BoT (ches).

Chumboshifko1

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The Joe, Spanier, Curley, Schulz setup; the illegal consent decree; allowing the B10 to steal the bowl shares; the no vetting Sandusky money grab; rigging BoT voting; the Portland firing; the sneaky Statue and Joe memorial removals; Amaechi; Barbour;
Hiding TSM involvement; Franklin.

Has any University been run by such worms?
 

psu7113

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The Joe, Spanier, Curley, Schulz setup; the illegal consent decree; allowing the B10 to steal the bowl shares; the no vetting Sandusky money grab; rigging BoT voting; the Portland firing; the sneaky Statue and Joe memorial removals; Amaechi; Barbour;
Hiding TSM involvement; Franklin.

Has any University been run by such worms?
It is particularly galling when you see how the scandals in the same timeframe at Universities that stood up for themselves (OSU, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan State) have simply faded away. Nobody talks about them, yet the first thing that people think of when they discuss Penn State is Sandusky. Whatever happened, there is no simply no way that Joe Paterno (of all people) knowingly and deliberately covered up child molestation by a former coach who he had absolutely no incentive whatsoever to protect. That is completely nonsensical and yet Penn State somehow managed to fail in making that case. What a bunch of milquetoast buffoons.
 

Knickslions69

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The Joe, Spanier, Curley, Schulz setup; the illegal consent decree; allowing the B10 to steal the bowl shares; the no vetting Sandusky money grab; rigging BoT voting; the Portland firing; the sneaky Statue and Joe memorial removals; Amaechi; Barbour;
Hiding TSM involvement; Franklin.

Has any University been run by such worms?
One thing is like Groundhog Day. Jumbo posting a BOT thread. Give it up
 

psu7113

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One thing is like Groundhog Day. Jumbo posting a BOT. Give it up
I know, I know we all need to “move on,” onward and upward, but that sort of attitude is precisely why the scandal still lingers. The fact of the matter is that, unless and until the rift among the alumni and supporters over this issue is fully and finally healed, PSU will never truly be the same. Anyone who suggests otherwise, no matter how popular that opinion may be, is lying to themselves. The question is how best to accomplish that, and there is no easy answer to that question.
 

Knickslions69

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I know, I know we all need to “move on,” onward and upward, but that sort of attitude is precisely why the scandal still lingers. The fact of the matter is that, unless and until the rift among the alumni and supporters over this issue is fully and finally healed, PSU will never truly be the same. Anyone who suggests otherwise, no matter how popular that opinion may be, is lying to themselves. The question is how best to accomplish that, and there is no easy answer to that question.
My post was in response to this guy who has had numerous handles over many years and keeps coming back with same nonsense after he gets banned.
 

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I know, I know we all need to “move on,” onward and upward, but that sort of attitude is precisely why the scandal still lingers. The fact of the matter is that, unless and until the rift among the alumni and supporters over this issue is fully and finally healed, PSU will never truly be the same. Anyone who suggests otherwise, no matter how popular that opinion may be, is lying to themselves. The question is how best to accomplish that, and there is no easy answer to that question.
Agree. And the issue isn’t going to solve itself or go away because one side tells the other they are wrong. The Admin needs to take the lead
 

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It is particularly galling when you see how the scandals in the same timeframe at Universities that stood up for themselves (OSU, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan State) have simply faded away. Nobody talks about them, yet the first thing that people think of when they discuss Penn State is Sandusky. Whatever happened, there is no simply no way that Joe Paterno (of all people) knowingly and deliberately covered up child molestation by a former coach who he had absolutely no incentive whatsoever to protect. That is completely nonsensical and yet Penn State somehow managed to fail in making that case. What a bunch of milquetoast buffoons.
Correct. The explanation is quite simple. The BOT and Administration were more than happy to make Joe the scapegoat to cover for their failures especially when ESPN and other media outlets got out the pitchforks without any evidence. There are other things but consider it was the Administration and BOT who gave Sandusky emeritus status and the right to use and bring Second Mile kids on campus as part of his retirement package despite Paterno’s written objection to him being permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus (see appendix to Freeh report); it was Spanier as the person in charge who had the responsibility to report possible abuse to DPW under the reporting statue but chose not to do so despite Schultz being told by counsel on retainer than the safest course was to report; and last but certainly not least they hired Freeh who had a well established reputation for being a professional ***** who would render a favorable opinion for whoever hired him when he was hired to conduct their “independent” investigation (a/k/a protect their asses and make sure to blame Paterno and the football program).
 

