Caitlyn Jenner question

[-LEK-]

I agree with, anyone should be able to do anything they want at anytime. I want to shoot my neighbors annoying *** dog, good to know you are in my corner. I kid.

I reality what stops a a guy who doesn't have any real inner desire to be a woman, coming out tomorrow and saying I feel like a woman and want to use all the women's facilities from here forward? I am all for people's rights and am about as anti big government as they come...but seriously we are to the point we are allowing people to say what gender they are today, tomorrow and goinng forward even though the genetically and physically are not?

i think that is part of my questioning. If I shoot your dog, I infringe upon your rights. Does Jenner being whatever, infringe upon anyone's rights to be who he thinks he/she is?

Ultimately, I could not care less what he/she wants to be. However, I can see both angles, people championing him, and people despising him. At least its opening the conversation up about transgender and whether or not it exists. Is jenner a champ? Most of us think hes a media ***** looking for attention. However, if I was Bobby Joe Smith, but secretly inside thought I was Sarah Jane Smith, this could be the person I look up to for attempting to make it ok. I dont know where the line is. I cant imagine being so confused (or not confused) that you would be willing to take the full blunt of soceity's ire and hatred just so you could feel normal as another sex. Is this like men/women who have sex changes? Christine Jorgenson is considered a hero by those with sexual idenity issues. Or is it a mental disorder. i honestly dont know. I do know they have the freedom to choose how they want to live.


That being said, I dont think it really matters what he does, as long as his rights do not infringe upon mine. The opposite being true, I should infringe upun his rights to do whatever the touch he wants to do.

 

[UK_ENGR]

Suicide watch...hope someone gets <him> some help.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Suicide watch...hope someone gets <him> some help.

No way. I don't know much bout Bruce Jenner, but I do know one thing. Bruce Jenner loves him some Bruce Jenner. He's always been a narcissist (plenty press out there about this) long before he met the Kardashian mom. It goes back to his racing days.

He won't kill himself, he'll make everyone want to kill themselves.

 

[MegaBlue05]

You mean Arkansas own grits and gravy? Mike huckabee?

Yeah.

That dude is a poster child for why I can't get down with that evangelical social conservatism ****.

Anybody who comes off as "that racist uncle" and supports those creepy sister's tit touching Duggars deserves all the ridicule that comes his way.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Lol, speaking off families who don't use birth control as you mentioned why is 19 the magic number of kids you need to get a show? They could go hit up over the Rhine in the natti and find some dude who fathered atleast 20 kids, and the best part being he doesn't have to take care of them. They are putting on another 19 kid family on tlc

 

[Wall2Boogie]

When you said tit grabbing where were you when republican saxby chambliss had his developing granddaughter on his lap. Talk about sick, go ahead YouTube it. It's an ad that went bad as u will see

 

[buster3.0]

I heard fka Bruce is going to get paid something like 100 mill for his reality show. Is it possible that this may be fake and the greatest publicity stunt ever? You know his family and what publicity/whores they are.

Would you grow tits for 100 million? I think I would.

 

[liveblue92]

When you said tit grabbing where were you when republican saxby chambliss had his developing granddaughter on his lap. Talk about sick, go ahead YouTube it. It's an ad that went bad as u will see

Wow that was creepy!

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

If Bruce officially changes his name down at the courthouse I'll call him Caitlyn. But there's nothing short of him ridding his body of all Y chromosomes before I call him a woman.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Here's the thing, he has somebody who is giving him advice on how to handle his personal life and the manslaughter case hanging over his head. Think about it, it was rumored for awhile he was going to do this. It's not a coincidence that he's doing this before his trial. He's allready playing up the sympathy card by doing this. He's using this as a reason he shouldn't be convicted.

 

[KingOfBBN]

I heard fka Bruce is going to get paid something like 100 mill for his reality show. Is it possible that this may be fake and the greatest publicity stunt ever? You know his family and what publicity/whores they are.

Would you grow tits for 100 million? I think I would.

I heard it was $5 million but I don't know. Either way this entire scum sucking family are the worst. They would do anything for 5 more minutes of television time. I hate this group soooo much. I can't believe they have got so much wealth and a platform for being the worst group of people on TV.

