Buffalo player Damar Hamlin collapses on field; Needed CPR.

[kyjeff1]

IDK, I think everyone that has commented about Damar in this thread, would also say the same things about anyone else that suffered the same thing, or was killed in a gang related incident in Chicago.

We all live busy lives, so all we can do is deal with the things that are placed at our feet.

It’s not the NFL's job, or ESPN's job to stop covering sports and start broadcasting like they're CNN, or Fox news, ESPN is a sports channel.

I think about the sad state of affairs across this country and in the Ukrain all the time, probably too much, but that's all I can do.

Me feeling good about Damar's vitals coming back to normal, or being concerned about him when it first happened, doesn't mean I care more about him than anyone else that I don’t know.

Anytime cnn/fox news broadcasts anything about people being killed in anywhere america, it bothers me and I bet it bothers most everyone in this country too.

****, look at all those school shootings. Is there anyone in the world that wasn't bothered by Sandy Hook, Columbine and Uvalde TX? Sandy Hook gutted me for a while, damn that was horrible.

There's only so much time in the day, like I said, we can only deal with what's in front of us each day and it doesn’t mean the rest of the things happening out there are any less important.

 

[Eccain01]

A young man is fighting for his life and some of you turn it into how much you hate espn lmao

 

[Gus Polinski]

I'm guessing it was vax related. I've also heard from reliable sources that he was dead last night and that they put him on life suport, hence the stable vitals now. I sure hope that my sources were wrong.

 

[JonathanW_rivals]

People die every single day. Oh okay, because it hit the elite of the elite we’re supposed to pretend it’s an incredible event. I hope he’s okay just like I hope everyone who’s experiencing trauma is okay. I never see ESPN care when it’s someone I’ve been mentoring in trauma and therapy, they push nothing but political “us vs. them” everyday and they want everyone to care when the freakish of the freak happens to the elite 1%, yea okay.

I’ve been to 3 funerals since 2018 of kids in the city of Memphis who overdosed and were killed by bullets and I never heard the first word of anyone from ESPN who gave a damn. They just push political propaganda end to end which hurts so many that I work with. It’s propaganda that hurts the clients I work with daily.

But now, because it’s a rich 1%er athlete they care.

Sorry, I don’t feel the same as many of you. Just because the TV props it up I don’t feel the same. Kids are dying everyday because nobody gives a **** until it hits your team and your preferred colors. I’m sorry but this hit me hard. Cry for everyone dealing with death, spare me the rarity that had enough in bank to handle it when tragedy happens.

This isn’t about the player. It’s about everyone at that network who pushes this nonsense for political gain.

I’ve got an appointment with a poor mother from Ripley Tennessee who just saw her son get gunned down in their driveway a while back, she meets with me at 12:30 today. Who are you crying for?

Having said that, I pray for his recovery. But people supporting the same people espn supports need perspective. They’re the problem. And I don’t feel sorry for Ryan Clark. He’s a 1%er coward in a suit that is detrimental the to cause I serve. F*** espn and the ******** they serve up which I feel is killing my clients constantly.

I don't think people don't give a **** (as you put it) about kids who are killed by random bullets and other random acts of violence or simply unfortunate circumstances. Many simply don't hear about them, because they aren't famous, or because they are in another city, or because the media cherry-picks what they report and don't report on. But also for those that die from causes that they contributed to, such as overdosing, or gang wars (in which they were in one of the gangs, and not just an innocent bystander), yeah many people probably don't care (as much) about those deaths because they were to some degree brought on by their own actions. And yes you can argue that an NFL player is taking risks by choice. But this (or anything like it) is a very rare event, when the closest we can relate it to happened over 30 years ago (Gathers), AND it's from playing a GAME that many let their own children play.

 

[UK90]

I'm guessing it was vax related. I've also heard from reliable sources that he was dead last night and that they put him on life suport, hence the stable vitals now. I sure hope that my sources were wrong.

Just stop. It has nothing to do with that. These things have been happening since long before there ever was a Covid vaccine. If you want to know what likely caused this, this Doc explains it well.




I recall another example years ago where a perfectly healthy college kid died this way simply from being punched in the chest. If you hit that breast plate hard enough in exactly the right spot at exactly the right moment in your heartbeat cycle …it can cause the the thing to stop beating.

 

[JonathanW_rivals]

I'm guessing it was vax related. I've also heard from reliable sources that he was dead last night and that they put him on life suport, hence the stable vitals now. I sure hope that my sources were wrong.