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Correct. The explanation is quite simple. The BOT and Administration were more than happy to make Joe the scapegoat to cover for their failures especially when ESPN and other media outlets got out the pitchforks without any evidence. There are other things but consider it was the Administration and BOT who gave Sandusky emeritus status and the right to use and bring Second Mile kids on campus as part of his retirement package despite Paterno’s written objection to him being permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus (see appendix to Freeh report); it was Spanier as the person in charge who had the responsibility to report possible abuse to DPW under the reporting statue but chose not to do so despite Schultz being told by counsel on retainer than the safest course was to report; and last but certainly not least they hired Freeh who had a well established reputation for being a professional ***** who would render a favorable opinion for whoever hired him when he was hired to conduct their “independent” investigation (a/k/a protect their asses and make sure to blame Paterno and the football program).
An important clarification to what you wrote:

CS&S were given sparse information at best from McQ. Sparse in this case means hardly actionable given the lack of detail McQ could remember or communicate . However, Dr Jack of TSM was indeed notified of what had happened. It was his duty and obligation to act. He failed to do anything of note.
 

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Oh great just what we need another thread for all the pedophile protecters to defend their favorite child molestor and his enablers.
 
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Listen, as someone who works in a field that regularly reports child abuse, it’s on the person who witnessed the abuse, or who the child divulged the abuse to, to report to social services. That would be McQueary.

At least that’s the way it should be, but PA operated under an old statute back then that the person who witnessed it reports it to the top administrator who reports it to social services. That would have been Spanier, which is why Paterno sent McQueary to him. There’s still a problem though—without knowing the ID of the kid, without having a kid to interview, and without evidence (i.e. marks, testimony of the victim, etc), they won’t take the case. So even if every single one of them, including McQueary, contacted social services, they wouldn’t haven taken this particular case.

Now, you always report. Even if it’s third-person hearsay you know they won’t take, or you don’t even have the identity of a victim. Sure, it’s predictable—you call, give them the info, and they say they won’t take it. But you still do it because you’re covered. Imagine how different it all would have gone if Spanier, on the stand, testified to having reported to CYS and they didn’t take it.
 

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It is particularly galling when you see how the scandals in the same timeframe at Universities that stood up for themselves (OSU, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan State) have simply faded away. Nobody talks about them, yet the first thing that people think of when they discuss Penn State is Sandusky. Whatever happened, there is no simply no way that Joe Paterno (of all people) knowingly and deliberately covered up child molestation by a former coach who he had absolutely no incentive whatsoever to protect. That is completely nonsensical and yet Penn State somehow managed to fail in making that case. What a bunch of milquetoast buffoons.
As much as it pains me to say this, you forgot to mention the school that totally neutered the NCAA: Carolina. We taught every school how NOT to act. Carolina taught everybody how TO act.
 

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An important clarification to what you wrote:

CS&S were given sparse information at best from McQ. Sparse in this case means hardly actionable given the lack of detail McQ could remember or communicate . However, Dr Jack of TSM was indeed notified of what had happened. It was his duty and obligation to act. He failed to do anything of note.
Agreed. But counsel said in essence that while he didn’t know if it rose to the level of mandating a report but recommended they do so out of an abundance of caution. Spanier’s email to Curley saying he agreed with his recommendation to not report acknowledged that the University could be inviting potential future trouble by not doing so. It should have been a no brainer to report especially considering the University knew Sandusky had been involved in a similar incident approximately 10 years earlier.
 
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PSU fans walking around in life paying penance to the memory of the scandal....

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Nobody is as effective at keeping the Sandusky story alive as PSU fans. We're on our third coach since Paterno and yet it continues.
On this site it is only one moron that keeps it going… perhaps Tom should delete these threads. There is another site this asshat can take the thread
 
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Agreed. But counsel said in essence that while he didn’t know if it rose to the level of mandating a report but recommended they do so out of an abundance of caution. Spanier’s email to Curley saying he agreed with his recommendation to not report acknowledged that the University could be inviting potential future trouble by not doing so. It should have been a no brainer to report especially considering the University knew Sandusky had been involved in a similar incident approximately 10 years earlier.
True. but it WAS reported to Raykovitz.
 

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Forgotten BoT(ch)....Hiring Freeh and Mitchell. Freeh to make up opinions based on what the idiots on the BoT wanted to hear.

