Brown's offensive numbers
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These stats may be more telling:
WVU-BROWN 2019: Total points 247 wins 5
WVU-HOLGORSEN 2018: Total points 483 wins 8
games scoring 20 points or less:
WVU-BROWN 2019:
Only 2 wins out of all of that.
This year in regulation (won't include EKU which gave up 59 to MU)
13 points managed against OK State in a loss. TULSA put up the same number of TDs as WVU against OK State
14 pts in regulation to tie Baylor to get into OT. Its great WVU won but not likely to always be the result.
WVU-BROWN 2019: Total points 247 wins 5
WVU-HOLGORSEN 2018: Total points 483 wins 8
games scoring 20 points or less:
WVU-BROWN 2019:
1 | 31-Aug | vs. | James Madison (non-IA) | W | 20 | 13 |
2 | 7-Sep | @ | Missouri (6-6) | L | 7 | 38 |
3 | 12-Oct | vs. | *Iowa State (7-6) | L | 14 | 38 |
4 | 19-Oct | @ | *Oklahoma (12-2) | L | 14 | 52 |
5 | 31-Oct | @ | *Baylor (11-3) | L | 14 | 17 |
6 | 9-Nov | vs. | *Texas Tech (4-8) | L | 17 | 38 |
7 | 23-Nov | vs. | *Oklahoma State (8-5) | L | 13 | 20 |
8 | 29-Nov | @ | *Texas Christian (5-7) | W | 20 | 17 |
Only 2 wins out of all of that.
This year in regulation (won't include EKU which gave up 59 to MU)
13 points managed against OK State in a loss. TULSA put up the same number of TDs as WVU against OK State
14 pts in regulation to tie Baylor to get into OT. Its great WVU won but not likely to always be the result.
Because I'm a WVU fan and want WVU to be as successful as possible.
Why don't you start dealing with REALITY.
I like that trend. It's nice having a defense. It gets boring when every game is 41-35. Scoring is supposed to be hard. When it is, the little things matter more. And the big plays, when they do eventually come, mean more and are more fun and interesting.
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Ban this troll clown.
Thing is. It has nothing to do with you. If you wanted WVU to have success you would back the coaching staff in their process of building. Give the guy 4 years and STFU. Your Houston guy did nothing in 8 years.
If you wanted Wvu to be successful you should have been a critic of Lyons in 2015. He should have fired Holgorsen then. He set the program back 5 years by letting Dana stay.
Holgorsen was never the problem for WVU. The defense he had to work with was a huge problem. The administration once again bowed to pressure from the Monday morning QBs and coaches who basically demanded people with ties to WV control the defense and the results were no matter how many points Holgorsen's offenses manufactured, many times the D would immediately give up scores.
We see how effective getting rid of Holgorsen has been, WVU isn't even an also ran--just a middle to lower level team. Went from on the verge of playing for a BIG 12 title to losing in a heartbeat.
Lyons should have gone out and secured a top notch D coordinator and WVU would be top notch.
Now, Lyons is going to have to get a top notch O coordinator to work with the defense at hand. How many games do any of you think WVU will win scoring 14 pts or less in regulation?
Perhaps Holgorsen should have learned recruiting and not snorting. Holgorsen left on his own. When will you get that through your thick skull dill weed.
9 times in 8 seasons under Dana WVU had under 350. I bet about 6 of those were during the Millard season.
Jed is just trying to make excuses for bad offense. He and Woof have a ball seeing who can be the biggest homer.
He has won at the G5 level and is winning at the P5 level but nothing in his bio screams great offensive mind.
Jed is just trying to make excuses for bad offense. He and Woof have a ball seeing who can be the biggest homer.
He has won at the G5 level and is winning at the P5 level but nothing in his bio screams great offensive mind.
Its truly sad that some are so determined to alter and deny reality because they just don't want to accept it.
If you want to lie to yourself its one thing, but thinking you get to lie and attack other people who believe simple basic facts is wrong and moronic. Problem in the entire nation now coming from the white house and drips down to this message board. Its worse than pathetic.
Brown's record is what it is. Talking about it is not wrong, attacking people for doing so is.
If you want to lie to yourself its one thing, but thinking you get to lie and attack other people who believe simple basic facts is wrong and moronic. Problem in the entire nation now coming from the white house and drips down to this message board. Its worse than pathetic.
Brown's record is what it is. Talking about it is not wrong, attacking people for doing so is.
Not to turn this philosophical...
But reality is determined by the individual. Not everyone lives the same existence.
You are the one who wants everyone to accept your opinion on things. You continue to push it on this message board all the time.
According to what I see....You are the one who cannot handle the fact that no one believes what you say.
Mainly because Dana was given a shot and failed.
