Campbell Question....

[Marshall2323]

We’ll never know, but a lot of players who were on that 2016 Big 10 Championship team were on those preceding teams, like Barkley and Godwin, and there are no players on the current team who come anywhere near the talent of a Barkley. Also, the 2013 through 2015 teams had a qb who was a high NFL draft choice, which turned out to be undeserved, and this current PSU team certainly doesn’t have a qb who will be drafted.

Lots of winning college QBs aren't NFL talents. Many consider Tim Tebow the greatest college quarterback of all time.Conversely Josh Allen wasn't the greatest college QB. It's a different game.

 

[BCS PSU]

We’ll never know, but a lot of players who were on that 2016 Big 10 Championship team were on those preceding teams, like Barkley and Godwin, and there are no players on the current team who come anywhere near the talent of a Barkley.

How does that matter? He brought his 24 hand picked ISU players here. They aren't producing. On top of that, to date Campbell hasn't been a very good in game coach. He especially seems to have substitution issues and squanders time outs. This is a 10 win schedule. We'll never have an opportunity like this again.

I agree with you that his coaching since the second half of the Wisconsin game has not been good. However, after watching this team play these last three games, this current team never was going to win ten games despite the perceived easy schedule. Before the season, I thought that they’d finish 8-4 or 9-3. I’m still hopeful that they can get a little better and finish 7-5.

 

[PSUHarry]

We were not willing to pay for Amare Campbell. He did not fit the mold of what they wanted to see with that position, particularly size. Well, Amare would’ve been 100 times better this season than Ebel!

We didn’t have the cash other teams were offering him.

 

[rigi19041]

Might not have been "brilliant" but it was certainly necessary. The cubbard's bare, its going to take a couple years but Penn State will be back.

Not with this coach.

 

[rigi19041]

The last 2 years we had 1 D1 LB---Rojas and that's it.

Amare Campbell is leading a sec team in tackles.

 

[rigi19041]

Yeah, and whose fault was that, especially last season when we also had almost no elite Big 10 d-linemen? We did have a linebacker last season who's now starting for Tennessee and may have been one of our two or three best defensive players, but he was a portal from UNC and not a recruit.

Gilliam is a starting DT and leading the same sec team.in sacks. He is better than all the 340lb dts that Campbell signed.

 

[BCS PSU]

Gilliam is a starting DT and leading the same sec team.in sacks. He is better than all the 340lb dts that Campbell signed.

Were any of these guys still an option when Campbell was hired? I mean, it’s a moot issue to bring up names of players who may have been out the door before Campbell even was hired.

I think that we have to stop obsessing about what happened late last year and start looking to the future and hope that the people who are leading this program have a plan and execute it well. Obsessing about the past and what didn’t happen is just wasted energy.

 

[BCS PSU]

We didn’t have the cash other teams were offering him.

I sometimes wonder how PSU even can fill a starting 22 because it seems like every time that a player doesn’t come or stay here, it’s because PSU didn’t have the money to pay them. Maybe it also had to do with the fact that Jim Knowles was hired as the DC at Tennessee and Campbell wanted to go to a place where he was going to be coached by somebody with whom he was familiar. After all, Campbell is a good and useful player, but he’s not the second coming of Brian Bosworth.

 

[m.knox]

Rulli might be an answer for one of them.

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

To me it looks like a combination of not having the physical ability but also lacking the mental awareness, which I think speaks to failures on the coaching staff. Something is wrong. Is it a clash between ISU guys and PSU guys? Is it the speed dating way the staff was assembled? Is it Smith causing friction? Who knows, but what I see is a dysfunctional team that is not on the same page.

The lack of overall talent on this team compared to past years is fairly clear. But noone can tell me that NW talent is so much better that they should've dominated the Lions like they did.

What I'm concerned about with Campbell is him saying that the team doesn't have an identity. NO DUH! The HC is the guy that sets the tone and therefore the identity for the team. Anyone who doesn't fit that identity should be gone. That's basically MC saying he doesn't know what to do with this team, which for the future is not good.

 

[LMTLION]

We didn’t have the cash other teams were offering him.

We were not that far off Tenn. I think his PSU offer plus Ebel’s money gets it done.

 

[rigi19041]

Were any of these guys still an option when Campbell was hired? I mean, it’s a moot issue to bring up names of players who may have been out the door before Campbell even was hired.

I think that we have to stop obsessing about what happened late last year and start looking to the future and hope that the people who are leading this program have a plan and execute it well. Obsessing about the past and what didn’t happen is just wasted energy.

Gilliam was gone. Campbell and Lane were an option. Lane said he was staying but something happened and two days later he entered the portal. Psu opted for Neal and Ebel.



Where has that gm been hiding?

