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Morgousky859 said:
I'm not so sure he is that good. I've heard Indiana pump the hell out of coaches just like him over and over. It's possible that he;s so well thought of due to how well he allows the media guys access. He's always available to them and gives them a key. At my age of 39 I've seen guys that weren't that good be given tons of grace over the access they give. The media is really behind him so I'm not sold. Before a game was played they ere talking about how great he was. Well, I saw the same UL flounder against Creighton and he didn't look that impressive to me. The ACC was severely down last season so what he did doesn't mean much to me either.


I'm not saying he's Payne bad, but you had a ton of our fans believe Payne was the real deal too. UL fans all thought it. I remember saying Payne would be a terrible head coach when we had people wanting him to take over for Calipari. You could tell every time he took over for Calipari he was lost on the sideline. To me he wasn't a good assistant either. Yet, it was constantly said how great he is.

We have a lot of fans that assume a guy is really good because he's new. I think the short dude is average. The difference for him is UL can buy players now, and I'm sure they want to try and compete with UK since they never have been able to. But I don't think it means anything about him. They'll jut have NIL rosters, but I still don't see anything other than average.
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I watched a lot of their games and that roster was flawed. He got a lot out of them. They played us really tough. I think he’s a solid coach.
 
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*Fox2Monk* said:
I watched a lot of their games and that roster was flawed. He got a lot out of them. They played us really tough. I think he’s a solid coach.
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Definitely possible, but at the same time I won't say it until I actually see it. The ACC wasn't a pwoer league last year at all. Most of those ACC rosters were worse than his. He was allowed the NIL and immediately landed a few good players especially at guard. Louisville was 100% not a tournament team in the BIG or SEC, not even close. And then he was dismantled by Creighton who wasn't great but good. He made no adjustments in that game and looked lost.

I haven't seen it man, but I will be watching him again this year to see. Playing us hard really doesn't mean anything last year. It's a rival game and Pope didn't have half the roster he would have liked. UL also looked pretty bad against some CBI teams last season. I think he's being overhyped like most UL and Indiana coaches have been going on decades now. But we'll see, we'll discuss it during the season I'm sure. I'd say he's average even though I think he wants to beat UK really bad and probably will from time time.
 
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Morgousky859 said:
Seriously still pissed off at Calipari for being scared to play this game. Yea I don't buy the arguments. I think Calipari knew Crean wanted to win this game fiercely, and was afraid it would be a common blimp in the early road for his younger teams. I think he was wrong and would have won at least 70% of those games but it was a risk he didn't want. Had nothing to do with what happened in 2012, he was already planning the exit and used the opportunity to have an excuse. We agreed and carried the water at the time, but the media heads pretty much knew and discussed the real issue. Calipari was afraid to play the game.

Had he not ruined that rivalry we would be far, far ahead and the rivalry would have remained as one of the more traditional and oldest rivalries in the minds of the CBB world.

Now, Duke Duke Duke, UNC, and anyone under 35 doesn't even realize UK and Indiana were ever a rival, let alone part of the most premier rivalry in the sport. We have done some things that have seriously shot ourselves in the foot starting with a lot of Barnhart's decisions at times, but these games must be played for our historical record and national perception. You don't eliminate the details of who you have been and who you are, and expect to be seen as the Megatron of the game. Leave all of your program and the history of your program intact.

Mark seems to understand this as well.
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Cal signed the contract for the series to restart not Pope.
 
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Skyguy27 said:
Cal signed the contract for the series to restart not Pope.
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Yea but Cal was just doing things he thought the fans would like. And I believe that game had as much to do with Barnhart as it did Calipari, but in 2023 the first thing I thought was Calipari is under fire and he;s throwing the attention off of himself. He's always had that habit.

The damage is done anyway, only guys 42ish and older will really see this as what it should be.
 
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I’m looking forward to December and the Indiana vs UK game. College basketball the way it should be. Go Cats!
 
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Morgousky859 said:
Seriously still pissed off at Calipari for being scared to play this game. Yea I don't buy the arguments. I think Calipari knew Crean wanted to win this game fiercely, and was afraid it would be a common blimp in the early road for his younger teams. I think he was wrong and would have won at least 70% of those games but it was a risk he didn't want. Had nothing to do with what happened in 2012, he was already planning the exit and used the opportunity to have an excuse. We agreed and carried the water at the time, but the media heads pretty much knew and discussed the real issue. Calipari was afraid to play the game.