Regardless, my question is what will happen when the cameras aren't around anymore and the activist have moved on from using him? He's already been on record as freaking out a couple of months ago and crying while saying "What have I done to myself?" That will not go away.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

I hate the group as well. If you could get rid of them plus Kanye or the whole jersey shore gang which would go?

 

[RUPPsRevenge1]

Al Bundy knew this 20 years ago about Bruce

 

[GonzoCat90]

People find the dumbest **** to suddenly concern themselves over when faced with an uncomfortable issue that they want to reject.

What about Olympic medals? What about bathrooms? How will society go forth?! Don't forget freaking out about what you'll tell your kids. If there's nothing to be afraid of you might have to just let people live their lives.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

People find the dumbest **** to suddenly concern themselves over when faced with an uncomfortable issue that they want to reject.

What about Olympic medals? What about bathrooms? How will society go forth?! Don't forget freaking out about what you'll tell your kids. If there's nothing to be afraid of you might have to just let people live their lives.

I would argue most of us just go on living our lives, but you can't turn on the TV without the GD media telling you what a hero Bruce Caitlyn Kadashian Jenner is. Oh, and you're now required to tell your kids "Yay! This is normal and healthy! Boys and girls can just change to be members of the opposite sex! You should try it!" or you're an idiot bigot.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I would argue most of us just go on living our lives, but you can't turn on the TV without the GD media telling you what a hero Bruce Caitlyn Kadashian Jenner is. Oh, and you're now required to tell your kids "Yay! This is normal and healthy! Boys and girls can just change to be members of the opposite sex! You should try it!" or you're an idiot bigot.

I know. I remember when you all had to prepare your kids for a world where Michael Sam being gay was perfectly fine and all the trouble and lasting presence that had. That damn media.

I'll never understand this worry and obsession over what "the media" that people hate so much seem to have. People say they don't watch or listen to it, say they disagree with all of it and think they're insane, but quickly bring up what "they" say and the impact it has on their lives.

And it's the same with the Kardashian family. Everyone thinks they're stupid and scum and worthless and shouldn't be famous and yet it's some potentially damaging move to society for one of them to be transgender.

 

[KingOfBBN]

People find the dumbest **** to suddenly concern themselves over when faced with an uncomfortable issue that they want to reject.

What about Olympic medals? What about bathrooms? How will society go forth?! Don't forget freaking out about what you'll tell your kids. If there's nothing to be afraid of you might have to just let people live their lives.

When you're a public figure and decide to go on a public campaign to promote your freak show and do magazine covers and TV shows then you have open yourself up to public criticism. This isn't like we peaked over our neighbor's fence and got pissed about something. This is someone shoving this in our faces and having it showcased on every network and media outlet. So if you have a right to promote your crap then others have a right to say what and how they feel about it.

I'm not some old 80 year old prude or anything but this guy is a total lunatic and deserves absolutely zero attention.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I'm not some old 80 year old prude or anything but this guy is a total lunatic and deserves absolutely zero attention.

Most transgenders don't want the attention (they are already having difficulty coming out as it is), so this Bruce thing isn't about the transgender community, but rather, his ego.

Other than RuPaul (shocking, because Bruce and RuPual are alike in attention whoreness) how often do we here about Tansgenders running their lifestyles in our faces? Not very often. Hell, Transgenders don't even like the gay and lesbian communities.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Most transgenders don't want the attention (they are already having difficulty coming out as it is), so this Bruce thing isn't about the transgender community, but rather, his ego.

Other than RuPaul (shocking, because Bruce and RuPual are alike in attention whoreness) how often do we here about Tansgenders running their lifestyles in our faces? Not very often. Hell, Transgenders don't even like the gay and lesbian communities.

I know. That's the thing. There have been many in that community who have said that this should all be a private matter so you can blend in to this new life and have criticized Bruce for this stunt. He has made a circus of this because this is the first time all of the attention isn't on the girls and he loves it. He is a narcissistic loon and for some reason him killing someone has been all but forgotten because he's now some project being used.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I know. That's the thing. There have been many in that community who have said that this should all be a private matter so you can blend in to this new life and have criticized Bruce for this stunt. He has made a circus of this because this is the first time all of the attention isn't on the girls and he loves it. He is a narcissistic loon and for some reason him killing someone has been all but forgotten because he's now some project being used.

