Bryant McIntosh's shooting

purplebirder

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Although cautiously optimistic about the Big Ten season, Bryant McIntosh's shooting must be a concern. In his first 2 seasons his FG% was 42%(36% from 3 point range) but this year those numbers are 36% and 26%. In the opinion of fans who watch most NU games, is there any logical explanation for this change in performance ?
 

NJCat

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Although cautiously optimistic about the Big Ten season, Bryant McIntosh's shooting must be a concern. In his first 2 seasons his FG% was 42%(36% from 3 point range) but this year those numbers are 36% and 26%. In the opinion of fans who watch most NU games, is there any logical explanation for this change in performance ?

"The Dime" campaign.

Or the beard.

Or both.
 
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He's a solid player he just needs to pass more and take his time he's pressing a little bit you can be all Big Ten this season if you just passed a little bit more and takes his time when he's shooting he's turned the ball over a little bit too much too
 
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We have three or four other really solid (Lindsay,Taphorn,Law) Shooters on the team he needs this dish the ball off to those guys a bit more Brian can be one of the best point guards in the Big Ten this season
 
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its_the_sauce

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I'm trying to think back to his form of the past couple years. It seems like now he's releasing the ball on his jumpers when he's still on his way up (as opposed shooting at the top of his jump). Was he always this way?
 
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What I've noticed is a much faster release . This faster release will be harder to defend , but it may take him a while to start hitting those shots.
 

Medill90

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Time for my annual gripe.

Within a certain distance....free throw line in....most shots have two paths: straight in and off the backboard. The backboard is more forgiving and provides some latitude if one's aim is a bit off. For bigs who can shoot like Skelly and Tap, shooting it high off the board can be a cleaner look from ten feet out when fronted by a defender than shooting it straight in.

I'll give you all a dollar then next time I see an NU player us the back board.
 

ubercat

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Time for my annual gripe.

Within a certain distance....free throw line in....most shots have two paths: straight in and off the backboard. The backboard is more forgiving and provides some latitude if one's aim is a bit off. For bigs who can shoot like Skelly and Tap, shooting it high off the board can be a cleaner look from ten feet out when fronted by a defender than shooting it straight in.

I'll give you all a dollar then next time I see an NU player us the back board.

^^^
This.
As my coach would preach to us: "The Backboard is Your Friend."
 
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hdhntr1

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Time for my annual gripe.

Within a certain distance....free throw line in....most shots have two paths: straight in and off the backboard. The backboard is more forgiving and provides some latitude if one's aim is a bit off. For bigs who can shoot like Skelly and Tap, shooting it high off the board can be a cleaner look from ten feet out when fronted by a defender than shooting it straight in.

I'll give you all a dollar then next time I see an NU player us the back board.
I am not sure you see too much of anybody using the backboard on anything other than a layup these days
 

Donatello Cat

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What I've noticed is a much faster release . This faster release will be harder to defend , but it may take him a while to start hitting those shots.

Could it be that he's still trying to get the hang of something that he was taught at Steph Curry's summer camp? Curry's about as quick as the come in terms of release.
 

ubercat

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I am not sure you see too much of anybody using the backboard on anything other than a layup these days

In at least a couple of our non-con games so far (can't cite specifics due to age), we have faced some talented post-up players (under 6 ft eight) who used the backboard well. A lot of simple pivot-and-bank shots within 5 to 8 feet of the hoop that frustrated even Sanjay. Realize that it depends on the skill set and coaching of the individual player, but still, it's one more tool in the kit.
 

bjm989_rivals

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I'm trying to think back to his form of the past couple years. It seems like now he's releasing the ball on his jumpers when he's still on his way up (as opposed shooting at the top of his jump). Was he always this way?

I agree exactly and posted a long rambling set of descriptors about this but you are exactly right with more precision. I don't see releasing on way up as the way to go. And I've chucked a lot of them over the years...
 

Gladeskat

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I agree exactly and posted a long rambling set of descriptors about this but you are exactly right with more precision. I don't see releasing on way up as the way to go. And I've chucked a lot of them over the years...

I think Steph Curry would disagree with you on this.
 

TejasCat

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I think Steph Curry would disagree with you on this.

It certainly does look like BMac is trying to emulate Steph's "one motion shot". Unfortunately its not easy, and there is only one Steph. But BMac knows this is probably his only shot at playing at next level.

I think this new shooting style will become a trend with the smaller guards.
 
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BMac is a solid guard I think he hit his peak ability already in the last two seasons I'd be happily proven wrong he just lost confidence and needs to tighten up his play and focus on distributing he's good at that.
 

bjm989_rivals

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I think Steph Curry would disagree with you on this.
I've watched steph's shot a good deal. i actually think that he shoots near the top of his jump during his normal shooting motion. Steph also tends to fall away / lean back slightly with his upper body and his feet and legs usually come forward to compensate. I find that gives a little more power in the shot as well. To me BMac does not seem to shoot at the top of his jump and the body position is not the same. I'll watch more of BMac as I don't have the slow motion video like there is all over for Curry. But the shots don't seem highly similar to me at this point. But small changes can go a long way and I wouldn't give up on BMac in at all to make those tweaks and get it all going again!
 

Katatonic

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It's not been BMac's shooting % (whether it is due to changing his shot, or just putting up more wild shots like what used to drive me nuts w/ Demps), but being careless w/ the ball more than what I would like to see from a 3 year starter at PG.

(Of course, when BMac has a good game shooting the ball, Law and Lindsey don't).
 

