Brian Kelly on the hot seat?

[Tskware]

Since we start a Charlie Strong thread every week, when will Kelly's seat start to get warm? Blew a 17 point lead at home against Va Tech yesterday, coupled with pathetic home loss to Duke and another loss to Navy, leading to ND's 14th losing season in its history.

Truth be told, since ND lucked into the BCS game four years ago, Irish are just 31-20, which is about on par with Gerry Faust. Also, they were just 16-10 the two years before they went to the BCS where Alabama blew them out of the stadium. And yes, they did make it to the Fiesta Bowl last year, but got hammered by Ohio State exposing them as being overrated once again.

Thought Kelly did an amazing job at UC, and really thought he would be a big winner in South Bend, but just has not turned out that way.

 

[rick64]

Definitely underachieving at ND. ND just isn't the draw it used to be for big time high school football players.

 

[Chuckinden]

Look for Les at ND next year.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Geniuses have him a six year contract extension in January. Probably still paying Charlie Weiss. I bet they give him another year. They won ten and made the fiesta bowl. They were overrated, but it gives them cover to keep him around.

 

[Chuckinden]

Geniuses have him a six year contract extension in January. Probably still paying Charlie Weiss. I bet they give him another year. They won ten and made the fiesta bowl. They were overrated, but it gives them cover to keep him around.

Wow...didn't know about the extension. ND need some "devine" intervention in lots of ways.

 

[TroutBum]

Look for Les at ND next year.

I hope they get less every year!:sunglasses:

 

[Drewmagnum]

Look for Les at ND next year.

The Notre Dame AD unequivocally gave Kelly a vote of confidence last month, saying that he will
be the coach there next year. End of discussion. Les Miles is a average at best coach. Just sayin...

 

[Mike-D]

IMO, Notre Dame isn't the program it once was.

 

[Rockford]

Since Lou left in 1996, ND is 149-97 60%

Hardly elite level

 

[Deeeefense]

I think two modern trends have worked against ND. One, they use to have a huge TV coverage advantage over most everyone with NBC broadcasting all of their games. However now with all the sports networks out there just about every FBS team has all their games covered. Second ND also had a historical advantage with it's national recruiting, but now many teams recruit nationally or at least have widened their net by covering a larger regional base.

 

[football follies]

Yeah, but they're Notre Dame, don't you know...

They continue to live off of their past like several other teams do.

Knute Rockne isn't walking through that door.

 

[Kats23]

ND suffers from their past success like UK suffers from their past failures. It's the giant elephant in the room that's used as a crutch.

Outdated facilities do them no favors. If you've ever been to South Bend, that city does no favors either. Refusal to join a conference and I know I've heard the arguments but still Notre Dame is still known as a high standard academic university. Top players often time aren't going to even consider Notre Dame no matter if the rules can be bent to get them in or not.

 

[lsb34m3]

I know this may not seem relevant, but I think the downward trend of religious/catholic affiliations has hurt them. Use to if you were catholic and were a good football player you went to ND. Now there seem to be less practicing Catholics( religion in general) and those who are aren't always going to ND. They don't have that recruiting hold anymore.

 

[Xception]

I think two modern trends have worked against ND. One, they use to have a huge TV coverage advantage over most everyone with NBC broadcasting all of their games. However now with all the sports networks out there just about every FBS team has all their games covered. Second ND also had a historical advantage with it's national recruiting, but now many teams recruit nationally or at least have widened their net by covering a larger regional base.

The internet took away the ND advantage as well but you're right the proliferation of all forms of media brought teams on the same level

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

The Notre Dame AD unequivocally gave Kelly a vote of confidence last month, saying that he will
be the coach there next year. End of discussion. Les Miles is a average at best coach. Just sayin...

I agree pn Les, very seldom won a game when he didn't have a talent advantage and even rarer he won one when he didn't have a big talent edge. The only difference between him and Mark Richt is Les has a NC trophy. By all accounts both are very good men, but neither has great leadership skills.

 

[EnPassant]

I know this may not seem relevant, but I think the downward trend of religious/catholic affiliations has hurt them. Use to if you were catholic and were a good football player you went to ND. Now there seem to be less practicing Catholics( religion in general) and those who are aren't always going to ND. They don't have that recruiting hold anymore.

Lou Holtz won with NFL talent and not catholic boys.

 

[John Henry]

I am old enough to remember when Notre Dame was the TEAM. They sure fell from that high perch and I seriously doubt they ever return.

 

[KYCAT78]

I am old enough to remember when Notre Dame was the TEAM. They sure fell from that high perch and I seriously doubt they ever return.

You probably remember on every Sunday morning the ND highlight show. No other college team had a show like that in the 60s.

 

[vhcat70]

Agree with most everything said. I think the biggest issue is their refusal to join a conference due to the big NBC contract )and also due to their having the noses so high in the air). Kids want to play for conference championships. Hope ND never realizes the errors of their ways.

 

[John Henry]

You probably remember on every Sunday morning the ND highlight show. No other college team had a show like that in the 60s.

That is exactly what I was referring to. Ara Parseghian put them at the top and he became part of the "Holy Trinity" of Notre Dame football enjoying a seat right next to Knute Rockne and Frank Leahy. The Glory Days of Irish football may not be duplicated in the future unless they can bring in a Nick Saban and even then I am not sure they could recruit the best of the best. That may be an unknown.

 

[olblue]

Geniuses have him a six year contract extension in January. Probably still paying Charlie Weiss. I bet they give him another year. They won ten and made the fiesta bowl. They were overrated, but it gives them cover to keep him around.