I'm guessing he was on a cocaine and that got his heart out of rhythm. No not really. But just as uninformed a statement as the one you made.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

It's an athlete in the spotlight on a prime-time game, that many of us watched unfold in person. I texted my fantasy groups to mention how this went into a 2nd commercial break and that this "might be bad".

The others here aren't wrong, yes there are millions of other people in need and how come this guy gets special treatment? But my retort to that, is you're spending time last night and this morning writing multi-paragraphs, chastising the rest of us, when YOU could be helping those people instead.

.. Let's not turn another thread into a cesspool. We can talk about this incident, as it's something that really has never happened in the NFL (I don't thinl), while also remembering that yes, this is a professional athlete who is no different than a homeless kid in Chicago, all things considered.

 

[akaukswoosh]

 

[Joerules19]

I read it was Bengals Head Coach Zac Taylor who went over to the Bills about not continuing. Bills players were actually headed back on to the field.

I might have read it wrongful

I'm guessing it was vax related. I've also heard from reliable sources that he was dead last night and that they put him on life suport, hence the stable vitals now. I sure hope that my sources were wrong.

care to share who your “sources” are?

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

It’s not nutty. It’s a dose of reality. Did you know who Damar Hamlin was prior to this incident? No. But dude was raising $2,500 for toys for kids in his community and now the Go Fund Me has over 3 mil. And all these folks gave because it’s an athlete whom they saw collapse over and over again on ESPN and twitter. Grom is right, there are people in your own community suffering and you’re doing jack about it. But keep pretending to give a **** about this dude you never heard of before…

It’s nutty to expect a cable sports broadcast network to spend less time talking about a player that damn near died during a live broadcast of a football game, and spend more time talking about people suffering near me here in SW Ohio.

 

[TheDude73]

People die every single day. Oh okay, because it hit the elite of the elite we’re supposed to pretend it’s an incredible event. I hope he’s okay just like I hope everyone who’s experiencing trauma is okay. I never see ESPN care when it’s someone I’ve been mentoring in trauma and therapy, they push nothing but political “us vs. them” everyday and they want everyone to care when the freakish of the freak happens to the elite 1%, yea okay.

I’ve been to 3 funerals since 2018 of kids in the city of Memphis who overdosed and were killed by bullets and I never heard the first word of anyone from ESPN who gave a damn. They just push political propaganda end to end which hurts so many that I work with. It’s propaganda that hurts the clients I work with daily.

But now, because it’s a rich 1%er athlete they care.

Sorry, I don’t feel the same as many of you. Just because the TV props it up I don’t feel the same. Kids are dying everyday because nobody gives a **** until it hits your team and your preferred colors. I’m sorry but this hit me hard. Cry for everyone dealing with death, spare me the rarity that had enough in bank to handle it when tragedy happens.

This isn’t about the player. It’s about everyone at that network who pushes this nonsense for political gain.

I’ve got an appointment with a poor mother from Ripley Tennessee who just saw her son get gunned down in their driveway a while back, she meets with me at 12:30 today. Who are you crying for?

Having said that, I pray for his recovery. But people supporting the same people espn supports need perspective. They’re the problem. And I don’t feel sorry for Ryan Clark. He’s a 1%er coward in a suit that is detrimental the to cause I serve. F*** espn and the ******** they serve up which I feel is killing my clients constantly.

Good lord man. Your job appears to be some kind of counselor/therapist, but I can't imagine how that even works given your clear anger and bitterness about pretty much everything under the sun. This was a thread about one specific situation that's pretty terrifying, yet you somehow managed to flip it into a political hate rant against ESPN and rich folks (I may somewhat agree with you on parts of this topic, but this thread probably isn't the place to discuss).

Aren't therapists/counselors supposed to be non-biased? Or do you just use Rafters as your punching bag to let loose of what you can't say in sessions with people who've lost loved ones? I certainly hope you're not spewing this kind of stuff to these poor souls!

 

[johnc17]

People die every single day. Oh okay, because it hit the elite of the elite we’re supposed to pretend it’s an incredible event. I hope he’s okay just like I hope everyone who’s experiencing trauma is okay. I never see ESPN care when it’s someone I’ve been mentoring in trauma and therapy, they push nothing but political “us vs. them” everyday and they want everyone to care when the freakish of the freak happens to the elite 1%, yea okay.

I’ve been to 3 funerals since 2018 of kids in the city of Memphis who overdosed and were killed by bullets and I never heard the first word of anyone from ESPN who gave a damn. They just push political propaganda end to end which hurts so many that I work with. It’s propaganda that hurts the clients I work with daily.

But now, because it’s a rich 1%er athlete they care.