Mr Wickerpark

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He had a decent game tonight with 21 points (7-15, 2-5, 5-5 ft's).
Gladeskat you are one of my favorite posters. I didnt post much but i have been visiting the board for quite some time.
I think bmc is doing fine. Im more focused on his assist/to ratio. Against nebraska he did a fantastic job moving the ball. It was also great to see that brown settled down and restrained from shooting when better options were available. In fact, between brown and ash, we had a few nice assists while spelling bmc.
You mention how bmc was fine shooting against minny. I believe that was because he had his legs. Many posters say he changed his shot or is otherwise struggling but i think the key stat is his minutes. When he is below 35 minutes he does much better.
Same with Law but Law needs to be below 30 minutez imo otherwise he gets gassed quicker than any of our players and cant even jump. His standing jump in close to the basket is probably the same as yours when he is tired. The result is that he often gets his inside shots blocked in the last 5 minutes. Law is also, often, holding his hips and breathing heavier than our other players. Against nebraska, he came back in the game and hit 2 or 3 quick 3s but then Collins rightfully pulled him for rest. Not sure why, but he may get noticeably more tired due to the opponents leaning on him and wearing his slim body down. In my opinion, just my observation. I have been watching him and he just seems to get tired. The classic hands on hips and head down. Maybe its just how he carries hisself but he cant elevate as high when he plays more than 33 minutes it seems.
 
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TheC

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Time for my annual gripe.

Within a certain distance....free throw line in....most shots have two paths: straight in and off the backboard. The backboard is more forgiving and provides some latitude if one's aim is a bit off. For bigs who can shoot like Skelly and Tap, shooting it high off the board can be a cleaner look from ten feet out when fronted by a defender than shooting it straight in.

I'll give you all a dollar then next time I see an NU player us the back board.
The backboard??? What is this, the 1950's? :p

I agree by the way.... its a lost art.
 

Catreporter

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I think Law was guarding Watson (helping hold him to 2-for-11 shooting) That probably gassed him!
 

Sec_112

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My new pet peeve ...

I believe BMac was 0-5 vs. Nebraska shooting that stupid little jumper/teardrop in the lane where he is never under control and his body isn't square with the basket. That was once a nice little option that has COMPLETELY disappeared.

If he can limit that shot. his FG% will sky rocket.
 

NU Houston

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My new pet peeve ...

I believe BMac was 0-5 vs. Nebraska shooting that stupid little jumper/teardrop in the lane where he is never under control and his body isn't square with the basket. That was once a nice little option that has COMPLETELY disappeared.

If he can limit that shot. his FG% will sky rocket.
OR he can start making them again. :)
 

docrugby1

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The backboard??? What is this, the 1950's? :p

I agree by the way.... its a lost art.

I agree you do not see the bank shot as frequently. The best "bank shooter" that I ever saw was Rudy Tomjanovich from Michigan and a 10-12 year career in the pro's. He is most famous for being on the receiving end of a Kermit Washington punch unfortunately

He could be standing on the baseline and still find a way to bank in his shot. He drilled in line drive shots off the backboard
 

GOUNUII

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OR he can start making them again. :)

I said this from the first time I saw B-Mac's HS film. I would never teach a kid to shoot the way B-Mac does. He is a mechanical, wind up push shooter. Eats up a lot of time just getting his shot off. So on many of his shots he has the mental anxiety of just getting it off in time. We all know what even the slightest doubt does to a FG%. And even at the point of his release, he is more of a push shooter than a wrist shooter. Law and Taphorn are our purest wrist shooters. Lindsey is close to them in his mechanics. I believe they are the best pure pressure shooters playing for us now. No coincidence. Mechanical push shooters are highly prone to shooting slumps that are hard to get out of at game speed.

I would favor B-Mac refining his shot selection. Nothing wrong with hitting a higher % of fewer shots.

GOUNUII
 

Medill90

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I've got to disagree with your analysis.

BMac has a very fluid shot and let's it go at about 11 o'clock.

What his shot does not do is pause, it's all one motion, jump and release. Whereas Law and Lindsey bring it above their heads for a nano second and then let it go at the top of their jump.
 

rwhitney014

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My new pet peeve ...

I believe BMac was 0-5 vs. Nebraska shooting that stupid little jumper/teardrop in the lane where he is never under control and his body isn't square with the basket. That was once a nice little option that has COMPLETELY disappeared.

If he can limit that shot. his FG% will sky rocket.

It also means he's not taking that drive to the rim and drawing contact to get to the line. He's such a good free throw shooter that replacing some of the teardrops with some FTs would really help even out the rates and the production. I think that's worth the occasional charge, since he's rarely in serious foul trouble.
 

hdhntr1

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My new pet peeve ...

I believe BMac was 0-5 vs. Nebraska shooting that stupid little jumper/teardrop in the lane where he is never under control and his body isn't square with the basket. That was once a nice little option that has COMPLETELY disappeared.

If he can limit that shot. his FG% will sky rocket.
But when he stops on the drive rather than continue to float in, he is pretty good.
 

GOUNUII

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I've got to disagree with your analysis.

BMac has a very fluid shot and let's it go at about 11 o'clock.

What his shot does not do is pause, it's all one motion, jump and release. Whereas Law and Lindsey bring it above their heads for a nano second and then let it go at the top of their jump.

And your point?

GOUNUII
 

TheC

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My point is B Mac has a nice shot and there's nothing mechanical to correct.
I don't know if I agree. He brings the ball down practically to his waste on each jump shot. That is a lot of extra upper body movement which increases your chances for error (including getting the shot blocked).