Card fans are clueless as usual

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

This come from one of several threads on the card board about Damien Harris.



Cardinal Jim

Harris isn't a 5 star outside of Ky. In Florida he might be 3 a star based on the competition. You don't find true 5 star recruits in "Nowhere Kentucky". Tim Couch from Hyden was seen as a can't miss prospect as a QB and Curry had him running the option. I liken Harris to Ervin Stepp or Todd May in basketball. Stats are pumped up because he faced absolutely zero competition. But but the camps, everyone in the camps loves his ability. Just because he gets it done in camps doesn't mean it will happen between the lines. If the kid goes to Ohio State or Alabama, he has a shot. If he chooses kentucky, chances are he'll be the next Elam or Hatcher before he is a real game changer.
CJ




Thanks for the insight Cardinal Jim.

Why would Saban and Meyer recruit a RB that "might be a 3* in your mind?" Um, because he is a 5*. Maybe this guy should just give Bama and OSU a call and tell them about the mistake they are making. Maybe he should also tell them that just because Harris gets it done in big time camps and an All America game going against some of the best HS competition in the country, it doesn't really mean anything. Is it jealousy or ignorance? You decide.
This post was edited on 1/5 1:54 PM by gobigblue812

 

[JHB4UK]

clueless is kind. Tim Couch is used as the example of a Ky HS kid being overrated? A player who after only 3 years in college was the overall #1 NFL draft pick?

 

[larry the cable guy]

Originally posted by gobigblue812:

This come from one of several threads on the card board about Damien Harris.



Cardinal Jim

Harris isn't a 5 star outside of Ky. In Florida he might be 3 a star based on the competition. You don't find true 5 star recruits in "Nowhere Kentucky". Tim Couch from Hyden was seen as a can't miss prospect as a QB and Curry had him running the option. I liken Harris to Ervin Stepp or Todd May in basketball. Stats are pumped up because he faced absolutely zero competition. But but the camps, everyone in the camps loves his ability. Just because he gets it done in camps doesn't mean it will happen between the lines. If the kid goes to Ohio State or Alabama, he has a shot. If he chooses kentucky, chances are he'll be the next Elam or Hatcher before he is a real game changer.
CJ




Thanks for the insight Cardinal Jim.

Why would Saban and Meyer recruit a RB that "might be a 3* in your mind?" Um, because he is a 5*. Maybe this guy should just give Bama and OSU a call and tell them about the mistake they are making. Maybe he should also tell them that just because Harris gets it done in big time camps and an All America game going against some of the best HS competition in the country, it doesn't really mean anything. Is it jealousy or ignorance? You decide.

This post was edited on 1/5 1:54 PM by gobigblue812

Yes

 

[Comebakatz3]

"Tim Couch from Hyden was seen as a can't miss prospect as a QB and Curry had him running the option."

I really want to know what his logic here is and what it has to do with anything. Is he trying to say that Tim Couch was overrated? Not sure how you can go from No. 1 QB (possible No. 1 overall) prospect to overall No. 1 draft pick and be overrated. Sure, his skill didn't translate to the NFL, but high school rankings doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be guaranteed NFL pro bowlers. Even if he wasn't successful in the NFL he still got a fat No. 1 draft pick overall paycheck, an extremely hot wife, and now a gig with Fox Sports. I'd say that he has done pretty well for himself. If Harris follows that exact same path he'll lead a pretty happy life.

Or is this guy trying to argue that UK didn't put Tim Couch in a position to succeed because Curry had him running the option. Is Curry still here? Didn't Tim Couch leave UK a year early as an All American and the No. 1 overall draft pick? Is this guy an idiot? Yes to all of those.

 

[bluejohnson_rivals107240]

Yea, he stunk in the UA game only getting about 112 yds on about 16 carries, including a 37 yd td run....yea, cardinal Jim is right as usual!

 

[Rhavic]

You'd think recruiting sites have a pretty decent idea on how to rank recruits based on the SOS in their state, vs other states around the country.
Harris did have a phenomenal performance in the UA All-American game, where most players are top 5 in their position, top 20 with WR's and DB's.
He thrived against the best talent in the country in that game, to say that he's a 3* recruit is far-and-away the most ignorant thing I've heard in a while.
I have no doubt he believes that 3* Jeremy Smith from Cali (Louisville commit) is a better RB. Foolish.

 

[bandfan1]

Another Zipp Zapp and sherry roids wanna be. They are just pi$$ed because Harris wound not look at them, like Elam, he didn't look at them either so they just spew a bunch of venom. Sad really

 

[Rhavic]

Hahahaha! Now they say the only reason that Harris is talking to UK is because Calipari, and WWW is in his ear. Watch out everybody, we're going to send a 5* RB to the NBA according to 'Cards fans

Such a stupid group of people.

 

[Hacksaw Cat]

Originally posted by gobigblue812:

This come from one of several threads on the card board about Damien Harris.



