BREXIT DVCEXIT NNEXIT

[NNFAN]

With all the talk in recent weeks regarding BREXIT, I thought this might be something that NN could consider. The DVC is way to deep for it's own good. Good teams that would go 6-3 or 7-2 with a solid schedule (five years ago) are now struggling to just make the playoffs at 5-4. This really hurts all of the schools with playoff seeding. I have two possible solutions... add one more team (Bartlett) and split the DVC into two divisions (with one crossover game) or...NNEXIT.

Here goes:

DVC SOUTH

Naper North
Naper Central
Neuqua Valley
Waubonsie Valley
Metea Valley

DVC NORTH

Wheaton North
Glenbard North
Bartlett
Wheaton South
Lake Park


There could be one crossover game (with a two year rotation) so all schools eventually play each other. Note rivalry schools stay in the same division. This way my Huskies future schedule could look something like this...

*Naper Central
*Waubonsie Valley
*Neuqua Valley
*Metea Valley
*Bartlett (x-over game)
*Little Sisters of the Poor
*One-armed Brother of the Poor
*Red-headed Step Child of the Poor
*Weak section 8 neighbor of the Poor

With a schedule like that you could go anywhere from 5-4 to 9-0. Key is you make the playoffs and every game is not a killer. Hopefully the backups get into the game more often and school morale stays high.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

NNF fan - I love it.

1 dVC remains a top top converence - check

2 all rivalry games remain intact - check

3 all Naperville-Aurora schools play each other every year so new rivalrys can get developed (WV - NN for example, MV-NC for example) - check

4. Plenty of non conference games so a couple of tough games Can be scheduled if teams wish and a couple of "easier" games can be scheduled (lots of schools would want to play at least one of the DVC schools to get the playoff points even if they lose to the DVC team) - check

5 possible opportunity for the DVC teams to play other local private schools in the future - Montini, Benet etc. - check

Where do we sign up to propose this!! Would be fantastic.

 

[NNFAN]

NNF fan - I love it.

1 dVC remains a top top converence - check

2 all rivalry games remain intact - check

3 all Naperville-Aurora schools play each other every year so new rivalrys can get developed (WV - NN for example, MV-NC for example) - check

4. Plenty of non conference games so a couple of tough games Can be scheduled if teams wish and a couple of "easier" games can be scheduled (lots of schools would want to play at least one of the DVC schools to get the playoff points even if they lose to the DVC team) - check

5 possible opportunity for the DVC teams to play other local private schools in the future - Montini, Benet etc. - check

Where do we sign up to propose this!! Would be fantastic.

All great points, GForrest. Still really disappointed with West Aurora, Glenbard East and West Chicago for pulling out. West Aurora has over 3,000 students... shame on them. I would also love to add the Plainfield schools. That would give us two 7-team divisions.

 

[pjjp]

I agree that the DVC is too good for its own good.

Your proposal sounds a lot like the current setup in the CCL Blue....except the crossover games would be tougher than the Blue's (with the exception of one of the Blue teams drawing Montini). Bones would suggest that the Brook is a possible addition to the DVC as well.

BTW....nice to see you return from your multi-year hibernation. The Huskies must be back.

 

[ClownBaby]

I wrote this before and I'll say it again the DVC will no longer exist in 7-10 years (maybe sooner) in its current form. GBN has already looked at leaving the conference for the Upstate 8 and the Wheaton schools are shrinking at a rate that will put both of them in 6A within the next 5 years. The disparity in the size of schools is going to be an issue very soon.

 

[NNFAN]

I agree that the DVC is too good for its own good.

Your proposal sounds a lot like the current setup in the CCL Blue....except the crossover games would be tougher than the Blue's (with the exception of one of the Blue teams drawing Montini). Bones would suggest that the Brook is a possible addition to the DVC as well.

BTW....nice to see you return from your multi-year hibernation. The Huskies must be back.

Thanks pjjp! The key is... only one crossover game so u only have five tough games max.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Thanks pjjp! The key is... only one crossover game so u only have five tough games max.

I suspect the DVC schools would find it a challenge to schedule four non-con opponents every year.

Keep in mind that if you are looking for easier non-con opponents so that more DVC schools can make the playoffs or get a better seed, those sorts of non-con opponents will not want to schedule DVC schools to begin with if they think they have a shot at going 5-4 or 6-3. That leaves either top tier teams (that you apparently don't want) or bottom feeders...and Naz already has first dibs on the latter group.

