Brown vs. previous staff comparison so far

[Buckaineer]

We've seen all the garbage posted for years about the previous staff, but when you get down to reality they had the second most wins under a HC in WVU history. ACTUAL wins, not "percentages" or some other trumped up bunk.

First year, Holgorsen won 10 games. At this point in the season with 1 game left in the regular season, Holgorsen had 8 wins and 3 losses--one of those against #2 LSU. He had a win over #23 Cincinnati @ Cincy.

In his second season, the first for WVU in the BIG 12 conference, Holgorsen won 7 games, at this point Holgorsen had 6 wins and 5 losses. The 5 losses included a loss to 13 Oklahoma, but wins against #25 Baylor and #11 Texas @ Texas.

In Holgorsen's final season (8-4), at this point in the season WVU was 8-2. The 8 wins included wins @#25 Texas Tech and @ #15 Texas.

So far in Brown's first season, he has 4 wins and 7 losses at this point. The 7 losses include a loss to #11 Texas, @ #5 OU, @ #12 Baylor and #22 OK State.

 

[monsemplib]

Go away troll.

 

[Buckaineer]

If you look at Holgorsen's one losing season-2013 (4-8) the most similar so far to Brown's entire coaching history at WVU, Holgorsen was also 4-7 at this point in the season--with one regular season loss to go.

His losses included @#16 Oklahoma, #11 Oklahoma State, @#17 Baylor, and #16 Texas Tech.

 

[doneagain]

If you look at Holgorsen's one losing season-2013 (4-8) the most similar so far to Brown's entire coaching history at WVU, Holgorsen was also 4-7 at this point in the season--with one regular season loss to go.

His losses included @#16 Oklahoma, #11 Oklahoma State, @#17 Baylor, and #16 Texas Tech.

Congratulations?

 

[Buckaineer]

A more in depth look at the seasons (info from Sports Reference):

2013 WVU (Holgorsen)

Points For: 316

Points/G: 26.3 (79th of 125)

Points Against: 400

Opp Pts/G: 33.3 (100th of 125)

And so far under Brown (2019):

Points For: 227

Points/G: 20.6 (112th of 130)

Points Against: 329

Opp Pts/G: 29.9 (83rd of 130)

--keep in mind Brown's season still has a game to go, whereas Holgorsen's records were for the entire season.

 

[Buckaineer]

Congratulations?

Not sure what you are congratulating?

Obviously Brown is not off to a very good start, has WVU performing a little better defensively than Holgorsen's only losing season, and much worse offensively than that season. Much more poorly than either Holgorsen's first or last season, or even the previous staffs first season in the BIG 12.

One game to go, we'll see if Brown can get a victory on the road against a decent and well coached TCU.

 

[Buckaineer]

Here are Holgorsen's 2018 results vs. Brown's 2019 results:

DH 2018
Points For: 483

Points/G: 40.2 (10th of 130)

Points Against: 326

NB 2019 (1 game to go)

Points For: 227

Points/G: 20.6 (112th of 130)

Points Against: 329

Opp Pts/G: 29.9 (83rd of 130)

So we see a massive drop off in offensive production, while the defense is very similar to last years (which clearly cost two or three games last year).

 

[WVUFanForever]

Go away ****...you have no creditably and nobody wants you here....go take your Brown hate somewhere else....we are ALL tired of your ********.

 

[muraca777]

I didnt realize both coaches first years were in the big east and with Tavon Austin Stedman Bailey Geno Smith among others. Gee I guess I missed all those guys coming back and is playing uconn and Rutgers this year. And first year in the big 12 after the first couple.games dana did how good the rest of the way winning games, keeping his team together etc? Before getting waxed by Syracuse with all the nfl players he had at his disposal.

And here I been seeing Houston win MAD football games,.some nfl guys, talked about alot as a.power 5 additions yet another coach did so well there he got a job at one of the biggest schools in the country, while others used them as a stepping stone showed promise,.Dana backed up to there,.and with a dark horse heisman QB and what somebody, either bucky or one.of our Texas buddies said was a team with much talent at wr, that they wouldnt even leg Marcus Simms transfer there if he wanted to, and he IMMEDIATELY has turned the program into a laughing stock. Go jerk off your goat some more *******, you're an embarrassment

 

[Buckaineer]

Scores vs. comparable or same teams 2018-2019.