Cardinal Jim

Harris isn't a 5 star outside of Ky. In Florida he might be 3 a star based on the competition. You don't find true 5 star recruits in "Nowhere Kentucky". Tim Couch from Hyden was seen as a can't miss prospect as a QB and Curry had him running the option. I liken Harris to Ervin Stepp or Todd May in basketball. Stats are pumped up because he faced absolutely zero competition. But but the camps, everyone in the camps loves his ability. Just because he gets it done in camps doesn't mean it will happen between the lines. If the kid goes to Ohio State or Alabama, he has a shot. If he chooses kentucky, chances are he'll be the next Elam or Hatcher before he is a real game changer.
CJ


WOW, I am in awe of how pathetic this lowlife group of morons can be. Hate can eat you up, and Loserville fans are ate up with it.

This is one of those times I wish I was not banned from their board

 

[WildcatDJ]

They're just trying to make themselves feel better, just in case he picks UK.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[ghorn]

Realize that a recent Card Chronicle article talked about how UofL is closing in on perhaps its best recruiting class ever.
Made up almost exclusively of 3 star guys, and maybe ranking fifth or sixth in the ACC when the dust settles.

Just think about THAT when they talk about UK's higher ranking kids, and higher ranking classes.

They are amassing talent that is solidly in the middle of the conference they're in now, and its gonna show.

 

[JHB4UK]

Originally posted by ghorn19:

They are amassing talent that is solidly in the middle of the conference they're in now, and its gonna show.

talent far behind what UK is amassing as well...all while the rich (and likely ill-gotten) hauls of the Strong & Clint Hurtt eras are slowly slipping through their fingers. Another UL underclassmen shockingly declared for NFL just this afternoon.

 

[PushupMan]

Originally posted by JHB4UK:

Originally posted by ghorn19:

They are amassing talent that is solidly in the middle of the conference they're in now, and its gonna show.

talent far behind what UK is amassing as well...all while the rich (and likely ill-gotten) hauls of the Strong & Clint Hurtt eras are slowly slipping through their fingers. Another UL underclassmen shockingly declared for NFL just this afternoon.

James Sample was a JC transfer last summer (so a Petrino recruit, not a Strong/Hurtt recruit). Basically, Sample is yet another indication that the recruiting ranking system is flawed - he was a 5.6, 3-star recruit last summer, yet he comes in and starts day 1 at Louisville, leads UofL in tackles and will be drafted perhaps as high as the third round.

If Louisville's four 3-star 5.6 rated JC transfer recruits that are joining the program next week are as good as Sample was this year, watch out!

And for the record, Harris is the real deal - an outstanding talent. If UK can land him, Cat fans should throw a party.

 

[ktbug]

If you are depending on jc's you are in trouble by and large.

 

[CatDaddy4daWin]

Pushup man is the epitome of the Cards fanbase who believe they'll be better next year after losing pretty much their entire offense and best defensive players. I don't think so.

I look forward to whooping that *** next year in Commonwealth. Cause it's coming.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Originally posted by Comebakatz3:
"Tim Couch from Hyden was seen as a can't miss prospect as a QB and Curry had him running the option."

I really want to know what his logic here is and what it has to do with anything. Is he trying to say that Tim Couch was overrated? Not sure how you can go from No. 1 QB (possible No. 1 overall) prospect to overall No. 1 draft pick and be overrated. Sure, his skill didn't translate to the NFL, but high school rankings doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be guaranteed NFL pro bowlers. Even if he wasn't successful in the NFL he still got a fat No. 1 draft pick overall paycheck, an extremely hot wife, and now a gig with Fox Sports. I'd say that he has done pretty well for himself. If Harris follows that exact same path he'll lead a pretty happy life.

Or is this guy trying to argue that UK didn't put Tim Couch in a position to succeed because Curry had him running the option. Is Curry still here? Didn't Tim Couch leave UK a year early as an All American and the No. 1 overall draft pick? Is this guy an idiot? Yes to all of those.

It had nothing to do with his skills not translating to the nfl

 

[Levibooty]

I've seen Tim Couch's wife I wonder how Cardinal Jim's wife compares. Just for grins.

 

[TBCat]

Originally posted by PushupMan:

Originally posted by JHB4UK:

Originally posted by ghorn19:

They are amassing talent that is solidly in the middle of the conference they're in now, and its gonna show.

talent far behind what UK is amassing as well...all while the rich (and likely ill-gotten) hauls of the Strong & Clint Hurtt eras are slowly slipping through their fingers. Another UL underclassmen shockingly declared for NFL just this afternoon.

James Sample was a JC transfer last summer (so a Petrino recruit, not a Strong/Hurtt recruit). Basically, Sample is yet another indication that the recruiting ranking system is flawed - he was a 5.6, 3-star recruit last summer, yet he comes in and starts day 1 at Louisville, leads UofL in tackles and will be drafted perhaps as high as the third round.

If Louisville's four 3-star 5.6 rated JC transfer recruits that are joining the program next week are as good as Sample was this year, watch out!

