Can PSU win 3 more games

KingLando

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Wow, really looking perfect so far. It did nothing but put the program in a far worse position than it was. The timing was the opposite of perfect.
What are you talking about? There was zero chance we'd have a coach by now. He correctly fired Franklin after the Northwestern game--probably should have fired him after UCLA.

What negative impact happened by firing him midseason vs the end of the year?

I have no idea how you think we're in a worse position for firing him early--the class was collapsing anyway.
 

Mufasa94

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Wow, really looking perfect so far. It did nothing but put the program in a far worse position than it was. The timing was the opposite of perfect.
The timing has allowed Franklin’s reputation to not take as big of a hit as it deserved to have with these losses piling up.

The good part is someone will hire him and PSU may only be on the hook for the remainder of this year’s $$$.
 
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Woodpecker

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I don’t think the roster is devoid of talent. I think they lack direction and motivation. That’s on the coaching staff. 100%. I agree with that. But saying this roster has no talent is a bit misguided.
I don't know. Does it take talent to cover receivers or block a pass rusher or were those guys simply not motivated or lacking direction on how to do so yesterday? Motivationally, their hopes at future employment in the NFL (or CFL or UFL) should be sufficient but that went down the drain with yesterday's audition.
 

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Those that have played 4 games already have zero incentive to do that
Guys like Allen and Singleton aren't opting out during the regular season--though any minor injury and they should sit.
Literally--just playing for fun now
I agree with you specifically about Singleton. But ignoring the reality of this option is naive.
 

KingLando

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I agree with you specifically about Singleton. But ignoring the reality of this option is naive.
Singleton, more than anyone, needs to play and hope he has some level of success.
I still maintain the NFL couldn't care less about players opting out of bowl games (they know what a joke they are) but they'll view opting out of the playoff or regular season games very differently. It's why no one has done so to this point.
And, no, entering the portal like Beau isn't option out of a playoff. Though he should have stayed until the end like everyone else.
 

LB99

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I don't know. Does it take talent to cover receivers or block a pass rusher or were those guys simply not motivated or lacking direction on how to do so yesterday? Motivationally, their hopes at future employment in the NFL (or CFL or UFL) should be sufficient but that went down the drain with yesterday's audition.
The knock on Knowles in his first year at OSU was that they gave up large amounts of chunk plays. This is what we are seeing currently. And yes, they do lack direction and motivation. Their goals went out the window with the Oregon loss and the coach that recruited them got fired two weeks later. It’s a sh^tshow now and there’s no going back.
 

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I don’t think the roster is devoid of talent. I think they lack direction and motivation. That’s on the coaching staff. 100%. I agree with that. But saying this roster has no talent is a bit misguided.
This roster has the highest blue chip ratio of any team in PSU history since it's been tracked. There is plenty of talent there.
 

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Count on it. Most bigtime programs will take their foot off the pedal when the game is already decided - not Cignetti and Indiana. He's starting to rub many B1G programs and coaches the wrong way..........especially the lower programs
Oh well. If you don't like it, get your team to put a stop to it on the field. With the playoff being done subjectively by committee eyeballs there's no reason for teams not to run it up and give themselves the best possible appearance to the committee.
 

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The timing has allowed Franklin’s reputation to not take as big of a hit as it deserved to have with these losses piling up.

The good part is someone will hire him and PSU may only be on the hook for the remainder of this year’s $$$.
So what? Even if true, if we know we are going to fire Franklin because he's failing PSU why do we care one iota about what is subjective reputation is, as perceived by others? All we should care about is doing what's we think is right for PSU, full stop.
 

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Sure--but the alternative is you want to be mid
I don't care if we're consistently 7-5 or 10-2. Neither is good enough
Exactly. With the playoffs, 10-2 needs to be the floor. 9-3 or lower and you're going to a regular bowl game.

And the thing is, you really need to be 1 loss, maybe 2 (I think undefeated is unrealistic with the competition these days), and you need to demonstrate that you can win against top competition at least 50% of the time. Otherwise, you're not beating the competition when you do get to the top.
 
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KingLando

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Exactly. With the playoffs, 10-2 needs to be the floor. 9-3 or lower and you're going to a regular bowl game.

