Bombadeer

[atlkvb]

I never got an answer from you from this:

You wrote:
BombadEER said: ↑
Most of the children discussed are black children from the inter-cities. The moral and ethical practices in these families are non existent

So I responded:

And tell us my friend, what "morals" do your friends on the Left suggest these Black kids should be following to make them able to learn in your Government run schools?

Marriage? End sexual promiscuity and stop having so many out of wedlock Babies? Maybe you'd prefer them to even stop killing little Black Babies in Abortion Mills before they're even born?

Go to Church, Pray in your Public schools? Read their Bibles during recess? Learn what a really "moral" Family looks like... maybe a Tyrone and a Skeeter/ Two strong Black Males Married and raising Black kids in a Homo sexually promiscuous Loving and tolerant environment that teaches Black kids all White people especially heterosexual Males & Christians are Evil?

Which morals do you favor them living under since you so eloquently suggested a lack of them is the reason Public schools aren't getting the job of educating these poor kids done and it's because they come from broken homes with no "morals".

You said it. So educate us?



And your answer is?

 

[torontoeers]

His comments are loon bin as usual...but surprise! As another posted he is the penultimate ultra right...I can assure you he has a whopping total of zero 'friends on the left'....so nonetheless good question ...Bobby? Robeert? Bomba boy whatever your name is?......................I highly doubt he will respond to you. I badgered him for a photo he posted about 'Tim Kaine in a Mosque' for weeks to no response...Kaine was actually at a Sikh temple in the photo and video evidence was provided of him discussing Sikhism....run and hide under your rock like usual Bobby!

 

[atlkvb]

His comments are loon bin as usual...but surprise! As another posted he is the penultimate ultra right...I can assure you he has a whopping total of zero 'friends on the left'....so nonetheless good question ...Bobby? Robeert? Bomba boy whatever your name is?......................I highly doubt he will respond to you. I badgered him for a photo he posted about 'Tim Kaine in a Mosque' for weeks to no response...Kaine was actually at a Sikh temple in the photo and video evidence was provided of him discussing Sikhism....run and hide under your rock like usual Bobby!

We were having a discussion on why inner city Public schools fail minority kids and he posted it was because of the homes they come from (which is partially true) but this was the reason he gave. No morals at home.

I gave examples of minority kids who attend Catholic or other Private Charter schools in inner cities and do succeed, and took him to task for suggesting all Black kids grow up in Fatherless homes with no "morals".

I thought it was odd that someone on the Left as he appears to be would be demanding "morals" from kids so I figured I'd just ask him what sort of morals he suggested to make Public schools work? Obviously all the morals I suggested the Left hates, but he made the statement, I just suggested some morals to see which ones he'd prefer being on the Left?

As you can see he has so far refused to answer the question, so either his original post about why Blacks are failing in Public schools is BS, or he is full of it for suggesting the solution to improving inner city Public schools is better morals.

Typical Left hypocrisy.

 

[torontoeers]

We were having a discussion on why inner city Public schools fail minority kids and he posted it was because of the homes they come from (which is partially true) but this was the reason he gave. No morals at home.

I gave examples of minority kids who attend Catholic or other Private Charter schools in inner cities and do succeed, and took him to task for suggesting all Black kids grow up in Fatherless homes with no "morals".

I thought it was odd that someone on the Left as he appears to be would be demanding "morals" from kids so I figured I'd just ask him what sort of morals he suggested to make Public schools work? Obviously all the morals I suggested the Left hates, but he made the statement, I just suggested some morals to see which ones he'd prefer being on the Left?

As you can see he has so far refused to answer the question, so either his original post about why Blacks are failing in Public schools is BS, or he is full of it for suggesting the solution to improving inner city Public schools is better morals.

Typical Left hypocrisy.

I read it...and it flummoxed me, right , left or multidirectional...but then that is him...good luck tracking him down...

 

[atlkvb]

I read it...and it flummoxed me, right , left or multidirectional...but then that is him...good luck tracking him down...