I'm liking the district concept more and more.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Tough to blame Glenbard East and West Chicago for jumping ship - but agree with you on west aurora. They really should have stayed - they have numbers and are usually pretty decent (they made the playoffs last year upon the exit of the 3 valley schools) and they should be able to compete in the DVC (old or current or future DVC). They could schedule an every year non conf against east aurora to maintain their rivalry game. But I think they out and they staying out (I'm sure they happy with where they are now - they should be able to compete for a playoff spot every year in the upstate 8 valley division

Someone mentioned Bolingbrook - that is very intriguing. Would make the conference even tougher.

Also intriguing about your additional thought on the Plainfield schools. Think you would have to have two 7 team divisions at that point? And to take it a step further maybe group by size classification such as DVC 8A and DVC 7A and possibly add the Oswego schools?...but then you are really talking about making two complete full size conferences.

Also I think there is some danger of Waubonsie Valley falling to 7A at some point in the mid term future (2019-2020-2021?). Right now I think there are 2400ish kids at WV. I could see WV down to 2200 enrollment in a few years unless they move a subdivision from NV or MV into WV. All the growth is at the north end and the south end of that part of Naperville/Aurora.

Forgetting for the moment about the Oswego schools....it might look like the following with the Plainfield schools added in?

DVC 8A
* Naperville North
* Naperville Central
* Waubonise Valley
* Neuqua Valley
* Metea Valley
* Bollingbrook
* Lake Park
Crossover game 1
Crossover game 2
Non conference game

DVC 7A
* Wheaton North
* Wheaton South
* Glenbard North
* Plainfield North (7a or 8a need to check)
*,Plainfield South (7a or 8a need to check)
* Plainfield East (7a or 8a need to check)
* Plainfield West (7a or 8a need to check)
Crossover game 1
Crossover game 2
Non conference game

Geez DVC 8a with the addition of the Brook looks as bad or worse than the current gauntlet. I would much rather be in the 7A bracket and have 2 crossover games with MV and NV every year.

I think I like your original idea the best

Maybe sub out Bartlett and slot in The Brook and you have two very tough 5 team brackets but lots of room for non conference games and intriguing crossover match ups.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

I wrote this before and I'll say it again the DVC will no longer exist in 7-10 years (maybe sooner) in its current form. GBN has already looked at leaving the conference for the Upstate 8 and the Wheaton schools are shrinking at a rate that will put both of them in 6A within the next 5 years. The disparity in the size of schools is going to be an issue very soon.

I was wondering about that. Not sure where the cutoffs are between 6A and 7A. I think it's around 2200 for 7A to 8A. Currently aren't those three schools around 2100 kids each?

GN, WWS,WN seem to be much more than holding their own against the larger schools at the present time. But you are right - at some point (toss in a few injuries) it becomes too much. When I see NV have a roster of 120 kids and WV barely able to roster 70 - the depth becomes a huge factor. To compete you would need to be playing more than 1 or 2 guys both ways and injuries make a much bigger impact to competitiveness within smaller enrollment schools.

 

[ClownBaby]

WWS, WN and GBN will be more than competitive in football even though they are smaller enrollment wise but this will be an issue in other sports. People tend to forget there are sports other then football.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

WWS, WN and GBN will be more than competitive in football even though they are smaller enrollment wise but this will be an issue in other sports. People tend to forget there are sports other then football.

What sports do you think it would have the most effect on at the Wheaton schools and GB? Just from a pure numbers standpoint - I would think it would have the greatest effect on football and then probably soccer and baseball from a general aspect

Football 22 starters ( if no one plays both ways) and need at least 22 key back ups and role players.

Soccer 11 starters and need 6 key back ups and role players. Ideally would want an 18 kid varsity roster.

Baseball 9 plus 9 role players and pitchers.

Volleyball I think is 7 and basketball 5 For starting players.

One would think (just from a numbers standpoint) that football would show the effects first with a declining enrollment. I realize WWS and WN and GN have a rich history in football and that tradition probably gets an abnormally high percentage of kids turning out for the sport versus the general school,.... But that is not the case with a lot of other programs. I think in general football would be the sport that is most effected by a declining enrollment. Of course the Wheaton schools could be the exception due to the above mentioned tradition and a potentially higher than normal turn out percentage vs total enrollment.

 

[Cross Bones]

Brenter

 

[NNFAN]

I suspect the DVC schools would find it a challenge to schedule four non-con opponents every year.

Keep in mind that if you are looking for easier non-con opponents so that more DVC schools can make the playoffs or get a better seed, those sorts of non-con opponents will not want to schedule DVC schools to begin with if they think they have a shot at going 5-4 or 6-3. That leaves either top tier teams (that you apparently don't want) or bottom feeders...and Naz already has first dibs on the latter group.

I'm liking the district concept more and more.