Sorry, I don’t feel the same as many of you. Just because the TV props it up I don’t feel the same. Kids are dying everyday because nobody gives a **** until it hits your team and your preferred colors. I’m sorry but this hit me hard. Cry for everyone dealing with death, spare me the rarity that had enough in bank to handle it when tragedy happens.

This isn’t about the player. It’s about everyone at that network who pushes this nonsense for political gain.

I’ve got an appointment with a poor mother from Ripley Tennessee who just saw her son get gunned down in their driveway a while back, she meets with me at 12:30 today. Who are you crying for?

Having said that, I pray for his recovery. But people supporting the same people espn supports need perspective. They’re the problem. And I don’t feel sorry for Ryan Clark. He’s a 1%er coward in a suit that is detrimental the to cause I serve. F*** espn and the ******** they serve up which I feel is killing my clients constantly.

Real **** Grom,

My brother passed April 2021 at 27 years young. This incident has utterly decimated my family, parents will never be the same and now I deal with PTSD and other random subconscious trauma's stemming from that incident.

Folks need to give the family space and the media needs to stop trying to martyr this dude before he's even dead. All outlets, including ESPN are constantly shelling out updates for clicks and views. His tragedy is their revenue stream and average Joe and Jane American lap it up and willfully provide. Media will do whatever they can do to keep our attention away from real life issues that affect us all. We peons matter too, it's just who actually cares?

 

[BradleyCrawford08_rivals]

I'm guessing it was vax related. I've also heard from reliable sources that he was dead last night and that they put him on life suport, hence the stable vitals now. I sure hope that my sources were wrong.

That isn’t about the vaccine. Stop with this stupid ****.

 

[Gus Polinski]

I can't believe some of you still believe doctors. Wow!

 

[bbncal02]

I'm guessing it was vax related. I've also heard from reliable sources that he was dead last night and that they put him on life suport, hence the stable vitals now. I sure hope that my sources were wrong.

His heart stopped last night. Hence why they did CPR. Yes he was “dead” for a couple minutes. But he then had a pulse but couldn’t breathe in his own well. Consistent with most cardiac arrests.

This BA about “the vax caused it” needs to stop. Millions got the shot. Almost all NFL guys did. If it was really cussing that I’d think it’d be happening in a lot greater numbers. But that just doesn’t fit your narrative does it?

Regardless, your point is moot. Dude is fighting for his life and you want to point fingers at a source that you have NO proof of.

 

[Gus Polinski]

Like I said, I hope what I heard about him was wrong. We'll see.

 

[bbncal02]

Just stop. It has nothing to do with that. These things have been happening since long before there ever was a Covid vaccine. If you want to know what likely caused this, this Doc explains it well.




I recall another example years ago where a perfectly healthy college kid died this way simply from being punched in the chest. If you hit that breast plate hard enough in exactly the right spot at exactly the right moment in your heartbeat cycle …it can cause the the thing to stop beating.

Yep. Heart works on electrical signals. Hence why pacemakers are able to work and save lives.

If you get hit hard enough and at Kush the right moment, that signal gets disrupted or can outright stop.

Just as if you hit an old TV you could fix the signal or if you got unlucky break it entirely.

 

[bbncal02]

Like I said, I hope what I heard about him was wrong. We'll see.

“We’ll see”.

Let me know how your undoubtedly well peer reviewed research goes on that.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

I'm guessing it was vax related. I've also heard from reliable sources that he was dead last night and that they put him on life suport, hence the stable vitals now. I sure hope that my sources were wrong.

No, it wasn't vaccine related.

 

[Gus Polinski]

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/...etes-collapsing-suddenly-december-2022-video/

 

[Gus Polinski]

Yep. Heart works on electrical signals. Hence why pacemakers are able to work and save lives.

If you get hit hard enough and at Kush the right moment, that signal gets disrupted or can outright stop.

Just as if you hit an old TV you could fix the signal or if you got unlucky break it entirely.

Yeah. It happens all the time in the NFL doesn't it?

 

[bbncal02]

Yeah. It happens all the time in the NFL doesn't it?

I’m not arguing with you. Because there’s 1. Nothing to argue. And 2. Your perception is already cemented.

 

[TFCat11]

I can't believe some of you still believe doctors. Wow!

Pretty crazy isn’t it? Doctors do and say what big Pharma tells them, or they are out of business. Period.

I also find it funny and sad at the same time that people viciously defend the vaccines that have already killed and injured thousands of people, including many many soccer players and other endurance athletes.

That’s okay though, because this will begin to happen more and more and they will have to crawl out of their Cognitive Dissonance and swallow some crow.