That really annoys me too, it's OK to be wrong or get corrected (I was today on Exxon Valdez oil spill clean up efforts) but come back and take it like a Man when you're wrong, or at least defend your argument! Don't run off like a little "*****" all upset and pouting just because you got ***** slapped!

So far (and he made that post earlier today so I assume he's seen my question/response)...yet


Crickets

 

[atlkvb]

Since bombadeer bailed on this answer, many others of you on the Left on this board who support Public schools can take a stab at it if you agree with his reasoning why Black kids don't perform in inner city Public schools... because they come from broken homes with "no morals"?

So if you agree with him that's what's needed to help them succeed in the Government run schools, what "morals" do you favor they be taught at home? I've suggested a few in this post, but he hasn't had the guts to come back and defend his position, so I'm sure any of you who agree with him are capable of helping a fellow Left Brother out?

So let's hear it.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

We were having a discussion on why inner city Public schools fail minority kids and he posted it was because of the homes they come from (which is partially true) but this was the reason he gave. No morals at home.

I gave examples of minority kids who attend Catholic or other Private Charter schools in inner cities and do succeed, and took him to task for suggesting all Black kids grow up in Fatherless homes with no "morals".

I thought it was odd that someone on the Left as he appears to be would be demanding "morals" from kids so I figured I'd just ask him what sort of morals he suggested to make Public schools work? Obviously all the morals I suggested the Left hates, but he made the statement, I just suggested some morals to see which ones he'd prefer being on the Left?

As you can see he has so far refused to answer the question, so either his original post about why Blacks are failing in Public schools is BS, or he is full of it for suggesting the solution to improving inner city Public schools is better morals.

Typical Left hypocrisy.

Bombadeer is the furthest thing from from being "Left". He still believes Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood plant that was not born in America.

 

[atlkvb]

Bombadeer is the furthest thing from from being "Left". He still believes Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood plant that was not born in America.

Whatever,

I just wish he were as good at answering my question to him to defend his statement as to why Black kids aren't learning in Government inner city schools as he is in avoiding it.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Whatever,

I just wish he were as good at answering my question to him to defend his statement as to why Black kids aren't learning in Government inner city schools as he is in avoiding it.

Flippin' coward.

Yeah I'm not sure he knows how to even respond to posts inside a thread. He usually just starts threads with nonsense from Breitbart or Alex Jones and moves on without debate. You're probably wasting your time. That bulb doesn't shine all that bright.

 

[atlkvb]

Yeah I'm not sure he knows how to even respond to posts inside a thread. He usually just starts threads with nonsense from Breitbart or Alex Jones and moves on without debate. You're probably wasting your time. That bulb doesn't shine all that bright.

Appreciate the advice. He's likely going on my "ignore" list. I don't have a lot of time to spend on here, but I would prefer what time I do spend at least be productive if not informative.

You're right, I'm wasting what time I do have waiting on him because he's neither.

 

[atlkvb]

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[CAJUNEER_rivals]

I never got an answer from you from this:

You wrote:
BombadEER said: ↑
Most of the children discussed are black children from the inter-cities. The moral and ethical practices in these families are non existent

So I responded:

And tell us my friend, what "morals" do your friends on the Left suggest these Black kids should be following to make them able to learn in your Government run schools?

Marriage? End sexual promiscuity and stop having so many out of wedlock Babies? Maybe you'd prefer them to even stop killing little Black Babies in Abortion Mills before they're even born?

Go to Church, Pray in your Public schools? Read their Bibles during recess? Learn what a really "moral" Family looks like... maybe a Tyrone and a Skeeter/ Two strong Black Males Married and raising Black kids in a Homo sexually promiscuous Loving and tolerant environment that teaches Black kids all White people especially heterosexual Males & Christians are Evil?

Which morals do you favor them living under since you so eloquently suggested a lack of them is the reason Public schools aren't getting the job of educating these poor kids done and it's because they come from broken homes with no "morals".

You said it. So educate us?



And your answer is?