(2018-P5 win) 9/1 vs. Tennessee (5-7) W 40 14 @ Charlotte, NC
(2019-P5 win) Sat, Sep 14 vs NC State W 44-27
(2018-fcs) 9/8 vs. Youngstown State (non-IA) W 52 17
(2019-fcs win) Sat, Aug 31 vs James Madison W 20-13
(2018) 9/22 vs. *Kansas State (5-7) W 35 6
(2019) Sat, Nov 16 @ 24 Kansas State W 24-20
(2018) 9/29 @ *Texas Tech (5-7) W 42 34
(2019) Sat, Nov 9 vs Texas Tech L 38-17
(2018) 10/6 vs. *Kansas (3-9) W 38 22
(2019) Sat, Sep 21 @ Kansas W 29-24
(2018) 10/13 @ *Iowa State (8-5) L 14 30
(2019) Sat, Oct 12 vs Iowa State L 38-14
(2018) 10/25 vs. *Baylor (7-6) W 58 14
(2019) Thu, Oct 31 @ 12 Baylor L17-14
(2018) 11/3 @ *Texas (10-4) W 42 41
(2019) Sat, Oct 5 vs 11 Texas L 42-31
(2018) 11/17 @ *Oklahoma State (7-6) L 41 45
(2019) Sat, Nov 23 vs 21 Oklahoma State L 20-13
(2018) 11/23 vs. *Oklahoma (12-2) L 56 59
(2019) Sat, Oct 19 @ 5 Oklahoma L 52-14



(2018-P5 CXL) NC State
(2019-P5 loss) Sat, Sep 7 @ Missouri L 38-7

So you can see the dropoff in play between the years has been pretty dramatic.
vs. an fcs WVU was 32 pts worse on offense, 4 pts only better on defense in 2019.

In the losses between the two years, WVU gave up 7 pts more in 2018 to OU, but scored 42 pts less in 2019.

Losses to OK State--WVU gave up much more in 2018--but they scored 28 more and only lost by 4 as compared to a 7 pt. loss in 2019.

In the losses to Iowa State, WVU scored the same both years, but gave up 8 more points in 2019.

 

[OlegeezEER]

We've seen all the garbage posted for years about the previous staff, but when you get down to reality they had the second most wins under a HC in WVU history. ACTUAL wins, not "percentages" or some other trumped up bunk.

First year, Holgorsen won 10 games. At this point in the season with 1 game left in the regular season, Holgorsen had 8 wins and 3 losses--one of those against #2 LSU. He had a win over #23 Cincinnati @ Cincy.

In his second season, the first for WVU in the BIG 12 conference, Holgorsen won 7 games, at this point Holgorsen had 6 wins and 5 losses. The 5 losses included a loss to 13 Oklahoma, but wins against #25 Baylor and #11 Texas @ Texas.

In Holgorsen's final season (8-4), at this point in the season WVU was 8-2. The 8 wins included wins @#25 Texas Tech and @ #15 Texas.

So far in Brown's first season, he has 4 wins and 7 losses at this point. The 7 losses include a loss to #11 Texas, @ #5 OU, @ #12 Baylor and #22 OK State.

When Brown walked into the Wvu job he didn't inherit a pro QB like Holgorsen did. He didn't inherit Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey. He wasn't playing in the Big East. The last Wvu coach that started his career with a losing record assembled teams that beat An Sec champion in year 5 and crushed Oklahoma in year 7. Holgorsens teams were squeaking out a 1 point win against a 6-6 pac 12 team in year 5 and getting squashed by 6-6 Utah team in year 7. If were 4-7 at this point in year 3 then come back and Talk.

 

[Buckaineer]

When Brown walked into the Wvu job he didn't inherit a pro QB like Holgorsen did. He didn't inherit Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey. He wasn't playing in the Big East. The last Wvu coach that started his career with a losing record assembled teams that beat An Sec champion in year 5 and crushed Oklahoma in year 7. Holgorsens teams were squeaking out a 1 point win against a 6-6 pac 12 team in year 5 and getting squashed by 6-6 Utah team in year 7. If were 4-7 at this point in year 3 then come back and Talk.

Brown brought in his own QBs, much like Holgorsen did many of the years he was at WVU. He had plenty of quality players to win lots of games (as evidenced by the games he was able to win), but he chased off numerous starters before a down was played and poorly evaluated much of what he had until it was to late. Taking the top RB corps in the BIG 12 returning, and turning it into the worst in the BIG 12 and one of the 3 worst in the nation really points out the poor coaching job more than anything else.