Had he not ruined that rivalry we would be far, far ahead and the rivalry would have remained as one of the more traditional and oldest rivalries in the minds of the CBB world.

Now, Duke Duke Duke, UNC, and anyone under 35 doesn't even realize UK and Indiana were ever a rival, let alone part of the most premier rivalry in the sport. We have done some things that have seriously shot ourselves in the foot starting with a lot of Barnhart's decisions at times, but these games must be played for our historical record and national perception. You don't eliminate the details of who you have been and who you are, and expect to be seen as the Megatron of the game. Leave all of your program and the history of your program intact.

Mark seems to understand this as well.
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Cal was 3-1 against IU in his first 3 seasons at UK. Why would he be scared? He offered for the series to continue on neutral courts because IU had pissed off the wrong people with their animal behavior at Assembly Hall.

UK and IU was a rivalry for the Knight years. IU has been irrelevant for over 30 years minus a couple good runs. They have never won their conference tournament in 28 tries. They were no longer worth being on UK's schedule (and still aren't).

Duke and UNC have won multiple titles in that time. I hate Duke, but that rivalry has withstood multiple decades.
 
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Morgousky859 said:
IU and UL are so similar. New coach, pump him as a new coach K, "we're gonna conquer the world now - followed by back to back average joe or worse seasons, fans become disgruntled, rinse repeat new coach.

When Tennessee basketball has it figured out better than you and year to year at that, you suck. bluebloods or first tier programs my ***.
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Nope. IU fans have hope Darian DeVries is the answer. He’s not a freaking weirdo like Clappy and he actually wants to load his teams up with shooters, which for some reason, Archie and Woody seems to have no interest in and DD runs an exciting offense to watch.

Will he be successful? I don’t know but even you guys, if you’re being honest, know DeVries can coach. Let’s find out how well he can recruit and build teams in a very tough conference.
 
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plaxico80 said:
Nope.
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Yeah, I agree the Louisville - IU basketball program comparison doesn't hold water.

* Since 1997, Louisville has been past the Sweet 16 SEVEN times. Indiana has been past the Sweet 16 ONCE since 1993.

* Louisville won a National Title, albeit one stripped in the NCAA, in 2013. Indiana hasn't won any post-season tournament, even a B-10 conference tournament since 1987, nearly 40 years -- 26 years before Louisville's last title.

* Louisville has sucked lately, only going to the tournament ELEVEN times since 2009. That's still nearly double Indiana's SIX tournament bids in that period.

So while Louisville basketball is clearly and undeniably Kentucky's Little Brother, Indiana would have a ways to go to even be Louisville's Little Brother in the past 35 years or so.

As for the new coach - anyone with the time could go back in this thread and read the lofty promises about how Crean or Archie or Woody was going to raise the program from the dead.

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MdWIldcat55 said:
Yeah, I agree the Louisville - IU basketball program comparison doesn't hold water.

* Since 1997, Louisville has been past the Sweet 16 SEVEN times. Indiana has been past the Sweet 16 ONCE since 1993.

* Louisville won a National Title, albeit one stripped in the NCAA, in 2013. Indiana hasn't won any post-season tournament, even a B-10 conference tournament since 1987, nearly 40 years -- 26 years before Louisville's last title.

* Louisville has sucked lately, only going to the tournament ELEVEN times since 2009. That's still nearly double Indiana's SIX tournament bids in that period.

So while Louisville basketball is clearly and undeniably Kentucky's Little Brother, Indiana would have a ways to go to even be Louisville's Little Brother in the past 35 years or so.

As for the new coach - anyone with the time could go back in this thread and read the lofty promises about how Crean or Archie or Woody was going to raise the program from the dead.

Still Dead.
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I didn’t mean to say IU has been a quality program since Bob Knight was fired. I wasn’t comparing IU to Louisville who has obviously been more successful for a long period of time.

I’m saying let’s see how DeVries does in Bloomington. He brings a very, very different approach offensively, to Clappy, Archie or Woody, none of which, valued shooters.

Darian DeVries understands modern college basketball. Anybody believing Archie or Woody understood today’s game, has to be joking. Let’s see how he does.
 
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