Then, the azz Mitchell to "monitor" Penn State for things they had been doing for years. More wasted money to try to cover their butts.

That BoT was a total disgrace and embarrassment the Penn State.
 

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Barron reviewing the Freeh garbage. Longest review in history. His biggest accomplishment at Penn State?

Putting on 40 pounds.
 
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Correct. The explanation is quite simple. The BOT and Administration were more than happy to make Joe the scapegoat to cover for their failures especially when ESPN and other media outlets got out the pitchforks without any evidence. There are other things but consider it was the Administration and BOT who gave Sandusky emeritus status and the right to use and bring Second Mile kids on campus as part of his retirement package despite Paterno’s written objection to him being permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus (see appendix to Freeh report); it was Spanier as the person in charge who had the responsibility to report possible abuse to DPW under the reporting statue but chose not to do so despite Schultz being told by counsel on retainer than the safest course was to report; and last but certainly not least they hired Freeh who had a well established reputation for being a professional ***** who would render a favorable opinion for whoever hired him when he was hired to conduct their “independent” investigation (a/k/a protect their asses and make sure to blame Paterno and the football program).
100% ACCURATE. This rift and the anger against the University and its failed "leadership" will not go away. As long as the actual facts continue to be told by people who want the truth and value the truth there will be no peace.
 

JVP_Yahweh

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The Joe, Spanier, Curley, Schulz setup; the illegal consent decree; allowing the B10 to steal the bowl shares; the no vetting Sandusky money grab; rigging BoT voting; the Portland firing; the sneaky Statue and Joe memorial removals; Amaechi; Barbour;
Hiding TSM involvement; Franklin.

Has any University been run by such worms?
The women's hoops program hasn't been the same since Portland was fired. Love or hate her, she got it done on and off the court
 
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It is particularly galling when you see how the scandals in the same timeframe at Universities that stood up for themselves (OSU, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan State) have simply faded away. Nobody talks about them, yet the first thing that people think of when they discuss Penn State is Sandusky. Whatever happened, there is no simply no way that Joe Paterno (of all people) knowingly and deliberately covered up child molestation by a former coach who he had absolutely no incentive whatsoever to protect. That is completely nonsensical and yet Penn State somehow managed to fail in making that case. What a bunch of milquetoast buffoons.
Syracuse basketball with an active coach (Bernie Fine) sitting on the bench right beside the head coach was another university that fought back.
I will always believe that there was more concern in protecting the Second Mile and that Penn State football and Joe Paterno bore the brunt to protect people I've never heard of, but were/are big money.
 

HarrisburgDave

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Never stop arguing about the terrible treatment of Coach Paterno and the wimpy defense efforts of the BOT and their administrators.

The shame from that entire series of events was caused by the awful arguments made in defense of Penn State and the men who built the program. The Clinton era consultants hired to “handle” the PR cashed checks for shameful lies and scapegoating.

The then Board, Governor, and administrators deserve our everlasting contempt.

Never forget and never forgive.
 
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LB99

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Correct. The explanation is quite simple. The BOT and Administration were more than happy to make Joe the scapegoat to cover for their failures especially when ESPN and other media outlets got out the pitchforks without any evidence. There are other things but consider it was the Administration and BOT who gave Sandusky emeritus status and the right to use and bring Second Mile kids on campus as part of his retirement package despite Paterno’s written objection to him being permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus (see appendix to Freeh report); it was Spanier as the person in charge who had the responsibility to report possible abuse to DPW under the reporting statue but chose not to do so despite Schultz being told by counsel on retainer than the safest course was to report; and last but certainly not least they hired Freeh who had a well established reputation for being a professional ***** who would render a favorable opinion for whoever hired him when he was hired to conduct their “independent” investigation (a/k/a protect their asses and make sure to blame Paterno and the football program).
You forgot crooked Tommy Corbett.
 

LB99

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The Joe, Spanier, Curley, Schulz setup; the illegal consent decree; allowing the B10 to steal the bowl shares; the no vetting Sandusky money grab; rigging BoT voting; the Portland firing; the sneaky Statue and Joe memorial removals; Amaechi; Barbour;
Hiding TSM involvement; Franklin.

Has any University been run by such worms?
Franklin has zero business being in that BS you are writing. He had nothing to do with any of it. As much as you didn’t like him (and we all know why), he had ZERO to do with any of it and should not be in the same conversation.