Had Doege started, its probable that WVUs record would be much better, but Brown obviously waited until he had thrown the season to make a switch--must not believe he could land another good QB over the next couple of years? A mistake that likely cost WVU a couple of games (although since they were blown out in so many its really hard to say whether it would have mattered or not).

Blowing a lead at home to OK State really cost WVUs season this year--guarantees a losing season.

 

[sg44gold]

Enjoy the straight jacket and the padded room Bucky.

You are certifiably ducking INSANE.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[OlegeezEER]

Brown brought in his own QBs, much like Holgorsen did many of the years he was at WVU. He had plenty of quality players to win lots of games (as evidenced by the games he was able to win), but he chased off numerous starters before a down was played and poorly evaluated much of what he had until it was to late. Taking the top RB corps in the BIG 12 returning, and turning it into the worst in the BIG 12 and one of the 3 worst in the nation really points out the poor coaching job more than anything else.

Had Doege started, its probable that WVUs record would be much better, but Brown obviously waited until he had thrown the season to make a switch--must not believe he could land another good QB over the next couple of years? A mistake that likely cost WVU a couple of games (although since they were blown out in so many its really hard to say whether it would have mattered or not).

Blowing a lead at home to OK State really cost WVUs season this year--guarantees a losing season.

Brown brought in his own QB but they weren't 2nd round draft picks which holgorsen inherited. Brown didn't run off anyone. When are you going to stop telling this lie. Wvu only had a 3 point lead against Oklahoma state so it wasn't like blowing a 17 point lead to them last year. BTW that Oklahoma state team finished the season 6-6 last year.

 

[WVUALLEN]

If you look at Holgorsen's one losing season-2013 (4-8) the most similar so far to Brown's entire coaching history at WVU, Holgorsen was also 4-7 at this point in the season--with one regular season loss to go.

His losses included @#16 Oklahoma, #11 Oklahoma State, @#17 Baylor, and #16 Texas Tech.

Hey Dumbass. You can't even get your facts right. WVU beat #11 Oklahoma State in Morgantown 2013.

Wins
7-4 FCS William & Mary 24-17 (was losing 17-7 at the half and scored go ahead TD at 3:02 mark. Squeezed one out his *** there.)

0-12 Georgia State

#11 rk 11-2 OSU

4-8 TCU (30-27 OT)


2013 losses
6-6 Maryland (37-0)
10-2 Oklahoma
11-1 Baylor (gave up 73 points in a 73-42 loss!!!!)
7-5 Texas Tech
7-5 KSU
8-4 Texas
3-9 Kansas (a team that had 28 straight conference losses)
3-9 Iowa State team (after blowing a 38-14 lead in 4th Q)

 

[WVUALLEN]

It's obvious Buckaineer can't read

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/buckaineer-please-post-here.217283/

 

[Buckaineer]

Brown brought in his own QB but they weren't 2nd round draft picks which holgorsen inherited. Brown didn't run off anyone. When are you going to stop telling this lie. Wvu only had a 3 point lead against Oklahoma state so it wasn't like blowing a 17 point lead to them last year. BTW that Oklahoma state team finished the season 6-6 last year.

Brown blew a lead against Ok State AT HOME. Its exactly the same as losing to them on the road after having a lead. No difference whatsoever. The only difference is your response to those losses. Brown had a lead and blew it, and now all you clowns who spouted off about DH losing last year don't want to admit the same exact thing happened to Brown--BECAUSE OK STATE IS A GOOD TEAM--just as I stated.
They were 6-6 because they play in the BIG 12 and play everyone in the conference, there a lots of good teams in the conference and someone wins! Again, just like I stated. You can see it this year too with all the upsets in conference, every year its the same. And Brown did no better. But he has done much worse in numerous other games--which you of course deny and ignore.

Funny how you ignore Brown was blown out by an unranked Texas Tech at home this year, while DH won against a RANKED Texas Tech in Lubbock last year by double digits too.

Brown ran off over 20 players from WVU. All the players that left were documented in news articles and right here on this board. Stop lying.

 

[Buckaineer]

Hey Dumbass. You can't even get your facts right. WVU beat #11 Oklahoma State in Morgantown 2013.

Wins
7-4 FCS William & Mary 24-17 (was losing 17-7 at the half and scored go ahead TD at 3:02 mark. Squeezed one out his *** there.)