Now Neal Brown is being given a shot.
Talking about not being able to think properly .
Your opinion of Neal Brown is already determined. You don't think he is as good as Dana and no matter what happens you will continue to think that way.
I am not a fan of Trump. But it is because of his actions. My opinion of him was determined after the election and not before.
You are upset because your BF Dana left. Now you are attempting to prove how wrong everyone was about Dana.
Thing is Dana wasn't cutting it. People didn't want to settle for being a good but not great football team.
But reality is determined by the individual. Not everyone lives the same existence.
You are the one who wants everyone to accept your opinion on things. You continue to push it on this message board all the time.
According to what I see....You are the one who cannot handle the fact that no one believes what you say.
Mainly because Dana was given a shot and failed.
Now Neal Brown is being given a shot.
Talking about not being able to think properly .
Your opinion of Neal Brown is already determined. You don't think he is as good as Dana and no matter what happens you will continue to think that way.
I am not a fan of Trump. But it is because of his actions. My opinion of him was determined after the election and not before.
You are upset because your BF Dana left. Now you are attempting to prove how wrong everyone was about Dana.
Thing is Dana wasn't cutting it. People didn't want to settle for being a good but not great football team.
The nonsense that FACTS are not FACTS is destroying America and is coming from a dictator in RUSSIA. Its being spread by certain politicians and propaganda based media to confuse and mislead millions.
It is unfortunately being used by people pretending to care about America so that they can permanently gain power to rule over everyone.
But FACTS are still FACTS. Its not a matter of opinion.
If for example, one presents the number of points Brown's team scored in a year--its not disputable--its a historical FACT.
Same with points scored in actual games.
Same with number of games below a certain score.
Same with losses.
You created a fake agenda to get rid of a previous coach that had verifiable historical factual records. You lied, used spin and negativity to achieve your goals.
You wanted a certain type of person from a certain type of background to replace him from the day he arrived at WVU and succeeded, and now that person has had more bad results than good when most of you proclaimed ANYONE could walk in and immediately do a better job.
So its you that has the problem. Your ego doesn't want to admit how horribly wrong you were and are, so instead of dealing with it, you try to shut down any discussion of it.
That isn't going to happen. The world doesn't revolve around you personally, and there are facts that affect things. You will have to learn that you don't get to make up reality, you have to exist in reality.
The football coach at WVU has to produce results. If after a certain period he doesn't, then as we've all seen, there will be a new coach.
It is unfortunately being used by people pretending to care about America so that they can permanently gain power to rule over everyone.
But FACTS are still FACTS. Its not a matter of opinion.
If for example, one presents the number of points Brown's team scored in a year--its not disputable--its a historical FACT.
Same with points scored in actual games.
Same with number of games below a certain score.
Same with losses.
You created a fake agenda to get rid of a previous coach that had verifiable historical factual records. You lied, used spin and negativity to achieve your goals.
You wanted a certain type of person from a certain type of background to replace him from the day he arrived at WVU and succeeded, and now that person has had more bad results than good when most of you proclaimed ANYONE could walk in and immediately do a better job.
So its you that has the problem. Your ego doesn't want to admit how horribly wrong you were and are, so instead of dealing with it, you try to shut down any discussion of it.
That isn't going to happen. The world doesn't revolve around you personally, and there are facts that affect things. You will have to learn that you don't get to make up reality, you have to exist in reality.
The football coach at WVU has to produce results. If after a certain period he doesn't, then as we've all seen, there will be a new coach.
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You are right a football coach has to produce results but Dana did not produce results. You seem infatuated with how many points we scored in some of the games in his tenure but how many points did we give up. Whats the point of scoring 56 points against Oklahoma when you give up 59. Whats the point of scoring 41 points against a weak 6-6 Okie state team when you give up 45. I would rather be the team that scores 17 if the opponent scores 16 or less. Dana had 8 years he left on his own accord. You got a preview of what the 2019 season would have looked like under Dana in the bowl Game. How many points did we score against syracuse without Grier. Was it 16 or 18 points can't remember.
When TVZ, JV, & WVUA all align & agree against someone here, you know the other persons perspectives are absolutely BS....
If you really want to delve into the stats take a look at some of the box scores of games lost in the Holgorsen era. Quite a few of his losses came when wvu outgained the oppostion. At times wvu outgained the oppostion by over 100 yards and lost. look at the 2012, 2018 Oklahoma game stats. Look at the stats from the Va tech and TCU game in 2017. In 2014 wvu had close to 700 yards to marylands 450 but needed at field goal at the buzzer to win. That wreaks of ineffeciency.
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@Volatility here you go this is offensive ineffeciency in a nut shell how do Bucky an Vault expalin this maybe i wll ask
@VaultHunter and @Buckaineer how do you explain this offensive ineffeciency?
