantee they did.
Told y'all it would leak in the press today
bUt ThE JoB pOsTiNg WaIt TeN dAyZ!@#$%
bUt ThE JoB pOsTiNg WaIt TeN dAyZ!@#$%
Hopefully he leaves this field in Boise
I’m personally bummed the hell out that it isn’t Buster. I just think he would’ve been a much better fit.
Still reserving judgment but at first blush this is a meh hire. Don't see how he will add anything to recruiting with zero connections to the region. Coen wasn't an on the road guy but was an amazing closer. This guy will need to at least be in the same arena in terms of closing.
If he isn't, he will need to be an elite offensive coach. He hasn't proven it yet so it's unknown.
You can't go from one of the best in the business to a potential diamond in the rough. We needed at least an actual diamond in the rough or s certified up and comer. Instead we got what was most certainly a major fall back option.
If he isn't, he will need to be an elite offensive coach. He hasn't proven it yet so it's unknown.
You can't go from one of the best in the business to a potential diamond in the rough. We needed at least an actual diamond in the rough or s certified up and comer. Instead we got what was most certainly a major fall back option.
It is what it is if true. Don't think it makes much difference in the offense.
How many plays had Coen called when he arrived the first time?????
This dude is a former Bigtime QB at Boise and he has actually called plays. He was at Mizzou, so he has SEC experience and Mizzou recruited pretty good offensive players when he was there.
We could have done a whole lot worse.
Buster may not have wanted to leave Georgia coach marrow posted if they can get him to leave georgia
Stoops has had his eye on him before. A candidate the first time we hired Coen.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2020/12/...-news-missouri-tigers-bush-hamdan-uk-football
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2020/12/...-news-missouri-tigers-bush-hamdan-uk-football
And we could've done much better which was my ultimate point. Coen was the next guy in the NFL which was known around the league but to us fans. That pull was nothing short of amazing. He rode that reputation and skill to getting the most coveted NFL oc position out there. Then he did it again after another year.
That's miles better than a Boise state OC. It just is. What's worse is we had plenty of money to hire and this was our result.
Like I said I will reserve judgment. I posted almost the exact same thing when scangerello was hired. I was later surprised because he turned out better than I thought although a good deal short of coen. At least scangerello had a rep as an elite QB coach. We could sell that to players. This guy has virtually zero pedigree we can sell to sec guys.
Seems like a solid hire. Will win 6 or 7 next year regardless. It's one thing we can count on with Stoops and kudos to him as we couldn't say that in past uk history.
Boise State had just promoted him to AHC and made him the highest paid assistant in school history like a month ago to keep him, so they think highly of him there. Last year with Hamdan as OC, they were 1st in Mountain West in yards per play and 16th in all of FBS (and that’s with over 200 more plays ran than UK last year).
very balanced offense - 3,000 passing yards + 3,000 rushing yards (compare that to Liam's offense at UK last year - 2,700 passing yards + 1,600 rushing yards)
very balanced offense - 3,000 passing yards + 3,000 rushing yards (compare that to Liam's offense at UK last year - 2,700 passing yards + 1,600 rushing yards)
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Good catch! Stoops does circle back. Shannon Dawson was supposed to be his first WR coach in 2013 until Dana gave him co-OC title and pay bump.
Let’s just wait until the first series of plays in our opener before we judge him
I will take a wait and see attitude as well. I'm hoping he turns out to be great, but time will tell. I do think you are over selling Coen. If you look at his actual offensive performance in the years he has a been coordinator, he has been good, but I wouldn't call him one of the industry's best. Far from it. He is young and may turn out to be one of the best, but right now I would call him average. And I was really happy he came back.
Any insight into the system Hamden brings with him? Seems very balanced, for sure. NFL type of scheme or RPO or spread or all of the above? Will we still target QBs and WRs with NFL aspirations or install a college system which might yield more wins with different talent?
Oh I was very critical of many things coen did. But there is no denying he was top tier and in the top few in terms of closing a deal.
Plus it's easy to equate results with ability which doesn't tell the full story. Drops plagued us which is the most basic function of the wr.
The key difference is he was an easy sell to players. To replace him we needed more than just a good OC. We needed one that checked those other boxes too. Maybe this guy gets there but it's going to take a major deal of heavy lifting on that front.
Have to see it live….but “yuck” to this mess of crap happening in Lexington
1. One year as OC at Boise…that is coordinator experience. Let’s be real. Boise is a cool story and all…but you don’t get five seconds to run routes in sec football. The auburn coach was a painful lesson of his that style old ball translates to this conference
2. Stoops has zero offensive impact…so his coordinator is the brains. On thst side of ball it’s Bush Marrow Wolford Boulware and new Wr coach . Not exactly genius level coaching staff
3. Bush has zero recruiting exposure to south No kids are gong to be like that is a guy I’d want I play for
4. Stoops knew Coen was out since early January…so he’s had a chance to be gathering a list and this is who you come up wjtb? You had 1.9M with a 500k buyout to work with ..WTH is this? Even if Faulkner could not get him to take it. But Rees, Moreheqd as a stop gap etc. but we go wjtb tbjs direction?