0-12 Georgia State

#11 rk 11-2 OSU

4-8 TCU (30-27 OT)


2013 losses
6-6 Maryland (37-0)
10-2 Oklahoma
11-1 Baylor (gave up 73 points in a 73-42 loss!!!!)
7-5 Texas Tech
7-5 KSU
8-4 Texas
3-9 Kansas (a team that had 28 straight conference losses)
3-9 Iowa State team (after blowing a 38-14 lead in 4th Q)

The rankings posted by myself were from Sports Reference--I'm assuming they used end of season rankings stupid.

 

[doneagain]

Not sure what you are congratulating?

Obviously Brown is not off to a very good start, has WVU performing a little better defensively than Holgorsen's only losing season, and much worse offensively than that season. Much more poorly than either Holgorsen's first or last season, or even the previous staffs first season in the BIG 12.

One game to go, we'll see if Brown can get a victory on the road against a decent and well coached TCU.

You clearly want Brown and WVU to fail, you are posting information you have slanted into your narrative, so I am congratulating you on your success.

I don’t get anyone who claims to be a fan of a team but tries to tear them down at every turn. Or, that openly cheers for failure of a school they claim to support.

So my question to you is, what do you hope to accomplish with this dogmatic Anti-Brown rhetoric you keep spitting out? Is your goal to get him fired? To help him fail? What is your end game - your goal, if you will - in the constant bashing of Brown?

 

[Buckaineer]

You clearly want Brown and WVU to fail, you are posting information you have slanted into your narrative, so I am congratulating you on your success.

I don’t get anyone who claims to be a fan of a team but tries to tear them down at every turn. Or, that openly cheers for failure of a school they claim to support.

So my question to you is, what do you hope to accomplish with this dogmatic Anti-Brown rhetoric you keep spitting out? Is your goal to get him fired? To help him fail? What is your end game - your goal, if you will - in the constant bashing of Brown?

Lol, someone that posted negative made up b.s. about the previous winning staff for over EIGHT YEARS is now claiming FACTS about the current staff are
"slanted into my narrative" and whining that I'm posting the truth?--LOL

I am posting facts about Brown and his performance because its not good. As a WVU fan I want better for the WVU football program.

You were upset about a winning coach because you had an agenda against him no matter how well he did--helped chase him off with your libelous, incessant trolling and venomous hate, and now you don't want anyone talking about the current losing coach after you and others claimed for years "anyone can step in and immediately do better" and blasted anyone who dared try to clear up the facts of success of that coach and his staff?

WVU fans have a right (remember you claimed the same right for EIGHT plus years even though that coach and staff were winning the second most games in WVU history) to discuss a coach that isn't getting the job done. The people paying the bills will decide what to do if the current results continue.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Brown blew a lead against Ok State AT HOME. Its exactly the same as losing to them on the road after having a lead. No difference whatsoever. The only difference is your response to those losses. Brown had a lead and blew it, and now all you clowns who spouted off about DH losing last year don't want to admit the same exact thing happened to Brown--BECAUSE OK STATE IS A GOOD TEAM--just as I stated.
They were 6-6 because they play in the BIG 12 and play everyone in the conference, there a lots of good teams in the conference and someone wins! Again, just like I stated. You can see it this year too with all the upsets in conference, every year its the same. And Brown did no better. But he has done much worse in numerous other games--which you of course deny and ignore.

Funny how you ignore Brown was blown out by an unranked Texas Tech at home this year, while DH won against a RANKED Texas Tech in Lubbock last year by double digits too.

Brown ran off over 20 players from WVU. All the players that left were documented in news articles and right here on this board. Stop lying.

Link your story of 20 players...that were worth a crap.

#25 at the time Texas Tech 34 WVU 42? Guess you can't add or subtract. This was after blowing a 25 point lead. They hung on to win against 3rd string QB and end of the season 5-7 TTU team.

Against OSU Browns lead was 1 point. Holgs lead was 17. Both losses. It doesn't matter how much they still blew leads.

Sure Brown has done worse with much less. But your comparison of games and what happened are so far off it makes everyone wonder if the stem of your brain is actually connected.

Hope you're enjoying the attention you get. Because that is the only reason you're doing this Pride304.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The rankings posted by myself were from Sports Reference--I'm assuming they used end of season rankings stupid.

It's obvious you understand nothing. You had #11 Oklahoma State as a loss in 2013. Your so stupid you didn't even realize that was a win in 2013. OSU was #11 at the time of said WIN not a loss as you stated.

 

[Buckaineer]

WVU currently 79 in defense
WVU currently 118 out of 130 offense

So the defense appears to be playing ok with the talented players DH left for Brown,

But the offense is very poor under Brown and wont win many BIG 12 games.

