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let me get on my soap box.
The way the media coverage hs football in this state is awful. All outlets wether its the Harold/comcast, they all just go through the motion and provide no depth. Thank god we have edgy, the only person who seams to put pride in their work. Ex. off thr top of my head are having Garret Wolfe as a sideline reporter, constantly getting score updates wrong, and broadcasters having no idea about x's and o's in football or anything about the team except a cliff note paragraph they read before they go on air and then they try to squeeze their narrative in. I understand it's only high school football but that does not give an excuse for giving a bad product, especially when we live in Illinois and have the 3rd most populous city in America. Illinois should have a higher standard when it comes to football. For a state with our population (roughly the same size as ohio/florida, we should cover the sport in the same way) I feel like we only have our guy edgy who give said us that depth we thirst for. I understand if this was Iowa/Montana or something but as a state we should be better, the media needs to be better, the IHSA needs to be better.
As for Hub Archish, he is excellent for NFL insight and really know football. How well does he know about the current landscape of Illinois football? probably not much. But what I'm saying it could be much much worse, Hub is a professional media person and knows football, so it should be barable.
The one year they got it right was when they had Matt Bowen in the booth. Some of the finest hs analyst I've ever heard during a hs game. Too bad it was just one year.
If I hear one more narrative how, " not only is this kid an all star on the field, but he is an all star off the field" narrative I think I'm going to vomit.
I was thinking of just relaxing on Saturday and watching the games at home but then when I watched that WV vs Marist game, I thought my ears were going to explode with how bad the analysis was, just awful. It made my choice clear to make the hour drive to dekalb.
The way the media coverage hs football in this state is awful. All outlets wether its the Harold/comcast, they all just go through the motion and provide no depth. Thank god we have edgy, the only person who seams to put pride in their work. Ex. off thr top of my head are having Garret Wolfe as a sideline reporter, constantly getting score updates wrong, and broadcasters having no idea about x's and o's in football or anything about the team except a cliff note paragraph they read before they go on air and then they try to squeeze their narrative in. I understand it's only high school football but that does not give an excuse for giving a bad product, especially when we live in Illinois and have the 3rd most populous city in America. Illinois should have a higher standard when it comes to football. For a state with our population (roughly the same size as ohio/florida, we should cover the sport in the same way) I feel like we only have our guy edgy who give said us that depth we thirst for. I understand if this was Iowa/Montana or something but as a state we should be better, the media needs to be better, the IHSA needs to be better.
As for Hub Archish, he is excellent for NFL insight and really know football. How well does he know about the current landscape of Illinois football? probably not much. But what I'm saying it could be much much worse, Hub is a professional media person and knows football, so it should be barable.
The one year they got it right was when they had Matt Bowen in the booth. Some of the finest hs analyst I've ever heard during a hs game. Too bad it was just one year.
If I hear one more narrative how, " not only is this kid an all star on the field, but he is an all star off the field" narrative I think I'm going to vomit.
I was thinking of just relaxing on Saturday and watching the games at home but then when I watched that WV vs Marist game, I thought my ears were going to explode with how bad the analysis was, just awful. It made my choice clear to make the hour drive to dekalb.
I guess I am happy to be going to the field. Sounds like this is not going to be pretty for the home viewer.
This does make you the front runner in the annual who loves Edgy the most race.
This does make you the front runner in the annual who loves Edgy the most race.
Didn't Bowen do game of the week one year also? I agree, great job.
I agree that Matt Bowen did an amazing job when he sat in.
It is one thing to praise a play that works, but it is another thing altogether to describe in precise detail why a play worked. Bowen is superb at that.
It is one thing to praise a play that works, but it is another thing altogether to describe in precise detail why a play worked. Bowen is superb at that.
I could not agree more WestSuburb, your whole post. And Matt Bowen was just ridiculously good with his analysis. I recall him doing the MC/GBN game several years ago, the guy spouted out more accurate information in one play than the other guys do in a whole game.
The announcers on the comcast games through the playoffs have been terrible. Is there no way they can get a coach from a school in the area that is well known, and well liked to do some analyst work during the finals games? Pay the guy some money, and actually have someone who can use correct terminology during the broadcast.
I forgot what year but he was in the booth for all the state games one year. It was fantastic.
I heard him interview on the score, he said one of his is that one day he want to be a head HS coach. He says he isn't ready and needs a couple years to learn as an assistant. But if im an AD I am blowing up his phone and hiring him right damn now. I coach a team that plays IC grade school and talked to some of the coaches who know the ins on the IC program and they say players love him and that his x's and o's are above and beyond most HS coaches and the way he communicates with his players is suppose unbelievable.
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I hear ya, gooms, but he has to be better than Jack McInerney. Then again, that's not saying much.
While I agree you do need someone to be an analyst who knows the game, you are forgetting something that is HUGE in broadcasting...personality and delivery. I can't tell you HOW many times I have listened to a play-by-play or analyst broadcaster who was well schooled in knowledge but was AWFUL at broadcasting, a.k.a Ed Farmer and Darrin Jackson. That, my friends, will kill a broadcast as quickly as lack of knowledge to the common viewer.