That's not quite as bad as the Stoops extension, but it's close.

 

[Mr Schwump]

Lou Holtz won with NFL talent and not catholic boys.

Holtz won by cheating. He put NC St, Arkansas, Minnesota, ND, South Carolina on some type of probation. The guy ESPN made into something special was a thug.

 

[JDHoss]

Holtz won by cheating. He put NC St, Arkansas, Minnesota, ND, South Carolina on some type of probation. The guy ESPN made into something special was a thug.

Yeah, never got the media fascination with Granny Holtz. The guy is as crooked as they come, always operating solidly in the "grey area" and always skipping town just a step or two ahead of the NCAA.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I hope Kelly stays there forever. He won't ever win jack there and I want ND to continue to be IU basketball like and live in the past while being irrelevant in the present and future.

 

[JDHoss]

That's not quite as bad as the Stoops extension, but it's close.

"Kelly signed a new deal, which lasts until 2021, earlier this year. Notre Dame, as a private institution, doesn’t make public its coaching contracts, but Kelly was believed to have been making more than $4 million under his last deal. That means that the Irish could have to pay Kelly $20 million (or more) if they were to fire him."

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/is-brian-kelly-on-the-hot-seat-at-notre-dame-101516

 

[Beatle Bum]

IMO, Notre Dame isn't the program it once was.

Lol. That is going out on a limb!

 

[Mike-D]

Lol. That is going out on a limb!

Just didn't wanna ruffle any feathers with some of you people that like to complain about anything said over here. [winking]

 

[Beatle Bum]

Just didn't wanna ruffle any feathers with some of you people that like to complain about anything said over here. [winking]

No problem. Stupid stuff is posted here all the time. No need to be afraid of the norm on this board.

 

[ok-cats-computer]

"Kelly signed a new deal, which lasts until 2021, earlier this year. Notre Dame, as a private institution, doesn’t make public its coaching contracts, but Kelly was believed to have been making more than $4 million under his last deal. That means that the Irish could have to pay Kelly $20 million (or more) if they were to fire him."

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/is-brian-kelly-on-the-hot-seat-at-notre-dame-101516

Ouch! ND has to hope that Kelly can turn it around next season.

 

[football follies]

ND suffers from their past success like UK suffers from their past failures. It's the giant elephant in the room that's used as a crutch.

Outdated facilities do them no favors. If you've ever been to South Bend, that city does no favors either. Refusal to join a conference and I know I've heard the arguments but still Notre Dame is still known as a high standard academic university. Top players often time aren't going to even consider Notre Dame no matter if the rules can be bent to get them in or not.

ND typically has top 15 classes.

 

[Kats23]

ND typically has top 15 classes.

Been proven for years Notre Dame's rankings have been inflated because of the their name.

 

[TuckyFB]

Does a bear **** in the woods?

You CAN'T go 4-7 at Notre Dame.

 

[MudererofCrows]

In his last 29 games Brian Kelly has the same record as Charlie Weiss did in his final 29 games.

BK needs a big year next season or that ship is sinking fast.

 

[TuckyFB]

In his last 29 games Brian Kelly has the same record as Charlie Weiss did in his final 29 games.

BK needs a big year next season or that ship is sinking fast.

and they shipped Santa Claus out instantly and to my knowledge are still paying him off.

 

[MudererofCrows]

and they shipped Santa Claus out instantly and to my knowledge are still paying him off.

They just extended him and gave him a raise last year I believe. I'm pretty sure Fat Chuck came off the books this year.

 

[KYCAT78]

That is exactly what I was referring to. Ara Parseghian put them at the top and he became part of the "Holy Trinity" of Notre Dame football enjoying a seat right next to Knute Rockne and Frank Leahy. The Glory Days of Irish football may not be duplicated in the future unless they can bring in a Nick Saban and even then I am not sure they could recruit the best of the best. That may be an unknown.

I live here in Alabama and I did not think Bear Bryant could ever be replaced in the hearts and minds of Alabama fans, but, Nick Saban has done it. Good luck to ND and anybody else finding another Nick Saban.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

Brian Kelly has more wins than Nick Saban. I know Saban took a little pro break, but still.

I think ND is proving to be more and more difficult every year.

ND used to be able to haul in talent because they were one of a handful of teams that everyone around the nation would hear about, read about, and see on TV. That is just not the case anymore.

Abiding by strict rules in South Bend Indiana just isn't attractive to a lot of talent that has plenty of other options.

Irish can't pitch being the TV time, being a media darling, or pros anymore like they used to because everybody can pitch those things now.

Hell North Dakota State gets air time and now has a top draft pick who's shaping up to be a stud QB for about 15 years.

 

[football follies]

Brian Kelly has done less with more. His clock is ticking.

If ND manages to beat USC, which I doubt, will they accept a bowl bid at 5-7?

 

[ekywildcat_rivals26726]

The better players are from the South, who wants to go to South Bend and freeze your tail off?

 

[CondorCat]

I know this may not seem relevant, but I think the downward trend of religious/catholic affiliations has hurt them. Use to if you were catholic and were a good football player you went to ND. Now there seem to be less practicing Catholics( religion in general) and those who are aren't always going to ND. They don't have that recruiting hold anymore.

Very true. I remember reading that UK's Bear Bryant recruited Louisville "golden boy" and future Heisman winner Paul Hornung. "He was leaning toward Kentucky, but when Notre Dame came calling, Mrs. Hornung, a devout Catholic, urged Paul to accept their scholarship."