 

[muraca777]

Compare games against comparable teams, in DIFFERENT years. Theres not a person. With a functioning brain that doesnt mention what this team lost to graduation, or flunking or cheating their way out of school, especially offense but both sides. And how great did Dana do against Uconn who is about to not even have a program, vs. All other WVU coaches. He literally was like Ttent Dilfer with his Ravens superbowl defense, and you're trying to say he was better than Dan Marino cause he won more superbowls. Then his talent he was given left and he wet the bed, ran back a competition level, and capped his pants as he runs a winning program into an embarrassment across the country.

Bucky, you clearly havent gotten over yuh our loss of Jeffery Epstein, get over it, man up, and get your own young boys, quit misdirecting your cluelessness Sounds like you need another weekend getaway on pedaphile island little lady

 

[SeronimusPratt]

I read this thread to see Cockintherear get ripped.

When Brown has them winning games, this meat riding mama’s boy wont be anywhere around. He spends all his time on this site and Dominos will fire his ***

 

[Buckaineer]

Correction on Defensive stats--in 2019 WVU is currently ranked 79th of 130 teams in total defense (from NCAA)

2019 West Virginia--Total Defense stats (rank 79)
Games 11-- opp tot yds. 4495 -- Opp tot yds/play 5.60
Opp off TD 39 --Opp total ypg 408.6

Team just ahead of WVU under Brown in defense: Illinois (11th B10), Team just behind: OK State--which just came from behind to beat WVU and held WVU to 13 pts.

and correction on offensive stats for 2019--WVU is currently 118 not 115 out of 130 teams

2019 West Virginia--Total Offensive stats (rank 118)
Games 11 -- TOT YDS 3619 -- YDS/PLAY 4.98-- OFF TDs 26 --YPG 329.0

Team just ahead of WVU under Brown in offense: UTEP, Team just behind: Texas State

Defensively WVU is ahead of only OK State, Texas and Texas Tech in the BIG12, all of which defeated WVU this season--UT and Tech by multiple scores.

Offensively WVU is ranked dead last in the BIG 12 for 2019 by a wide margin.

 

[muraca777]

We could lose our entire roster, borrow Martinsburg high school's defense, play Illinois' schedule, and have the 39th ranked defense nationally. Our current defense, if healthy against that schedule, is top 20. But you play who you schedule. Right minnesota?

 

[Buckaineer]

Brown's rushing offense may be the worst ever at WVU.

Currently (according to the NCAA, not me) ranked 129 out of 130 teams. Only Akron is worse.

Holgorsen's worst rushing attack while he coached WVU--was ranked 88th of then 120 teams in FBS in rushing YPG. This was his first year--with B.S.s recruits as it would be described by some here, if it had been any other coaches results.

 

[Buckaineer]

Passing YPG Brown is a little better, currently at #41 in the FBS for 2019 with 1 game to go.

Holgorsen had two seasons worse--#43 (full season 15-16) and #51 (full season 16-17). But Holgorsen also coached WVU to one top 3 season ((18-19), two top 8 seasons( 11-12 and 14-15), two top 15 seasons (17-18 #13 and 12-13 # 14). In 13-14 Holgorsen coached WVU to the #31 most PYG in FBS.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Its funny that you do all this 'research' and waste all your time posting this drivel when ZERO percent of the people here care what you have to say or think.

You've earned it...now wear it.

 

[Buckaineer]

SPECIAL TEAMS

Some WVU "fans" railed against Holgorsen's special teams--even forcing the ouster of one coach. A comparison look at Brown's "special teams" paints a bleak outlook in some categories such as FG conversion % (Source: TEAM RANKINGS).


BROWN fg conversion % national rank
19-20: #117 out of #130

HOLGORSEN fg conversion % national rank
18-19 #36
17-18 #72
16-17 #95
15-16 #56
14-15 #40
13-14 #58
12-13 #109
11-12 #46

Really shows the hypocrisy of some "fans" when they are celebrating the 2019 standings but railed against Holgorsen's results for years on end.

 

[Wvu Eers28]

How has Holgerson done at Houston? How has Gibby done at nc st?

 

[Buckaineer]

How has Holgerson done at Houston? How has Gibby done at nc st?

What does any of this have to do with how they did at WVU?

The only thing that matters to WVU fans.

 

[JoePaEer]

You guys can bash bucky all you want, all day every day, but he is bringing up some valid points.

We all want Brown to succeed if we truly love our program, but he is not above criticism.