And the thing is, you really need to be 1 loss, maybe 2 (I think undefeated is unrealistic with the competition these days), and you need to demonstrate that you can win against top competition at least 50% of the time. Otherwise, you're not beating the competition when you do get to the top.
I'd have been happy beating 1 of Indiana, Oregon and Ohio State this year if he had won the rest--and then winning a playoff game against a team better than SMU/Boise State. He just wasn't capable of winning big games and then he lost the team completely after the Oregon loss
 
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Let me first state that I was not in favor of firing James Franklin; however, that being water under the bridge, there will be a [hopefully] temporary delay for [hopefully] long-term improvement. Anyone who didn’t expect that following Franklin’s termination is niave or just doesn’t think things through.
 
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I agree three of four are winnable. Nebraska's QB Riola left their game vs USC last night with an injury. Don't know the severity of it, but that would make the QB play more even in our game if he is out. They are already bowl-eligible. Now they're playing for a better tier of bowl.

Right now, those 3 opponents are looking at us and saying it's a winnable game for them, even Mich. State out there.
Rutgres is at 4-5 (1-5 in their last 6 games) with Maryland, Ohio State, and us remaining. The best they can hope for is 6-6.
To get there... who knows vs. inconsistent Maryland (4-4, with 4 straight losses), OSU is a loss for them.... their game vs us might mean bowl eligibility for the winner, and I suspect Rutgres will be far more motivated to earn a bowl spot than we will be. (I think if we go 6-6, we may be feeling 'ugh. we HAVE to go to a lesser bowl?').

Interesting point about the NIL commitments. I don't know how those are structured wrt opt-outs and entering the portal. We may find out in a few weeks.
As a business you would have to be stupid to do a lump sum payment up front on NIL. I would think installments over time with legal language that makes both sides accountable would be the norm but it's still the wild west so who knows if a player can just walk and still get everything they negotiated for NIL. I doubt that Ram Truck or Venmo is gonna take Drew's money away just because he got hurt but the stuff from the collective might be performance/participation based. Same for every other player
 

Catch1lion

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While I wish the qb a quick recovery , this improves our odds against the Huskers
 

Ludd

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Sure--but the alternative is you want to be mid
I don't care if we're consistently 7-5 or 10-2. Neither is good enough
10-2 is far better than 7-5 and if you don’t see that, then you have a serious problem. 10-2 gets you in the playoffs, 7-5 doesn’t. If you’re only going to accept 12-0, you might want to find a new hobby.
 

Mufasa94

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So what? Even if true, if we know we are going to fire Franklin because he's failing PSU why do we care one iota about what is subjective reputation is, as perceived by others? All we should care about is doing what's we think is right for PSU, full stop.
Do you not understand the concept that the better his reputation, the more likely he is desired by someone else? More interest likely leads to more offers and less money PSU is eventually on the hook for.

I’m not saying you have to agree with the strategy/execution used by PSU, but your response makes it seem you don’t grasp the concept.

The “you should get what you deserve” part of me doesn’t agree with the strategy. I think he got off easier than deserved.
 

KingLando

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10-2 is far better than 7-5 and if you don’t see that, then you have a serious problem. 10-2 gets you in the playoffs, 7-5 doesn’t. If you’re only going to accept 12-0, you might want to find a new hobby.
IBoth are failures if you can't beat anyone in the playoff with a pulse. I dont expect 12-0 nor do I claim we must win a title. We simply need to have the ability to compete for one which wasn't possible under James.

It's like the Steelers. Winning 9 or 10 games every year and losing in first round just keeps you mediocre and you never compete. It's why Watt has never won a playoff game in his career. At some point you strive for more. We hit that wall with James.
 
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Do you not understand the concept that the better his reputation, the more likely he is desired by someone else? More interest likely leads to more offers and less money PSU is eventually on the hook for.

I’m not saying you have to agree with the strategy/execution used by PSU, but your response makes it seem you don’t grasp the concept.

The “you should get what you deserve” part of me doesn’t agree with the strategy. I think he got off easier than deserved.
Franklin would have gotten another job immediately whether we fired him after NW or at the end of the season. And his 8.5M buyout will in all likelihood be entirely covered by his new salary offsetting it because the coaching market is about to get a massive reset, and Franklin's salary was already only about top 15 or so. Now all he'll need is a top 25 salary to completely nullify the offset, which he'll get without much issue at any P4 school. I highly doubt that PSU decided to fire him when they did because of the offset clause. They fired him because the team was a complete failure on the field all season after massive payments to retain a senior heavy team were secured, he apparently went behind Kraft's back for a contract, and the home game environment became so toxic that it would have been insane to allow it to continue for another game.
 