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In this game wvu was outgained but not by much but look at the turnover margin. How the hell did this so called offensive genius blow this one?
This has to concern you.
games scoring 20 points or less:
WVU-BROWN 2019:
4 of those L's we weren't even in the game.
How many games will we be able to keep teams under 20? You have to score to win. O needs to step it upl
games scoring 20 points or less:
WVU-BROWN 2019:
| 1 | 31-Aug | vs. | James Madison (non-IA) | W | 20 | 13 |
| 2 | 7-Sep | @ | Missouri (6-6) | L | 7 | 38 |
| 3 | 12-Oct | vs. | *Iowa State (7-6) | L | 14 | 38 |
| 4 | 19-Oct | @ | *Oklahoma (12-2) | L | 14 | 52 |
| 5 | 31-Oct | @ | *Baylor (11-3) | L | 14 | 17 |
| 6 | 9-Nov | vs. | *Texas Tech (4-8) | L | 17 | 38 |
| 7 | 23-Nov | vs. | *Oklahoma State (8-5) | L | 13 | 20 |
| 8 | 29-Nov | @ | *Texas Christian (5-7) | W | 20 | 17 |
4 of those L's we weren't even in the game.
How many games will we be able to keep teams under 20? You have to score to win. O needs to step it upl
The most impressive thing about Leddie Brown is that, in the 2nd OT against Baylor, after WVU intercepted Baylor's try, everyone knew that WVU would run Leddie on every play, till WVU got a TD or, on 4th down, kicked the field goal. Despite all that, Leddie keep gouging out yards when the defense knew he would have the ball, again and again. Incredible performance and a tribute to Leddie's value to WVU. Yes, the defense was awesome. But Leddie was pretty incredible, too. Together, they make for possibly a long, fun season. We need sometime to make us feel better during the pandemic.
You also have to stop teams from scoring.
Former Staff had 27 losses when his teams scored 20 or more points in a game. He won 1 game when scoring less than 20. Video game football might be fun to watch but sucks when you lose games to lesser teams because you can't stop them...
27 losses when scoring over 20. That would be 14 losses where they didn't break 20 and lost. Only 1 win when scoring less than 20...17-16 victory in 2016. 15 of those 27 losses we scored 30 plus. 6 of those losses when scoring 40+
2011
21-47
23-49
35-38
2012
38-39
34-55
49-50
2013
42-73
27-37
40-47
44-52
2014
23-33
33-45
30-31
20-26
37-45
2015
24-44
26-33
38-62
23-24
2016
20-37
28-56
2017
24-31
24-31
39-50
31-59
2018
41-45
56-59
WVU of today will need to start scoring at least 28 to 30 points because of the offensive teams they will be playing. Defense will not always be at it's best so you will need to score.
Former Staff had 27 losses when his teams scored 20 or more points in a game. He won 1 game when scoring less than 20. Video game football might be fun to watch but sucks when you lose games to lesser teams because you can't stop them...
27 losses when scoring over 20. That would be 14 losses where they didn't break 20 and lost. Only 1 win when scoring less than 20...17-16 victory in 2016. 15 of those 27 losses we scored 30 plus. 6 of those losses when scoring 40+
2011
21-47
23-49
35-38
2012
38-39
34-55
49-50
2013
42-73
27-37
40-47
44-52
2014
23-33
33-45
30-31
20-26
37-45
2015
24-44
26-33
38-62
23-24
2016
20-37
28-56
2017
24-31
24-31
39-50
31-59
2018
41-45
56-59
WVU of today will need to start scoring at least 28 to 30 points because of the offensive teams they will be playing. Defense will not always be at it's best so you will need to score.
We had a 4th down and didn't kick the FG. Instead they went for it and scored a TD. It was a bold move in OT but I liked it.
Your reality is that you made up over 25 fake usernames on a message board and argued with yourself...you are severely mentally ill.
Those are the facts.
This clown shows back up
Thought he claimed to be a huge WVU fan.
Doesn't sound likely
Osugrad/Bucky/Darth Vadeer
Thought he claimed to be a huge WVU fan.
Doesn't sound likely
Osugrad/Bucky/Darth Vadeer
Houston is not a better job he would have made exactly the same at wvu. They just gave him more security. But after year 3 his contract buyout drops to 60% of the remaining value and when that happens Mr mediocre *** will be fired. The only thing Dana was ever good at was snorting cocaine and conning AD's into giving him contracts he didn't deserve.
This is year 2 if its still like this in year 4 come back an talk. Look at how many under classmen are playing on offense. It tells you something about what he inherited from coke head. You also have to play defense to win as well.
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