And frankly, there IS a lot to criticize this season, esp on offense which is historically bad running the football. This cannot be overlooked or explained away, as HCNB inherited a decent stable of running backs and 2 excellent linemen.

I for one was surprised to see our defense is not really all that much better statistically (assuming his stats are accurate) than last year's because our D does look a lot better to the eye. At least my eye.

Brown gets a mulligan for this year. Transitions are often messy (but then we should be giving Holgy some credit for a positive transition year from Stew), but if our O doesn't improve significantly next year we may be in trouble.

He seems to have found a QB that can make a difference, but the running game must improve dramatically to be successful int his league. Scoring13-20 points will NOT get it done in this league or any other P5 league now that SEC offenses have joined the 21st Century.

Sooo...the question remains. WHY is our running game so much worse than last years running game?

Even when we inserted a capable QB which made the passing attack better, we still can't run the ball.

Why?

And will it be any better next year when we loss our 2 best linemen?

These are questions that must be answered this offseason.

 

[OlegeezEER]

You guys can bash bucky all you want, all day every day, but he is bringing up some valid points.


Brown gets a mulligan for this year.

The logic in this post gets a mulligan

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

You guys can bash bucky all you want, all day every day, but he is bringing up some valid points.

We all want Brown to succeed if we truly love our program, but he is not above criticism.

And frankly, there IS a lot to criticize this season, esp on offense which is historically bad running the football. This cannot be overlooked or explained away, as HCNB inherited a decent stable of running backs and 2 excellent linemen.

I for one was surprised to see our defense is not really all that much better statistically (assuming his stats are accurate) than last year's because our D does look a lot better to the eye. At least my eye.

Brown gets a mulligan for this year. Transitions are often messy (but then we should be giving Holgy some credit for a positive transition year from Stew), but if our O doesn't improve significantly next year we may be in trouble.

He seems to have found a QB that can make a difference, but the running game must improve dramatically to be successful int his league. Scoring13-20 points will NOT get it done in this league or any other P5 league now that SEC offenses have joined the 21st Century.

Sooo...the question remains. WHY is our running game so much worse than last years running game?

Even when we inserted a capable QB which made the passing attack better, we still can't run the ball.

Why?

And will it be any better next year when we loss our 2 best linemen?

These are questions that must be answered this offseason.

Dana's entire scheme was based on using the pass to open up the run.
He wasn't afraid to abandon the run for the pass

This ultimately did lead to scoring but put defenses in bad positions.

Neal Brown wants the point of attack near the LOS but the OLine isn't there.
His playcalling protects the defense a lot more than Dana.

Once Neal Brown can get an OLine he can play the style he wants and score while protecting his defense.

 

[OlegeezEER]

Dana's entire scheme was based on using the pass to open up the run.
He wasn't afraid to abandon the run for the pass

This ultimately did lead to scoring but put defenses in bad positions.

Neal Brown wants the point of attack near the LOS but the OLine isn't there.
His playcalling protects the defense a lot more than Dana.

Once Neal Brown can get an OLine he can play the style he wants and score while protecting his defense.

There are many flaws in his thinking. We might have 2 good lineman but you need to have 4-5 to have an effective unit. Plus no depth which hurts. If you don't have a good line your running game suffers. RB is one of the deeper spots of wvu's team but none of the backs are really explosive and that's what you need with the current state of this line. Comparing the Holgorsen transition from Stew was illogical. Holgorsen played his 1st season in the Big East and had a pro qb and 2 NFL receivers. Brown inherited no proven QB and a bunch of Freshman backing up Freshman.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

There are many flaws in his thinking. We might have 2 good lineman but you need to have 4-5 to have an effective unit. Plus no depth which hurts. If you don't have a good line your running game suffers. RB is one of the deeper spots of wvu's team but none of the backs are really explosive and that's what you need with the current state of this line. Comparing the Holgorsen transition from Stew was illogical. Holgorsen played his 1st season in the Big East and had a pro qb and 2 NFL receivers. Brown inherited no proven QB and a bunch of Freshman backing up Freshman.

Especially since the majority of your runs have been to the perimeter.

It is a work in progress.
Just as long as you see a team that wants to fight the coach is doing his job even if he goes 0-12.
Sooner or later those turn to wins.

 

[MikeRafone]

Do any of you remember the way he howled about Luck hiring Holgs before he got the boot under his "HankHill" alias? Now he loves Dana, the supposed drunken deviant that was taking St. Stew's job. Odd.

He hasn't been the same since he threw that Rod.