 

[Yogiman71]

The best players on the team are the PSU legacy kids. However, the team is mostly comprised of Iowa State transfers. You can't expect what is essentially a middle of the pack Big 12 team to compete with the better Big 10 teams. Hopefully Campbell can recruit Penn State caliber kids over the next few years. I wouldn't expect much until then.

The best players on the team are the PSU legacy kids. However, the team is mostly comprised of Iowa State transfers. You can't expect what is essentially a middle of the pack Big 12 team to compete with the better Big 10 teams. Hopefully Campbell can recruit Penn State caliber kids over the next few years. I wouldn't expect much until then.

I agree with Landon Tengwell who said both Wiscy and Nortwestern would be mid-tier Big 12 teams. Other than OhowIhate and Indy this year the B10 is pretty mediocre.

 

[PSUHarry]

We were not that far off Tenn. I think his PSU offer plus Ebel’s money gets it done.

Hmmm not exactly what reported by BWI. Tennessee was throwing money around at our guys.

 

[PSUHarry]

I sometimes wonder how PSU even can fill a starting 22 because it seems like every time that a player doesn’t come or stay here, it’s because PSU didn’t have the money to pay them. Maybe it also had to do with the fact that Jim Knowles was hired as the DC at Tennessee and Campbell wanted to go to a place where he was going to be coached by somebody with whom he was familiar. After all, Campbell is a good and useful player, but he’s not the second coming of Brian Bosworth.

People don’t realize that Kraft did not deliver the NIL money to the program that was promised prior to Franklins departure. Another reason we lost several key recruits the summer before. @Marshall2323

 

[Marshall2323]

People don’t realize that Kraft did not deliver the NIL money to the program that was promised prior to Franklins departure. Another reason we lost several key recruits the summer before. @Marshall2323

That's how we lost Luke Wafle among others. Not that this team needs an edge rusher.

 

[TheWizardofCamelot]

I've been watching PSU for 30+ years and this is by far the worst, least-talented front seven I can remember. Defensively, I'm giving Lynn another year or two until he's able to get his guys in here. He's always been well regarded.

Same with Mouser, too. What if this offense had Koby Howard? 28 yards per touch is hard to lose. I did expect the OL to be better than it is. And the RB has little talent. Those two rooms need upgrades IMO, not sure if it's talent or coaching there though.

 

[Indian rocks rich]

That is the problem. PSU cannot afford the best players.

Guess Indiana had the best players last year

 

[JerseyLion]

Guess Indiana had the best players last year

They did. They had the Heisman trophy winner for one. Compare last year's IU team to this year's, and right away you can see what a difference Mendoza made. He was not a diamond in the rough. He was paid for by Mark Cuban.

 

[BCS PSU]

They did. They had the Heisman trophy winner for one. Compare last year's IU team to this year's, and right away you can see what a difference Mendoza made. He was not a diamond in the rough. He was paid for by Mark Cuban.

You're right that there's no comparison between Mendoza and the TCU transfer who's playing qb for IU this season; that's why I think that OSU is going to expose them this Saturday. However, I watched Mendoza play several games for Cal in 2024 and he had some good games like against Miami and he had some poor games like against FSU and Pitt; Cignetti did wonders with him because he just was a different player for IU and definitely wasn't a sure thing when got there.

Moreso than last season, the 2024 IU team definitely puched above their weight with a bunch of JMU transfers and a transfer qb from Ohio U. who was coming back from a serious knee injury.

 

[Indian rocks rich]

They did. They had the Heisman trophy winner for one. Compare last year's IU team to this year's, and right away you can see what a difference Mendoza made. He was not a diamond in the rough. He was paid for by Mark Cuban.

One player doesn’t win a championship. Qb doesn’t play defense. There were many no name players on that team.

 

[JerseyLion]

You're right that there's no comparison between Mendoza and the TCU transfer who's playing qb for IU this season; that's why I think that OSU is going to expose them this Saturday. However, I watched Mendoza play several games for Cal in 2024 and he had some good games like against Miami and he had some poor games like against FSU and Pitt; Cignetti did wonders with him because he just was a different player for IU and definitely wasn't a sure thing when got there.

Cignetti is special, but there is only one of him. He also isn't a miracle worker. There was a lot of talent on IU's team last year, and there is plenty this year. The talent on PSU's current team is not there at all.....or injured.

 

[BCS PSU]

Cignetti is special, but there is only one of him. He also isn't a miracle worker. There was a lot of talent on IU's team last year, and there is plenty this year. The talent on PSU's current team is not there at all.....or injured.

Well, considering that IU went undefeated, beat teams like OSU, Oregon twice and Miami, and won the NC, they obviously had a lot of talent. There's no comparison at all between that IU team and this season's PSU team. There are more similarities between the situations that Cignetti inherited in 2024 and Campbell inherited this season, but of course, as hs been very common with PSU athletics lately, the results have been vstly different.