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10-2 is far better than 7-5 and if you don’t see that, then you have a serious problem. 10-2 gets you in the playoffs, 7-5 doesn’t. If you’re only going to accept 12-0, you might want to find a new hobby.
Agree. I believe OSU was 10-2 last year..........and we know what happened in the Playoffs
 

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This team will be fortunate to win another game. Probably Nebraska or Rutgers
MSU played with a backup qb yesterday and struggled to score against a Minnesota team that gave up a lot of points last week to Iowa. Nebraska now is going to be playing with a backup qb. The Rutgers game probably will be played in front of a small crowd and could be a de facto home game. If PSU plays even like they did in the Iowa game and the first half of the OSU game, it can win all of those games. With that said, considering how this season has gone, I wouldn’t expect that to happen.
 
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Are they checked out?

MSU played with a backup qb yesterday and struggled to score against a Minnesota team that gave up a lot of points last week to Iowa. Nebraska now is going to be playing with a backup qb. The Rutgers game probably will be played in front of a small crowd and could be a de facto home game. If PSU plays even like they did in the Iowa game and the first half of the OSU game, it can win all of those games. With that said, considering how this season has gone, I wouldn’t expect that to happen.
Maybe your optimism is correct. We have a backup QB. And we apparently have OC and DC “in-training”. Absolutely nothing is a given.
 

BCS PSU

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Maybe your optimism is correct. We have a backup QB. And we apparently have OC and DC “in-training”. Absolutely nothing is a given.
All that I’m saying is that there should be opportunities to win the last three games if this team comes to play, but I wouldn’t bet any money on it.
 

KingLando

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Agree. I believe OSU was 10-2 last year..........and we know what happened in the Playoffs
And Day might not be there today had they not won at least 2 games. Some believe he needed the title to stay.
 

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I'm afraid they gave everything they had for that first half and will be too beaten down to give Indiana much of a game.
 

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Even if, by some miracle, they beat Nebraska, Michigan State and Rutgers and be toilet bowl eligible I am not convinced they would be able to field a competitive team after the seniors sit out and many of the underclassmen enter the portal

If they do go to a bowl, it will be a depleted roster. the only plus side is the extra practice and then treat the bowl game as a scrimmage
 

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IBoth are failures if you can't beat anyone in the playoff with a pulse. I dont expect 12-0 nor do I claim we must win a title. We simply need to have the ability to compete for one which wasn't possible under James.

It's like the Steelers. Winning 9 or 10 games every year and losing in first round just keeps you mediocre and you never compete. It's why Watt has never won a playoff game in his career. At some point you strive for more. We hit that wall with James.
Please define “the ability to compete for a title”. What does that entail?
 

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Exactly. With the playoffs, 10-2 needs to be the floor. 9-3 or lower and you're going to a regular bowl game.

And the thing is, you really need to be 1 loss, maybe 2 (I think undefeated is unrealistic with the competition these days), and you need to demonstrate that you can win against top competition at least 50% of the time. Otherwise, you're not beating the competition when you do get to the top.
Kind of eliminates every coaching option out there.
 
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Ludd

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Oh well. If you don't like it, get your team to put a stop to it on the field. With the playoff being done subjectively by committee eyeballs there's no reason for teams not to run it up and give themselves the best possible appearance to the committee.
Spoken like every other person who’s never coached a team in their life.
 
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Please define “the ability to compete for a title”. What does that entail?
Beating other good teams with some regularity--25% would be good. Under Franklin, it was a guaranteed loss.
 

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MSU played with a backup qb yesterday and struggled to score against a Minnesota team that gave up a lot of points last week to Iowa. Nebraska now is going to be playing with a backup qb. The Rutgers game probably will be played in front of a small crowd and could be a de facto home game. If PSU plays even like they did in the Iowa game and the first half of the OSU game, it can win all of those games. With that said, considering how this season has gone, I wouldn’t expect that to happen.
Don’t forget we’re playing with a backup QB as well.
 

Ludd

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And Day might not be there today had they not won at least 2 games. Some believe he needed the title to stay.
If OSU had listened to the fans, Day would have been gone a long time ago which is why you don’t listen to fans.
 
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