Nailed it.

 

[mashburned]

Bruce killed a guy?

Idk if you know this, Gonzo, but the media runs society. Whether you personally care or not, this stuff is a much bigger deal than you seam to imagine.

#whitepeopleproblems

And that's the problem. We got real problems that can't/won't get attention because of our awful media world.

 

[GonzoCat90]

When you're a public figure and decide to go on a public campaign to promote your freak show and do magazine covers and TV shows then you have open yourself up to public criticism. This isn't like we peaked over our neighbor's fence and got pissed about something. This is someone shoving this in our faces and having it showcased on every network and media outlet. So if you have a right to promote your crap then others have a right to say what and how they feel about it.

I'm not some old 80 year old prude or anything but this guy is a total lunatic and deserves absolutely zero attention.

Why are the only things that get "shoved in our face" things people disagree with?

It's just all so dramatic. If you can't find something to watch in 2015, you're not living in the same time period as the rest of us. And even then, listen to how ridiculous that complaint sounds. "This reality TV family is doing outlandish things that I disagree with!"

If Bruce Jenner wants to become Caitlyn Jenner, good for her. If that helps a confused teenager or young adult not feel alone or afraid, good. If it annoys us to see it on tabloid covers or trending on twitter, I think we'll be okay.

I just don't see where there are any losers in this or what it hurts. If Caitlyn Jenner is *that* influential and important to the point that it changes our society as a whole, then this is actually getting less coverage than it deserves.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Bruce killed a guy?

Idk if you know this, Gonzo, but the media runs society. Whether you personally care or not, this stuff is a much bigger deal than you seam to imagine.

#whitepeopleproblems

And that's the problem. We got real problems that can't/won't get attention because of our awful media world.

The media doesn't run society because it's mostly just formalized entertainment. There's a genre for virtually every personal view so that people can hear about the world from others who agree with them, and they'll all have their own experts and analysts and scientists to back up their stance until we move on to something else in a week.

 

[BlueRaider22]

The discussion in this thread hinges on where people's lines of morality lay......which differs for a lot of people.

-On one hand you have a handful of folks who view this as a mental illness. To say that it's "ok" for Jenner to go through this and be praised for it, it then suggests that as a society we are pertuating mental illness. Instead of helping Jenner, society is enabling him.....and others who need help. While it may not influence the individual directly, it does influence societal views. I.e., each brick helps to develop a building.

-On the other hand there are those like Gonzo. If thousands of people want to commit suicide.....or sleep with goats.......or change themselves into a dog......he doesn't care......as long as it doesn't bother his life.

 

[GonzoCat90]

The discussion in this thread hinges on where people's lines of morality lay......which differs for a lot of people.

-On one hand you have a handful of folks who view this as a mental illness. To say that it's "ok" for Jenner to go through this and be praised for it, it then suggests that as a society we are pertuating mental illness. Instead of helping Jenner, society is enabling him.....and others who need help. While it may not influence the individual directly, it does influence societal views. I.e., each brick helps to develop a building.

-On the other hand there are those like Gonzo. If thousands of people want to commit suicide.....or sleep with goats.......or change themselves into a dog......he doesn't care......as long as it doesn't bother his life.

What an accurate and balanced summary of the two distinct sides that clearly exist for every issue, no matter the complexity.

 

[KingOfBBN]

The media doesn't run society because it's mostly just formalized entertainment. There's a genre for virtually every personal view so that people can hear about the world from others who agree with them, and they'll all have their own experts and analysts and scientists to back up their stance until we move on to something else in a week.

Media is a huge influence in life and forming perception and Hollywood is always a useful tool. They are society's gatekeepers. If they don't talk about a situation then the public stays ignorant and if they devote a huge majority of time on something, they can warp truth. This happens time and time again. There are a ton of examples of this.

Let's take a look at the black community. Because of the media, they see nothing but cases of black men being killed by cops but those same outlets don't create huge frenzies over black males that kill cops or mention that according to the FBI's stats, that blacks are responsible for 85% of interracial crime (black on white) so they go on thinking that blacks are being targeted and everyone is racist. This is obviously generalizing and just one example but you get the point.