Fatherless homes is the major issue in minority families. In the 1930 fatherless homes and divorce were almost strictly white issues. That changed after the New Deal (though I'm not with those vilifying FDR today). The New Deal cut short the natural progression toward prosperity for black Americans. They left the South. They left the farms. Black families took the risk, moved to the cities for factory jobs not unlike Italian and Irish families a generation earlier. Italian and Irish families who made their livings off the sweat of their brows sent their kids to college. They became middle class, and some upper class. Black families were following the same path when the New Deal made it possible to get by without progressing. This began the destruction of the black family. Phase out welfare as a permanent way of life. End monetary handouts. Short term housing, food subsidies, and health care. It's not the government's job to give people dignity. People need to create their own dignity.

 

[atlkvb]

Fatherless homes is the major issue in minority families. In the 1930 fatherless homes and divorce were almost strictly white issues. That changed after the New Deal (though I'm not with those vilifying FDR today). The New Deal cut short the natural progression toward prosperity for black Americans. They left the South. They left the farms. Black families took the risk, moved to the cities for factory jobs not unlike Italian and Irish families a generation earlier. Italian and Irish families who made their livings off the sweat of their brows sent their kids to college. They became middle class, and some upper class. Black families were following the same path when the New Deal made it possible to get by without progressing. This began the destruction of the black family. Phase out welfare as a permanent way of life. End monetary handouts. Short term housing, food subsidies, and health care. It's not the government's job to give people dignity. People need to create their own dignity.

I actually agree with most of this. I'd argue the cause of the decline in the Black Family was more by design of misguided social manipulators, but you are for the most part correct in your analysis Cajuneer.

Unfortunately the OP ducked from the debate on the fix, but yours is a good start on a prescription towards ameliorating the poor performance of inner city Black kids in Public education.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

I never got an answer from you from this:

You wrote:
BombadEER said: ↑
Most of the children discussed are black children from the inter-cities. The moral and ethical practices in these families are non existent

So I responded:

And tell us my friend, what "morals" do your friends on the Left suggest these Black kids should be following to make them able to learn in your Government run schools?

Marriage? End sexual promiscuity and stop having so many out of wedlock Babies? Maybe you'd prefer them to even stop killing little Black Babies in Abortion Mills before they're even born?

Go to Church, Pray in your Public schools? Read their Bibles during recess? Learn what a really "moral" Family looks like... maybe a Tyrone and a Skeeter/ Two strong Black Males Married and raising Black kids in a Homo sexually promiscuous Loving and tolerant environment that teaches Black kids all White people especially heterosexual Males & Christians are Evil?

Which morals do you favor them living under since you so eloquently suggested a lack of them is the reason Public schools aren't getting the job of educating these poor kids done and it's because they come from broken homes with no "morals".

You said it. So educate us?



And your answer is?

While not addressed to me, I am struggling to understand your question?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Fatherless homes is the major issue in minority families. In the 1930 fatherless homes and divorce were almost strictly white issues. That changed after the New Deal (though I'm not with those vilifying FDR today). The New Deal cut short the natural progression toward prosperity for black Americans. They left the South. They left the farms. Black families took the risk, moved to the cities for factory jobs not unlike Italian and Irish families a generation earlier. Italian and Irish families who made their livings off the sweat of their brows sent their kids to college. They became middle class, and some upper class. Black families were following the same path when the New Deal made it possible to get by without progressing. This began the destruction of the black family. Phase out welfare as a permanent way of life. End monetary handouts. Short term housing, food subsidies, and health care. It's not the government's job to give people dignity. People need to create their own dignity.

Not sure I fully agree with you. Much that I have read points to the mid 50s as the decline of the African American family.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

I actually agree with most of this. I'd argue the cause of the decline in the Black Family was more by design of misguided social manipulators, but you are for the most part correct in your analysis Cajuneer.

Unfortunately the OP ducked from the debate on the fix, but yours is a good start on a prescription towards ameliorating the poor performance of inner city Black kids in Public education.

I think it is just as much socio economic than raced based. Appalachian trends are similar to inner city trends. Births out of wedlock, HS dropouts, drugs, alcohol abuse.....