 

[KFuqua]

Wow.... I just don't get some of you. I am not a fan of either team that was playing last night, but we had the game on. When this happened, and he just dropped, it was awful. It was terrible to watch him, his teammates, the coaches, the other team, the referees and everyone else stunned and many, in tears, as they watched this young player fighting for his life because he was playing a game. It was tough to watch and I hope he recovers.

I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of bad things that happen to people every single day. It's terrible and I don't think anyone is happy about it, but to try to make it sound like this player's life doesn't matter and no one should be upset because he's a pro athlete and makes money, is just wrong.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Pretty crazy isn’t it? Doctors do and say what big Pharma tells them, or they are out of business. Period.

I also find it funny and sad at the same time that people viciously defend the vaccines that have already killed and injured thousands of people, including many many soccer players and other endurance athletes.

That’s okay though, because this will begin to happen more and more and they will have to crawl out of their Cognitive Dissonance and swallow some crow.

I can't tell If you're serious or not. That's how ridiculous this post is.

 

[kycat14]

It’s not nutty. It’s a dose of reality. Did you know who Damar Hamlin was prior to this incident? No. But dude was raising $2,500 for toys for kids in his community and now the Go Fund Me has over 3 mil. And all these folks gave because it’s an athlete whom they saw collapse over and over again on ESPN and twitter. Grom is right, there are people in your own community suffering and you’re doing jack about it. But keep pretending to give a **** about this dude you never heard of before…

You don’t think it’s normal and HUMAN for folks to have compassion simply because a situation presents itself directly in such a brutal fashion? That’s why people “ give a ****” about it. Stop being a nasty *** hole and go fund yourself a dose of reality.

 

[mcwildcats04]

I can't tell If you're serious or not. That's how ridiculous this post is.

At this point, you just kind of have to hope that guy and 'Gus' are just trolling.

 

[U Go UK_rivals23138]

Fancy word for what I said----violent impact to the chest, that can cause a sudden, fatal cardiac rhythm...

It didn’t look like a violent hit at all. I’m wondering if the kid had an unknown issue?

 

[HagginHall1999]

There are some posters on here I have lost total respect for. Cannot believe what some are typing.

 

[Crawfords Corner]

It didn’t look like a violent hit at all. I’m wondering if the kid had an unknown issue?

There is a 24 second video of the hit on Youtube. Go watch that video. Before you start it set the playback speed to .25

It wasn't one of those huge "targeting" type hits we see. This was a short quick violent explosive contact to Hamlin's chest area. Tee Higgins isn't a small dude. He's 6ft 4 about 230 pounds. He can probably generate quite a big amount of energy in a short amount of time and space.

 

[UK90]

It didn’t look like a violent hit at all. I’m wondering if the kid had an unknown issue?

Commotio Cordis deaths have been caused by something as simple as taking a single punch, baseball or hockey puck to the chest. That hit was easily hard enough …if he struck the exact right spot at the exact split-second moment in the cardiac cycle when the heart is most vulnerable.

 

[mcwildcats04]

Commotio Cordis deaths have been caused by something as simple as taking a single punch, baseball or hockey puck to the chest. That hit was easily hard enough …if he struck the exact right spot at the exact split-second moment in the cardiac cycle when the heart is most vulnerable.

It happened to Chris Pronger in hockey many years ago. I had forgotten all about that. Fortunately, he recovered just fine and went on to a great career.

 

[CincyUKFan]

You don’t think it’s normal and HUMAN for folks to have compassion simply because a situation presents itself directly in such a brutal fashion? That’s why people “ give a ****” about it. Stop being a nasty *** hole and go fund yourself a dose of reality.

Any situations present themselves in your own community in brutal fashions? Doing anything to meet those needs? Or just posting on message boards and social media about events that happen on tv?

 

[IUfanBorden]

It didn’t look like a violent hit at all. I’m wondering if the kid had an unknown issue?

Higgins is 6'3",240lbs----thats a load. No not the vicious hits we are accustomed to---but it was still violent. Crown of the helmet,to the chest----from a 6'3", 240lb dude----going full speed? Not good.

Thing is,it (contact) doesn't need to be "bone crushing". Getting hit in the chest like that, and atthe time the heart is ending its cycle----DANGEROUS.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Holy **** at some of these responses....I mean, yikes.

Look, athletes, people of fame, people of government, etc, etc....are going to garner more attention if something happens----Especially when it does so on national TV.

And look, lets not act as if there hasn't been a push, attention for the battle against drugs, gun violence, overdose deaths, etc, etc----There has been, there still is, and there always will be. But if anyone for one second thinks an overdoes, a murder, in the streets of Chicago, LA, or wherever, is going to catch the same pub as this? Well you are being naive.