Let's take a look at public opinion of homosexuality. Regardless of how anyone feels about this boring topic, you don't think the media had any influence on changing that opinion? You don't see the constant discussion of it and promoting of it through sitcoms and coverage had any impact? It most certainly did.

Media was key in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. It definitely tells us what to think and what's 'important.'

 

[UKserialkiller]

The media doesn't run society because it's mostly just formalized entertainment. There's a genre for virtually every personal view so that people can hear about the world from others who agree with them, and they'll all have their own experts and analysts and scientists to back up their stance until we move on to something else in a week.

Kinda does Gonz. Just saw a stat the other day that is totally 100% media influenced. Even though gun ownage is up. We have the lowest homicide rate since 1983, yet 65% of the people think homicide is at its worst than it has ever been. That's just one section. There is an actual syndrome caused by media, "Mean world syndrome".

Most people are bored and need some drama. Basically what Mash said..

 

[GonzoCat90]

Media is a huge influence in life and forming perception and Hollywood is always a useful tool. They are society's gatekeepers. If they don't talk about a situation then the public stays ignorant and if they devote a huge majority of time on something, they can warp truth. This happens time and time again. There are a ton of examples of this.

Let's take a look at the black community. Because of the media, they see nothing but cases of black men being killed by cops but those same outlets don't create huge frenzies over black males that kill cops or mention that according to the FBI's stats, that blacks are responsible for 85% of interracial crime (black on white) so they go on thinking that blacks are being targeted and everyone is racist. This is obviously generalizing and just one example but you get the point.

Let's take a look at public opinion of homosexuality. Regardless of how anyone feels about this boring topic, you don't think the media had any influence on changing that opinion? You don't see the constant discussion of it and promoting of it through sitcoms and coverage had any impact? It most certainly did.

Media was key in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. It definitely tells us what to think and what's 'important.'

But whose opinion are they changing when a news outlet exists for every social and political ideology. Was your perspective changed or enforced on police/racial tension or homosexuality? Were you told how to feel about transgender issues?

 

[GonzoCat90]

Kinda does Gonz. Just saw a stat the other day that is totally 100% media influenced. Even though gun ownage is up. We have the lowest homicide rate since 1983, yet 65% of the people think homicide is at its worst than it has ever been. That's just one section. There is an actual syndrome caused by media, "Mean world syndrome".

Most people are bored and need some drama. Basically what Mash said..

Right, but you said it yourself. We're being given what we want. We shape what the media reports. People want scandal and sex changes, so networks appease their viewers. We are terrible. The big, bad evil media just feeds us our favorite foods.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Right, but you said it yourself. We're being given what we want. We shape what the media reports. People want scandal and sex changes, so networks appease their viewers. We are terrible. The big, bad evil media just feeds us our favorite foods.

Yep. but is it a chicken or egg first thing?

I dunno man, but I do know that people live and die by what the media tells them and vice versa.

Total symbiotic relationship.

 

[BlueRaider22]

The media just wants ratings.....which leads to money. There are good things happening all around us.......actually, way more things than bad. Think of your average day. How many times do you see someone do a good deed on an average day.......someone hold a door open.......someone help someone in/out of a chair......someone wave a car in on the roads when traffic is stuck......kids having a car wash to raise money for a cause......the guy ahead of you in the Starbucks drive through pays for your coffee, etc? How many robberies, murders, fights, cussings, etc do you see on a daily basis? It's a lot, lot, lot less. However the average news broadcast is >80-90% negative biased. And we all tune in.

It's a vicious cycle that I wish we could break.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Yep. but is it a chicken or egg first thing?

I dunno man, but I do know that people live and die by what the media tells them and vice versa.

Total symbiotic relationship.

I agree with this. There have been plenty of psychological studies about topics like this. Basically it all boils down to that the most successful people were and are surrounded by positive things in their lives. People that are constantly surrounded by negativity.....or that don't see the positive.....usually don't do nearly as well. In their professional and personal lives.

That's why the "self improvement" section of the local Barnes Noble is saturated with "positve thinking" books.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Moreover, this is likely a large reason why so many entities do so well. The vast majority of religions for example talke about "doing good" and "loving your fellow man." Then look at the proportions of those who do well in life compared to the general public and things are better in the religious groups. I.e., the general religious population has a lower divorce rate, has lower crime rate, has a higher success rate in business, has a better debt/income ratio, etc........compared to the general population. (This doesn't mean that the religious population is void of sin or failures.)