Why do you have to be a wet blanket with all of your common sense? Okay... the Plainfield schools can join. Bada bing, bada boom... problem solved.

 

[NNFAN]

Tough to blame Glenbard East and West Chicago for jumping ship - but agree with you on west aurora. They really should have stayed - they have numbers and are usually pretty decent (they made the playoffs last year upon the exit of the 3 valley schools) and they should be able to compete in the DVC (old or current or future DVC). They could schedule an every year non conf against east aurora to maintain their rivalry game. But I think they out and they staying out (I'm sure they happy with where they are now - they should be able to compete for a playoff spot every year in the upstate 8 valley division

Someone mentioned Bolingbrook - that is very intriguing. Would make the conference even tougher.

Also intriguing about your additional thought on the Plainfield schools. Think you would have to have two 7 team divisions at that point? And to take it a step further maybe group by size classification such as DVC 8A and DVC 7A and possibly add the Oswego schools?...but then you are really talking about making two complete full size conferences.

Also I think there is some danger of Waubonsie Valley falling to 7A at some point in the mid term future (2019-2020-2021?). Right now I think there are 2400ish kids at WV. I could see WV down to 2200 enrollment in a few years unless they move a subdivision from NV or MV into WV. All the growth is at the north end and the south end of that part of Naperville/Aurora.

Forgetting for the moment about the Oswego schools....it might look like the following with the Plainfield schools added in?

DVC 8A
* Naperville North
* Naperville Central
* Waubonise Valley
* Neuqua Valley
* Metea Valley
* Bollingbrook
* Lake Park
Crossover game 1
Crossover game 2
Non conference game

DVC 7A
* Wheaton North
* Wheaton South
* Glenbard North
* Plainfield North (7a or 8a need to check)
*,Plainfield South (7a or 8a need to check)
* Plainfield East (7a or 8a need to check)
* Plainfield West (7a or 8a need to check)
Crossover game 1
Crossover game 2
Non conference game

Geez DVC 8a with the addition of the Brook looks as bad or worse than the current gauntlet. I would much rather be in the 7A bracket and have 2 crossover games with MV and NV every year.

I think I like your original idea the best

Maybe sub out Bartlett and slot in The Brook and you have two very tough 5 team brackets but lots of room for non conference games and intriguing crossover match ups.

Keep in mind, the sole purpose of this is to have four easy wins on the schedule.

 

[godfthr53]

I suspect the DVC schools would find it a challenge to schedule four non-con opponents every year.

Keep in mind that if you are looking for easier non-con opponents so that more DVC schools can make the playoffs or get a better seed, those sorts of non-con opponents will not want to schedule DVC schools to begin with if they think they have a shot at going 5-4 or 6-3. That leaves either top tier teams (that you apparently don't want) or bottom feeders...and Naz already has first dibs on the latter group.

I'm liking the district concept more and more.

Seconds, MC has first dibs.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Seconds, MC has first dibs.

Don't think so. For the past several years, Naz has cornered the market on non-con cellar dwellers. This year is an anomaly for MC. How would you like to compare recent MC non-con opponents like Marist, Simeon, and St. Joe's Prep from Philly with the likes of Dunbar, Leo, Proviso East, Julian, etc...?

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Keep in mind, the sole purpose of this is to have four easy wins on the schedule.

Agreed.....Ahhh in a perfect world!!

I still think there would be a few teams out there that would jump at the chance to play a DVC team to "juice" their playoff points even if they lose - but yeah finding 4 teams for every DVC team would not happen. In the perfect world better to add the Plainfield schools and try and get another team or two from the upstate 8 valley.

The one thing I really like about the current DVC is having a lot of the local Naperville/Aurora schools all in the same conference now. When we moved here multiple years ago - I could not figure out why the valley schools were playing way out in Bartlett for example and not playing the schools that are right door so to speak. The schools and districts did a good job of trying to schedule non conference games between the 5 schools....but not enough for my taste!!

 

[guerinfbfan]

Why couldn't the DVC just have two 5 team conferences like the CCL? The top teams would still be eligible, no need for the auto bid right.

 

[Valley Rat]

Forget about Bartlett going anywhere. A group of people associated with BHS wanted to leave U-46 a few years ago and the district said, 'Oh yeah? Here's how much you owe us for building your school'. So, unless someone has a few million laying around... Speaking of the Hawks, it looks like they might have their own field soon.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...hamberlain-column-st-0703-20160702-story.html

 

[Cat Box]

Why couldn't the DVC just have two 5 team conferences like the CCL? The top teams would still be eligible, no need for the auto bid right.

A 5-team division is not a model for success. At least not in the CCL.