I will give you an example right here that may get me in a little trouble, but I am being honest. The host of this board, Edgy, has probably forgotten more about high school football than anyone here posting. That is a given, But, I had the chance to hear him broadcast on the radio and quite frankly he is well below average as far as projecting a personality or in his delivery. It is NOT as easy as some of you think. Knowledge only gets a person in the door. When the broadcast starts you had better be able to deliver what is required. You have to be able to reach out and grab an audience.
Please understand, I am NOT taking a personal swipe at Edgy. I am just being objective and broadcasting is just not what he does best. And I am sure it isn't what I do best either, I have never tried it. But, like all of you, I do pay attention to what is being said and how it's delivered. I don't give a damn what a guy knows. If he can't deliver it well and doesn't bring any excitement and personality to the broadcast, I am not going to watch or listen. At the same time you can't have an "entertainer" on there without any knowledge either.
I don't know who Matt Bowen is and I have never heard him broadcast. But without hearing him, and if you guys liked him so much, I will guarantee he knew how to make the broadcast better with his personality and delivery as well as his knowledge.
As far as Arkush goes, I thought he was OK when he was on the radio for the Bears games. But that was the NFL. Like it or not the reality seems to be that in the scheme of things, high school football and the broadcasting of it isn't very high on the priority list of a lot of people. Maybe they can do a better job, but I don't think they feel it is all that important, which is probably why we are getting this result.
I will give you an example right here that may get me in a little trouble, but I am being honest. The host of this board, Edgy, has probably forgotten more about high school football than anyone here posting. That is a given, But, I had the chance to hear him broadcast on the radio and quite frankly he is well below average as far as projecting a personality or in his delivery. It is NOT as easy as some of you think. Knowledge only gets a person in the door. When the broadcast starts you had better be able to deliver what is required. You have to be able to reach out and grab an audience.
Please understand, I am NOT taking a personal swipe at Edgy. I am just being objective and broadcasting is just not what he does best. And I am sure it isn't what I do best either, I have never tried it. But, like all of you, I do pay attention to what is being said and how it's delivered. I don't give a damn what a guy knows. If he can't deliver it well and doesn't bring any excitement and personality to the broadcast, I am not going to watch or listen. At the same time you can't have an "entertainer" on there without any knowledge either.
I don't know who Matt Bowen is and I have never heard him broadcast. But without hearing him, and if you guys liked him so much, I will guarantee he knew how to make the broadcast better with his personality and delivery as well as his knowledge.
As far as Arkush goes, I thought he was OK when he was on the radio for the Bears games. But that was the NFL. Like it or not the reality seems to be that in the scheme of things, high school football and the broadcasting of it isn't very high on the priority list of a lot of people. Maybe they can do a better job, but I don't think they feel it is all that important, which is probably why we are getting this result.
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Susannah's sex comment aside, I dare you to check out this whole vid with Sarah and then tell me you think that Susannah is worthy to hold Sarah's bra strap:
I really cannot stand Hub Arkush, Not a fan of Matt Bowen but really enjoy Jack McInerney.
I guess I'm in the minority here.
If I could make my choice of someone new I'd choose these exciting guys from Texas....
Wassup
I guess I'm in the minority here.
If I could make my choice of someone new I'd choose these exciting guys from Texas....
Wassup
I don't think there has been a crazier game that's ever been played like that one.
He sounds like a clean-living Doug Buffone (RIP). Doesnt have the west DuPage dialect, likely from Chicago refugees.
I knew that. Thats why I remarked that he sounded more less like somebody from west DuPage or further west than he did with some fam or upbringing in Chicawgo proper.
Test - does he say Illinois or Ellinois?
After all these years, McInerney still calls my school "Mont" Carmel - which is almost as bad as Kenny McReynolds saying, "Marnt" Carmel.
I come from a place of no accents, but love trying to discern regional dialects. I will start listening closer
Grew up in Northern Va. Moved to Austin TX in 92, then Atlanta in 96, then Philly in '99 and finally Chicago in '10
10 years Phuckin Philly, I'm sure Chip Kelly feels now like I felt in '10
Hub has not been too bad. Struggling with the invisible numbers and didn't realize the clock was running after the penalty when Libertyville called a TO but otherwise decent analyst
Was just thinking the same thing I think the broadcast has been pretty good for the Loyola game.
Hub is fine. He has covered football for decades and knows the game. He was in the booth for Bears games for years. I think he can handle doing a couple of high school games.
At least Hub didn't say "running downhill" every other run. Matt, while being quite knowledgable (understatement of the year), his delivery made me put the tv on mute a couple of times. When announcers start recalling their playing days, I get turned off. And that goes for a couple of the ESPN guys, too. I agree that a prepared, professional announcer is needed. M B could be the color guy as long as he sprinkled the seasoning without overdoing it.