Uk got hosed the minute Stoops was leaving for Texas am ..and they pulled back. We’d have been better off to just get a new direction with Stoops leaving…this is crap and UK is stuck with a coach ona stupid Mitch special contract
1. One year as OC at Boise…that is coordinator experience. Let’s be real. Boise is a cool story and all…but you don’t get five seconds to run routes in sec football. The auburn coach was a painful lesson of his that style old ball translates to this conference
2. Stoops has zero offensive impact…so his coordinator is the brains. On thst side of ball it’s Bush Marrow Wolford Boulware and new Wr coach . Not exactly genius level coaching staff
3. Bush has zero recruiting exposure to south No kids are gong to be like that is a guy I’d want I play for
4. Stoops knew Coen was out since early January…so he’s had a chance to be gathering a list and this is who you come up wjtb? You had 1.9M with a 500k buyout to work with ..WTH is this? Even if Faulkner could not get him to take it. But Rees, Moreheqd as a stop gap etc. but we go wjtb tbjs direction?
Uk got hosed the minute Stoops was leaving for Texas am ..and they pulled back. We’d have been better off to just get a new direction with Stoops leaving…this is crap and UK is stuck with a coach ona stupid Mitch special contract
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This is most important.
As much as we’d love to have great recruiters at every spot, if he can close on FIVE ⭐️ at BOISE, I think he will do just fine in the recruiting aspect.
Sure doesn’t sound like you are reserving judgement….
Doesn't sound like you are really reserving judgment, but I would encourage you to. You can't possibly know "we could've done much better" unless you actually know a fair amount about Hamdan's qualifications
and also have extensive knowledge about what other conversations occurred. To just make a blanket statement that we could have done better before you understand the hire is at best naive and viscerally negative.
Agree. Coen was a creative hire that could have worked out. He knows offensive football and did a good job with Levis. But Coen evidently can't settle down. Some people are like that. Then again, I read the other day that the longest serving current OCs in the SEC have been in their positions for 2 years. So it goes with the territory. And I also saw where Coen himself said he had more than enough control of UK's offense, but couldn't pass up the opportunity in TB. This information blows the hell out of the popular criticisms of Stoops that we so often see here from the anti-Stoops crowd. The only reasonable thing to do now is give Hamdan a fair chance. Anyone unwilling to do at least that much is not credible.
Yeah it’s about as bad as watching an Oregon basketball game!Hopefully he leaves this field in Boise
---Let’s just wait until the first series of plays in our opener before we judge him
That long? I say one play, max.
I’m not sure how to feel about this yet. He has enough credentials to not be a totally ridiculous hire, but he feels like a definite step below Rees and Faulkner, who most of the speculation centered on before this started leaking out.
I’m also not sure if I totally love reading that he’s big on pounding the run and then looking for play action. That just feels like a continuation of the slow paced ball control stuff we’ve gotten tired of over the last several seasons. It can work if you have the horses to pull it off, but at Kentucky playing against the rest of the SEC, I’m not sure we do on a consistent basis, and would rather have someone get a little more creative trying to score some points. This feels pretty underwhelming to me at first glance.
I’m also not sure if I totally love reading that he’s big on pounding the run and then looking for play action. That just feels like a continuation of the slow paced ball control stuff we’ve gotten tired of over the last several seasons. It can work if you have the horses to pull it off, but at Kentucky playing against the rest of the SEC, I’m not sure we do on a consistent basis, and would rather have someone get a little more creative trying to score some points. This feels pretty underwhelming to me at first glance.
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There are two completely separate issues 1) the initial hire itself, which focuses mostly on impact and 2) the ultimate performance. I'm reserving my judgement to see what he does on the field. The rest of my posts are on the initial hire which is subpar no matter how anyone cuts it.
You can't go from the next NFL oc superstar to a Boise state OC. That hire itself provides no positive impact and almost surely puts you playing catch-up with existing and prospective offensive players. Of course that ground can be made up but it's a deficit we shouldn't face with this kind of spending power.
None of us know anything about any of em except a clip here or there
If Stoops is cool with him I am he’s the one trying to protect a 8 million per year job
I’m sure he has a group in his inner circle he trusts
Luckett says he likes to throw to tight ends and his QB rushed for 500 yards
Two glaring weakness with Coen
If Stoops is cool with him I am he’s the one trying to protect a 8 million per year job
I’m sure he has a group in his inner circle he trusts
Luckett says he likes to throw to tight ends and his QB rushed for 500 yards
Two glaring weakness with Coen
Kind of a meh hire. Certainly not what most of us would've wanted but not the worst either. I just read that he took over playcalling duties at the end of last year at Mizzou but Drinkwitz chose to let him go to BSU. And Stoops passed him up at least once before and instead brought in Coen. So even in Stoops eyes, this is probably a downgrade.