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Washington (CNN)The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously threw out the conviction of former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell. McDonnell, once a rising star in Republican politics, was convicted on federal corruption charges in 2014. He was found guilty of violating the law when he received, gifts, money and loans from Jonnie R. Williams, the CEO of a Virginia-based company, in exchange for official acts seen as favorable to Williams and his business.
 

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I just read the decision. I'm disgusted. Only good news is it was 8-0 on the decision.
 

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I just read the decision. I'm disgusted. Only good news is it was 8-0 on the decision.
The gov. wife was a the real problem. Mr Williams never received anything from the Gov. It was distasteful and I think his wife is the one who should serve some time. She kept her hand out and ruined a good man.
 

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Why would they throw this out???

Johnny Williams never got anything he wanted. He was denied by everybody he was given access to. There's no quid pro quo if he doesn't receive anything in return. The wife was the real problem.
 

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The gov. wife was a the real problem. Mr Williams never received anything from the Gov. It was distasteful and I think his wife is the one who should serve some time. She kept her hand out and ruined a good man.
I can't disagree. I will say as a leader in government or a business, your spouse and family is an extension of yourself interms of ethics. And should be in terms of crimes. At least it was before this ruling. The Pandora box is now open. Look for more suspicious payoffs in the future.
 

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I can't disagree. I will say as a leader in government or a business, your spouse and family is an extension of yourself interms of ethics. And should be in terms of crimes. At least it was before this ruling. The Pandora box is now open. Look for more suspicious payoffs in the future.
May turn out to be an interesting twist in terms of the Clinton foundation.
 

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I can't disagree. I will say as a leader in government or a business, your spouse and family is an extension of yourself interms of ethics. And should be in terms of crimes. At least it was before this ruling. The Pandora box is now open. Look for more suspicious payoffs in the future.
I found it troubling that the gov would allow this to go on. His only redeeming point was he didn't get any favors for anatabloc founder Williams . If he had interceded into it, and Mr Williams got something in return, he would be guilty.
 

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I can't disagree. I will say as a leader in government or a business, your spouse and family is an extension of yourself interms of ethics. And should be in terms of crimes. At least it was before this ruling. The Pandora box is now open. Look for more suspicious payoffs in the future.

We KNOW for a fact, if this had been a case against President Obama, in a situation much like this one where his wife (Michelle) had really been the problem, Airport and these others would be go bonkers about the Court's decision. Since it's Republican.....it's "ok".

Same type of reaction when Reagan said "I wasn't aware of" when Congress was investigating the Iran-Contra dealings. Again, Republicans believed the President then......but if it had been Carter......different story.....
 

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We KNOW for a fact, if this had been a case against President Obama, in a situation much like this one where his wife (Michelle) had really been the problem, Airport and these others would be go bonkers about the Court's decision. Since it's Republican.....it's "ok".

Same type of reaction when Reagan said "I wasn't aware of" when Congress was investigating the Iran-Contra dealings. Again, Republicans believed the President then......but if it had been Carter......different story.....
Good grief don't light a match around the strawman.
 

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We KNOW for a fact, if this had been a case against President Obama, in a situation much like this one where his wife (Michelle) had really been the problem, Airport and these others would be go bonkers about the Court's decision. Since it's Republican.....it's "ok".

Same type of reaction when Reagan said "I wasn't aware of" when Congress was investigating the Iran-Contra dealings. Again, Republicans believed the President then......but if it had been Carter......different story.....
I totally agree with the hypocrisy of many on the right. That isn't the point of my conversation. You just layered a different perspective onto the conversation of McConnell getting off and how that is going to set the stage for more acts in which I personally find as corruption.
 

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I totally agree with the hypocrisy of many on the right. That isn't the point of my conversation. You just layered a different perspective onto the conversation of McConnell getting off and how that is going to set the stage for more acts in which I personally find as corruption.
I'm sorry, but this was nothing more than a witch hunt against a popular conservative governor. All the government was able to show was that Williams gave the McDonnells gifts, not that he did anything for Williams or his company as a quid pro quo, and as I said in another thread he was only convicted because jurors didn't like the way the gifts sounded and because his wife is a shrew. As the court said, it can't be construed as corruption if the giver got no special benefit. The one good thing to come out of it was that the legislature has now updated the laws to scale back the limits what state officials may accept, although they left in place allowances for travel paid for by third parties.
 

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I'm sorry, but this was nothing more than a witch hunt against a popular conservative governor. All the government was able to show was that Williams gave the McDonnells gifts, not that he did anything for Williams or his company as a quid pro quo, and as I said in another thread he was only convicted because jurors didn't like the way the gifts sounded and because his wife is a shrew. As the court said, it can't be construed as corruption if the giver got no special benefit. The one good thing to come out of it was that the legislature has now updated the laws to scale back the limits what state officials may accept, although they left in place allowances for travel paid for by third parties.

