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Again tho your looking specifically at two teams

Just because two teams COULD be paired up together, you also have three other teams on that seed line that will affect things.

You need to look at things in totality.
 

Seth C

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Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
How many times in the past years has Florida and UK been in the same region?

It's not just a Duke/UNC thing.
Since you asked so nicely:

Kentucky and Florida have both made the tournament 16 times. Of those 16 times, we could meet in the Elite Eight 6% of the time, in the Final Four 50% of the time, and not until the championship game 43% of the time. Compared that to Duke/UNC where they couldn't meet until the last game nearly 2/3rds of the time. The one time we could meet in the Elite 8 the SEC only had 5 teams make the tournament, we were a 1 seed, and the "extra" conference team (Florida) ended up in our bracket.

In fact, looking at the brackets doing this, I couldn't find a single year where the SEC got more than 6 teams in and we didn't get one of them in our quarter of the bracket, even if we got shipped out west. Meanwhile in 1999 when Auburn was the 1 seed they got the southeast bracket to themselves while two SEC teams got shipped west and two more to the midwest. In 2003 6 SEC teams made it in and two each ended up in 3 brackets while one had no SEC teams at all.

In 2006 LSU was the lone SEC team that got to play in the Atlanta region (the natural one for our entire conference) while two got shipped to Oakland, Florida got shipped to Minneapolis (with Iowa taking their seed in Atlanta...okay), and two SEC teams played in Washington.

Last year the poor little SEC only got 3 teams in but, just like magic, one of them ended up in the bracket with us! Amazing how that works.

This post was edited on 3/10 6:58 PM by Seth C
 
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Originally posted by Seth C:

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
How many times in the past years has Florida and UK been in the same region?

It's not just a Duke/UNC thing.
Since you asked so nicely:

Kentucky and Florida have both made the tournament 16 times. Of those 16 times, we could meet in the Elite Eight 6% of the time, in the Final Four 50% of the time, and not until the championship game 43% of the time. Compared that to Duke/UNC where they couldn't meet until the last game nearly 2/3rds of the time. The one time we could meet in the Elite 8 the SEC only had 5 teams make the tournament, we were a 1 seed, and the "extra" conference team (Florida) ended up in our bracket.

In fact, looking at the brackets doing this, I couldn't find a single year where the SEC got more than 6 teams in and we didn't get one of them in our quarter of the bracket, even if we got shipped out west. Meanwhile in 1999 when Auburn was the 1 seed they got the southeast bracket to themselves while two SEC teams got shipped west and two more to the midwest. In 2003 6 SEC teams made it in and two each ended up in 3 brackets while one had no SEC teams at all.

In 2006 LSU was the lone SEC team that got to play in the Atlanta region (the natural one for our entire conference) while two got shipped to Oakland, Florida got shipped to Minneapolis (with Iowa taking their seed in Atlanta...okay), and two SEC teams played in Washington.

Last year the poor little SEC only got 3 teams in but, just like magic, one of them ended up in the bracket with us! Amazing how that works.

This post was edited on 3/10 6:58 PM by Seth C
Who the heck cares whether or not it's the final four game or the title game? The fact is there was only ONE time in which the two teams were pair in the same region.

Your really reaching here.
 

Seth C

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Originally posted by The_Answer1313:

Originally posted by Seth C:

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
How many times in the past years has Florida and UK been in the same region?

It's not just a Duke/UNC thing.
Since you asked so nicely:

Kentucky and Florida have both made the tournament 16 times. Of those 16 times, we could meet in the Elite Eight 6% of the time, in the Final Four 50% of the time, and not until the championship game 43% of the time. Compared that to Duke/UNC where they couldn't meet until the last game nearly 2/3rds of the time. The one time we could meet in the Elite 8 the SEC only had 5 teams make the tournament, we were a 1 seed, and the "extra" conference team (Florida) ended up in our bracket.

In fact, looking at the brackets doing this, I couldn't find a single year where the SEC got more than 6 teams in and we didn't get one of them in our quarter of the bracket, even if we got shipped out west. Meanwhile in 1999 when Auburn was the 1 seed they got the southeast bracket to themselves while two SEC teams got shipped west and two more to the midwest. In 2003 6 SEC teams made it in and two each ended up in 3 brackets while one had no SEC teams at all.

In 2006 LSU was the lone SEC team that got to play in the Atlanta region (the natural one for our entire conference) while two got shipped to Oakland, Florida got shipped to Minneapolis (with Iowa taking their seed in Atlanta...okay), and two SEC teams played in Washington.

Last year the poor little SEC only got 3 teams in but, just like magic, one of them ended up in the bracket with us! Amazing how that works.