And, not just with religion. Yoga groups. People that involved in team sports. People involved in social groups....like Boy Scouts, etc.

In general, people that surround themselves with positive energy do much better.

 

[mashburned]

Right, but you said it yourself. We're being given what we want. We shape what the media reports. People want scandal and sex changes, so networks appease their viewers. We are terrible. The big, bad evil media just feeds us our favorite foods.

No, we don't know what the f we want because we want what others want...if that makes sense.

Oooooo I like this...but do they like it? Is it Ok for me to like it? What do others think? What *should* I think?

What we need is less BS. Period. That is 100000% of media today. Every single bit of it. It's even infected gd sports. The propaganda is out of control .

To quote the great Happy Gilmore: You know what else would sell tickets? A golfer with an arm growing out of his ***. That's all the media does - sell tickets and start fires.

You know why? Because business/economy is baaaaaaad. You know why? Because we can't even discuss its most people don't even know....because of the media. We manufacture BS and profit.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

I agree with, anyone should be able to do anything they want at anytime. I want to shoot my neighbors annoying *** dog, good to know you are in my corner. I kid.

I reality what stops a a guy who doesn't have any real inner desire to be a woman, coming out tomorrow and saying I feel like a woman and want to use all the women's facilities from here forward? I am all for people's rights and am about as anti big government as they come...but seriously we are to the point we are allowing people to say what gender they are today, tomorrow and goinng forward even though the genetically and physically are not?

What stops a man from doing this to go in bathrooms? Nothing, but those ppl also get prosecuted. How often do you see it happening right now..it's definately not a regular occurrence. You've probably been in bathrooms with gay men all the time...were you violated?

It's the same slippery slope the gay hate crowd get into when they say "we'll why don't we let ppl marry their dog"....well how many ppl do you see lining up to want to marry their dog? None basically. Yet their are millions of gay ppl trying to push, protest, etc for themselves. In other words the scenario you suggest is extremely rare and not the norm of what will happen.

 

[mashburned]

The media doesn't run society because it's mostly just formalized entertainment.

Yep, and that's scary. Checks and balances, integrity, responsibility, etc...

 

[Kooky Kats]

Bruce was an avid golfer, but will "Caitlyn" hit from the women's tee? Doesn't seem fair.

Learn Renee Richards.

 

[BlueRaider22]

This is a intriguing, yet tough, situation. I'm very tolerant of people like Jenner but I am worried. I do think that Jenner has a mental illness. It's one that isn't a danger to anyone but it's an illness one none-the-less.

My grandmother had "anheuser's disease". (I.e Alzheimer's.....personal family joke). She did a lot of things that was was considered socially abnormal. She would often sneak food out of the kitchen and hide it throughout the house. She would take things from people and put them it the freezer. Etc. All of these things weren't harmful to anyone but they were not "normal behaviors." However, imagine trying to approach her about the topic of her mental illness.....and subsequent treatment. To her, nothing was wrong and so she would get defensive about it. Unfortunately at the time there weren't a lot of treatments for the disease, so the family just accommodated her illness until she passed.

What worries me about people like Jenner is that (if there is help available....which I don't know if there is) society is just adopting a "hey, it's ok, just let him do whatever" approach......or the "there's nothing wrong with his behavior and just let him do what he wants" approach. If there's no treatment, then I can understand letting it go but if there is something that can be done then parts of society may be choosing not to acknowledge a mental problem and choose not to help someone that is sick.

 

[-LEK-]

I too like comparing things that are not alike. My pool is like the ocean because the both contain water.

 

[buckethead1978]

Let's take a look at the black community. Because of the media, they see nothing but cases of black men being killed by cops but those same outlets don't create huge frenzies over black males that kill cops or mention that according to the FBI's stats, that blacks are responsible for 85% of interracial crime (black on white) so they go on thinking that blacks are being targeted and everyone is racist. This is obviously generalizing and just one example but you get the point.

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How does the media impact the white, conservative community? I'd love to hear your generalization on it.