But aren't you, in a way, by giving "gifts" to a politicians opening yourself up for this IF something were to go through and pass in the government that would benefit you or your company? By allowing this only because "nobody benefitted" is still opening it up for someone else to benefit and then use this case as their precedent.
 

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I'm sorry, but this was nothing more than a witch hunt against a popular conservative governor. All the government was able to show was that Williams gave the McDonnells gifts, not that he did anything for Williams or his company as a quid pro quo, and as I said in another thread he was only convicted because jurors didn't like the way the gifts sounded and because his wife is a shrew. As the court said, it can't be construed as corruption if the giver got no special benefit. The one good thing to come out of it was that the legislature has now updated the laws to scale back the limits what state officials may accept, although they left in place allowances for travel paid for by third parties.
I agree and don't agree with your points. As an elected official, improper receiving of gifts is ethically a problem. I don't believe the case against him was a witch hunt. Him and his wife simply can't accept gifts like they did without drawing attention of law enforcement. Now, the question is did these gifts violate law and did the lower courts uphold the law correctly with their judgment? I don't know enough on the specifics to answer but I trust the SC decision enough to where the answer is no.

My opinion given is along the lines if the SC ruled in the manner they did, new laws are needed in a big way.
 

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But aren't you, in a way, by giving "gifts" to a politicians opening yourself up for this IF something were to go through and pass in the government that would benefit you or your company? By allowing this only because "nobody benefitted" is still opening it up for someone else to benefit and then use this case as their precedent.
As a country built on written law, one has to break one of those laws to be guilty. In this case no law was broken by the Gov. He made arrangements for which he received no reward.

He broke no law. That he was doing something a bit unethical is no cause to imprison the man. If they pass a law that he may have broken by previous acts is no cause for arrest. The law was not on the books at the time he committed the act.
 

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As a country built on written law, one has to break one of those laws to be guilty. In this case no law was broken by the Gov. He made arrangements for which he received no reward.

He broke no law. That he was doing something a bit unethical is no cause to imprison the man. If they pass a law that he may have broken by previous acts is no cause for arrest. The law was not on the books at the time he committed the act.

My point being that laws prohibiting such gift taking should now be put in place. Doors are open to allow too many "benefits" to take place. And in the event a politician took gifts and helps legislation or executive actions to take place that be fits the giver, then it opens up critics in and skepticism.
 

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As a country built on written law, one has to break one of those laws to be guilty. In this case no law was broken by the Gov. He made arrangements for which he received no reward.

He broke no law. That he was doing something a bit unethical is no cause to imprison the man. If they pass a law that he may have broken by previous acts is no cause for arrest. The law was not on the books at the time he committed the act.
Out of curiosity.....do you work for the SEC....Maybe Auburn ?
 

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Out of curiosity.....do you work for the SEC....Maybe Auburn ?
Not No, but hell no. WVU all the way. Would like to move to M'town for the season. And, that is an insult to suggest that I would work anywhere. UMmmm, maybe if Huggs would allow me to have a place on the bench for practice and games, I would give it due consideration.
 

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Not No, but hell no. WVU all the way. Would like to move to M'town for the season. And, that is an insult to suggest that I would work anywhere. UMmmm, maybe if Huggs would allow me to have a place on the bench for practice and games, I would give it due consideration.
I think you may have missed the point. I was trying to make a joke.
 

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We KNOW for a fact, if this had been a case against President Obama, in a situation much like this one where his wife (Michelle) had really been the problem, Airport and these others would be go bonkers about the Court's decision. Since it's Republican.....it's "ok".

Same type of reaction when Reagan said "I wasn't aware of" when Congress was investigating the Iran-Contra dealings. Again, Republicans believed the President then......but if it had been Carter......different story.....

I commented on it and I said I found it disgraceful. Make sure you read my comments about the situation before you go lumping me in with your generalities. If Mr Williams had received anything that he wanted, McDonnell would be in jail and I would be OK with that. Now, I wonder if he reported all those gifts as income? If not, then he could be charged with income tax evasion but that was missed. Williams giving all that stuff away, but not getting anything in retrun, is not bribery. If it's not reported, it's income tax evasion. I'm very disappointed in his actions and I think he was very lucky. Much the way the Clintons were when Sharon McDougal refused to testify against the Clintons in the land fraud Whitewater case.
 

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I commented on it and I said I found it disgraceful. Make sure you read my comments about the situation before you go lumping me in with your generalities. If Mr Williams had received anything that he wanted, McDonnell would be in jail and I would be OK with that. Now, I wonder if he reported all those gifts as income? If not, then he could be charged with income tax evasion but that was missed. Williams giving all that stuff away, but not getting anything in retrun, is not bribery. If it's not reported, it's income tax evasion. I'm very disappointed in his actions and I think he was very lucky. Much the way the Clintons were when Sharon McDougal refused to testify against the Clintons in the land fraud Whitewater case.
Could have used countless instances with the Clintons. They both should have been thrown in jail for cleaning out the White House when they left.