This post was edited on 3/10 6:58 PM by Seth C
Who the heck cares whether or not it's the final four game or the title game? The fact is there was only ONE time in which the two teams were pair in the same region.

Your really reaching here.
Who the heck cares if it's the round of 64 or the round of 32?
Who the heck cares if it's the round of 32 or the Sweet 16?
Who the heck cares if it's Sweet 16 or the Elite 8?
Who the heck cares if it's the Elite 8 or the Final Four?

The entire purpose of this thread is the discussion of two teams playing a round earlier or later, so who the heck cares? My guess would be you, me, and anyone else who bothered to post.

The word you're searching for here is "you're" and yes, I think it's statistically significant if the Duke/UNC match-up is protected for an additional round of the tournament 50% more often than any other two schools.
 
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Originally posted by Seth C:

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:

Originally posted by Seth C:

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
How many times in the past years has Florida and UK been in the same region?

It's not just a Duke/UNC thing.
Since you asked so nicely:

Kentucky and Florida have both made the tournament 16 times. Of those 16 times, we could meet in the Elite Eight 6% of the time, in the Final Four 50% of the time, and not until the championship game 43% of the time. Compared that to Duke/UNC where they couldn't meet until the last game nearly 2/3rds of the time. The one time we could meet in the Elite 8 the SEC only had 5 teams make the tournament, we were a 1 seed, and the "extra" conference team (Florida) ended up in our bracket.

In fact, looking at the brackets doing this, I couldn't find a single year where the SEC got more than 6 teams in and we didn't get one of them in our quarter of the bracket, even if we got shipped out west. Meanwhile in 1999 when Auburn was the 1 seed they got the southeast bracket to themselves while two SEC teams got shipped west and two more to the midwest. In 2003 6 SEC teams made it in and two each ended up in 3 brackets while one had no SEC teams at all.

In 2006 LSU was the lone SEC team that got to play in the Atlanta region (the natural one for our entire conference) while two got shipped to Oakland, Florida got shipped to Minneapolis (with Iowa taking their seed in Atlanta...okay), and two SEC teams played in Washington.

Last year the poor little SEC only got 3 teams in but, just like magic, one of them ended up in the bracket with us! Amazing how that works.

This post was edited on 3/10 6:58 PM by Seth C
Who the heck cares whether or not it's the final four game or the title game? The fact is there was only ONE time in which the two teams were pair in the same region.

Your really reaching here.
Who the heck cares if it's the round of 64 or the round of 32?
Who the heck cares if it's the round of 32 or the Sweet 16?
Who the heck cares if it's Sweet 16 or the Elite 8?
Who the heck cares if it's the Elite 8 or the Final Four?

The entire purpose of this thread is the discussion of two teams playing a round earlier or later, so who the heck cares? My guess would be you, me, and anyone else who bothered to post.

The word you're searching for here is "you're" and yes, I think it's statistically significant if the Duke/UNC match-up is protected for an additional round of the tournament 50% more often than any other two schools.
You can only keep a team from meeting another for so long.

Point is there are rules to keep teams from meeting in the same region. As far as final four and title game.....there are none and by that point who cares.

So your saying because UK UF could meet more in the final four whereas Duke UNC its the title game, that's somehow significant? Yeah I'm sure the committee is thinking about this when seeding teams.
 

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I don't believe the NCAA is doing Duke a favor, I think they're simply benefiting by having the South region set in Houston and being the 2 or 3rd top overall seed.

There isn't an advantage to winning every game or being the overall top seed. It's non-existent. We would have been better served, in relation to the brackets, to have lost games and been placed in Houston.

Remember those nail-biters against Ole Miss and Texas A&M? How about that missed 3 by Hornsby at the buzzer in Baton Rouge? They meant nothing.
 

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Originally posted by Lumpy 2:
Geography doesn't seem to be a factor in that region. All 3 of those teams would be shipped across the country. Lunardi's reason for keeping Wisconsin in our region is because of geography but he has them playing their 1st round games in Omaha.
Perhaps consult a map.

Omaha is the closest site to Madison.
 
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Originally posted by TigerPawsSC:

Originally posted by Lumpy 2:
Geography doesn't seem to be a factor in that region. All 3 of those teams would be shipped across the country. Lunardi's reason for keeping Wisconsin in our region is because of geography but he has them playing their 1st round games in Omaha.
Perhaps consult a map.

Omaha is the closest site to Madison.
lol.

I'm actually interested to see if they keep them in Omaha or move them to more of a Big Ten location like Columbus which is only about 40 miles further than Omaha. It seems like alot of mock brackets are split on this. I think they go to Columbus which frees Omaha up for Big 12 teams like KU and Oklahoma.

It's like UVA which closest is Pittsburgh but most have them in Charlotte. (188 miles Pittsburgh vs 243 Charlotte).