 

[atlkvb]

While not addressed to me, I am struggling to understand your question?

You'd have to go back to the original thread and read it through. Here's a link to the whole discussion going up to when bombadeer made his statement about why he thinks minority kids fail in inner city Pubic schools:

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....ilures-are-related-to-teachers-unions.135501/
I asked him a question which he has so far avoided, and what you are now asking me is the point of my question?

 

[atlkvb]

I think it is just as much socio economic than raced based. Appalachian trends are similar to inner city trends. Births out of wedlock, HS dropouts, drugs, alcohol abuse.....

True, but then I asked for an answer as to why those same economically deprived kids do perform and can learn in a different environment not run by the Government? for instance Catholic schools, Private schools? Those same kids when they're taken out of the Public schools succeed and excel.

Why?

Same kids, same poverty, coming from the same screwed up Families...yet somehow those schools manage to find ways to get those poor kids to learn.

I asked bombadeer to explain that and he said they lack morals. Surprisingly he stumbled into the truth. But I wanted to know from him what "morals" should be taught in the Public schools if that's the formula for getting those kids to succeed?

He won't answer me.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

I actually agree with most of this. I'd argue the cause of the decline in the Black Family was more by design of misguided social manipulators, but you are for the most part correct in your analysis Cajuneer.

Unfortunately the OP ducked from the debate on the fix, but yours is a good start on a prescription towards ameliorating the poor performance of inner city Black kids in Public education.

The New Deal was misguided social manipulators, for the most part.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Not sure I fully agree with you. Much that I have read points to the mid 50s as the decline of the African American family.

Yeah, that’s when the New Deal began to show these effects.

 

[atlkvb]

The New Deal was misguided social manipulators, for the most part.

Actually Cajuneer I do not believe they were "misguided". They had a plan for the black Family, and it pretty much worked as planned. they just didn't figure it would take this long to get rid of us all, and now they're pissed that some like me have 'em figured out.

Last thing they want is Trump bringing in jobs and opportunity into inner cities to the point Blacks stop depending on Liberal handouts to survive. There will be a Holy War to keep that from happening. They want those Negroes left right there on that Liberal plantation where they can be controlled every election cycle.

Trump comes in with jobs to where those Blacks don't have a need for anymore Welfare, Food Stamps, or housing assistance, then guess what? No more Democrat advantages at the polls. Perish the thought if you're on the Left.

Don't believe me? You should hear the names I get called because I don't live on the Liberal plantation. I work, and vote Republican for low taxes and limited Government and I'm worse than an Imperial Wizard in the KKK.

 

[atlkvb]

Yeah, that’s when the New Deal began to show these effects.

I would peg the decline shortly after LBJ's "great society" and "War on poverty" programs. That mixed with the social upheaval of the 60's and then the "free love" and Women's liberation movements of the early 70's, and from that point on it was a nosedive for many middle class Black families. Black women were told Fathers were no longer needed to raise Babies if they didn't want to abort them first, and Black men were encouraged to go out & f*ck whatever moved because if you got her "knocked up" she could collect enough public assistance to support the Baby AND you without you're needing to even go get a job and be a Man who takes care of his offspring! (you all probably think I'm making this up, but assure you this is what many in the Black community were being told by the Left)

My Dad's folks raised him out of the Jim Crow South. He became a Soldier in the 50's, served in Korea, returned home in 1955, Married a year later, and took a job working in a meat packing plant in upstate New York...where he eventually became a Butcher by trade.

Most of the kids I grew up with in the 60's came from 2 Parent households, but by the time I graduated H.S. in the mid 70's you could see a lot of Families breaking up. It took one or two more generations through the 90's, but now this current crop of Young Blacks come from predominantly Fatherless or one parent homes. Not all, but a vast majority.

We could get into the simultaneous decline of morality and God during this same period but this is a message board not a term paper. Suffice it to say the mixture of these two volatile elixirs into Black culture has resulted in the devastation we are observing today. And in my opinion at the source of it all is Big Government with it's failed social programs, failed schools, failed income redistribution schemes, failed promises to Blacks and failed results.