And look, the glorification of athletes is of our OWN doing----Yet when one is given this attention, you wanna ***** about it, and act holier than thou? Let me ask you this..........

What if this happened to a UK player? WOuld you still ***** and moan about the attention THAT woould garner? I mean where was the outrage over the coverage of the tragic passing of Terrence Clarke?

Yeah, damn hypocrites....

 

[IUfanBorden]

People die every single day. Oh okay, because it hit the elite of the elite we’re supposed to pretend it’s an incredible event. I hope he’s okay just like I hope everyone who’s experiencing trauma is okay. I never see ESPN care when it’s someone I’ve been mentoring in trauma and therapy, they push nothing but political “us vs. them” everyday and they want everyone to care when the freakish of the freak happens to the elite 1%, yea okay.

I’ve been to 3 funerals since 2018 of kids in the city of Memphis who overdosed and were killed by bullets and I never heard the first word of anyone from ESPN who gave a damn. They just push political propaganda end to end which hurts so many that I work with. It’s propaganda that hurts the clients I work with daily.

But now, because it’s a rich 1%er athlete they care.

Sorry, I don’t feel the same as many of you. Just because the TV props it up I don’t feel the same. Kids are dying everyday because nobody gives a **** until it hits your team and your preferred colors. I’m sorry but this hit me hard. Cry for everyone dealing with death, spare me the rarity that had enough in bank to handle it when tragedy happens.

This isn’t about the player. It’s about everyone at that network who pushes this nonsense for political gain.

I’ve got an appointment with a poor mother from Ripley Tennessee who just saw her son get gunned down in their driveway a while back, she meets with me at 12:30 today. Who are you crying for?

Having said that, I pray for his recovery. But people supporting the same people espn supports need perspective. They’re the problem. And I don’t feel sorry for Ryan Clark. He’s a 1%er coward in a suit that is detrimental the to cause I serve. F*** espn and the ******** they serve up which I feel is killing my clients constantly.

Do what? First off why would ESPN report on drug overdoses? Or murders? Its a, GET THIS----a station that reports on...........

SPORTS.

I mean its their job to report on.....

SPORTS.

Probably a big reason they are reporting on this? Possible?

What nonsense is ESPN pushing for political gain?

How is ESPN causing kids to shoot one another, and overdose?

Were you this upset when ESPN reported on the tragic death of Terrence Clarke?

 

[CincyUKFan]

Higgins is 6'3",240lbs----thats a load. No not the vicious hits we are accustomed to---but it was still violent. Crown of the helmet,to the chest----from a 6'3", 240lb dude----going full speed? Not good.

Thing is,it (contact) doesn't need to be "bone crushing". Getting hit in the chest like that, and atthe time the heart is ending its cycle----DANGEROUS.

I’m not going to making some argument about vaccines, but I’m also not going to accept the Commotio Cordis nonsense. Why?

1. Never had a recorded case in college or pro ball. So you’re talking about unbelievable odds.

2. 99% of cases happen to boys aged 12-18 (vast majority 12-14 years old). They’re still growing and their hearts aren’t protected the way over-18 aged men’s are.

3. Vast majority of the time it’s the result of a projectile (baseball, hockey puck, etc.).

4. Heart stopped again at hospital, making CC even more unlikely.

So it’s not exactly rational to point to Commotio Cordis either. But that’s where we are as a society. One group says it’s the vaccine and another says it’s something that doesn’t happen to grown men and hasn’t happened in the NFL (or rugby, where they don’t have chest protection) and we’re just pushed into one camp or the other.

 

[kycat14]

Any situations present themselves in your own community in brutal fashions? Doing anything to meet those needs? Or just posting on message boards and social media about events that happen on tv?

What’s that got to do with you acting like you did towards him.? That’s the point. So stop acting like an a hole He did nothing to prompt what you did.

 

[catlanta33]

What if he was already having complications and it just happened that he went down after the next play?

I think a bunch of twitter docs calling this from seeing the same play we did but without actually treating him or having access to his medical records is just as bad as anyone else diagnosing Hamil without aforementioned access to information. If that type of behavior was considering 'misinformation', to be an online doctor prior for other statements, then I can't understand why that's suddenly different now. It very well could be accurate but it's still an educated guess at best.

Either way, just hope the guy can make a full recovery. The outpouring of support for him and his family has been a bright spot on an otherwise dark, terrible tragedy.

 

[CincyUKFan]

Hope he recovers, but wondering if there’s any neurological activity. Solid doctors all over twitter give the impression that things are very bleak. And if there isn’t any brain activity, then watching that clip of him falling to the ground is watching a man die. It should be scrubbed.