And for the record, Harris is the real deal - an outstanding talent. If UK can land him, Cat fans should throw a party.

3 star 5.6 rated isn't that low.. I would basically expect some of that rating to at least be in the conversation for a starting job in year 1 and should start at some point in their career. That's not to say the rating system isn't flawed because it is. AJ Stamps was basically unranked. He was given a 2 star ranking at the end because both UK and OSU were recruiting so they had to give him something.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

Jacques Patrick is the #2 RB and plays in Orlando, FL against much better competition but Harris was far better in the UA game. Just because you play lesser competition doesn't make you a lesser player

 

[Cats_2010]

Originally posted by CatDaddy4daWin:
Pushup man is the epitome of the Cards fanbase who believe they'll be better next year after losing pretty much their entire offense and best defensive players. I don't think so.

I look forward to whooping that *** next year in Commonwealth. Cause it's coming.

Cant really agree with you on that assessment. He has been as big of a voice of reason from the UofL side posting on our board than I have seen from anyone. Likewise when I see his post on the card's board it is the same. He post nothing over there he could not post here at all. If most posters were like him it would make hating them not near as much fun. Thankfully though they aren't.

 

[akaukswoosh]

I liken Harris to Ervin Stepp or Todd May in basketball.

LOLLOLLOL

 

[MychalG]

If Harris had UL in his final three, their fans would say he is the best RB since Barry Sanders and give him at least 9 stars but since he did not give them a sniff, he is suddenly overrated and not worthy of a scholarship to play D-1 FB.

 

[cookscats]

Just mad because he never considered UofL, plain and simple.....

 

[ktbug]

Nick Saban says he is good, but Card JIm says not. I go with Coach Saban!

 

[bandfan1]

Harris wouldn't fit in with Harley Bobs system so they aren't really interested,
I'm sure some nutcase over there has said that

 

[KYBallCoach]

I agree both Nick Saban amd Urban Myer (both winners of multiple national championships) thought Harris was worth their time to visit and offer a scholarship to their program.

 

[Poetax]

Originally posted by PushupMan:

James Sample was a JC transfer last summer (so a Petrino recruit, not a Strong/Hurtt recruit). Basically, Sample is yet another indication that the recruiting ranking system is flawed - he was a 5.6, 3-star recruit last summer, yet he comes in and starts day 1 at Louisville, leads UofL in tackles and will be drafted perhaps as high as the third round.

If Louisville's four 3-star 5.6 rated JC transfer recruits that are joining the program next week are as good as Sample was this year, watch out!

And for the record, Harris is the real deal - an outstanding talent. If UK can land him, Cat fans should throw a party.

Push, can you keep cardturd Jim under his rock, he makes the rest of you look stupid.

 

[ville 77]

OK a few Card fans think Harris is over rated but don't stereotype the comment as all Card fans. Many understand that Harris is believed to be a very good back. I expect he will be but at this point he is not even committed to UK.

As for the comments on stars the facts are very clear that in football the star system is very flawed and a guide at best. More 2 & 3 star kids are drafted every year than 4 & 5 star kids. Even the USA top 100 players in the country each year will be lucky to have a 50% to the NFL rate and they are supposed to be the best of them best.

UL fans that say this will be the schools best class are correct when it comes to class rank. UL should have atop 30 class and Charlie never had a class ranked better than 32 and most were in the 40's. If also a wrong assumption for you guys to think Strong recruited lots of 4 star players because that is not true. Most years he added 2-3 and the roster was built with 3 star kids just like Petrino is doing. Petrino had to scramble to put together a class in 4 weeks last year but he seemed to find some pretty decent non 4 star players last year. 5-6 of them played a lot this year.

The good news is we play each year so we can see how the recruits work out down the road. The Cats have a lot of 4 star Ohio & KY kids while UL is recruiting mostly 3 star kids from the South. I am not going to say the South players are better but I will say the Urban rebuilt OSU into a National Power by recruiting more kids from the South and far fewer from Ohio than the previous coaches did.

 

[UKRob 73]

Shaun Alexander played football in ky, he seemed to pan out all right.

 

[jauk11]

Originally posted by ville 77:

OK a few Card fans think Harris is over rated but don't stereotype the comment as all Card fans. Many understand that Harris is believed to be a very good back. I expect he will be but at this point he is not even committed to UK.

As for the comments on stars the facts are very clear that in football the star system is very flawed and a guide at best. More 2 & 3 star kids are drafted every year than 4 & 5 star kids. Even the USA top 100 players in the country each year will be lucky to have a 50% to the NFL rate and they are supposed to be the best of them best.

UL fans that say this will be the schools best class are correct when it comes to class rank. UL should have atop 30 class and Charlie never had a class ranked better than 32 and most were in the 40's. If also a wrong assumption for you guys to think Strong recruited lots of 4 star players because that is not true. Most years he added 2-3 and the roster was built with 3 star kids just like Petrino is doing. Petrino had to scramble to put together a class in 4 weeks last year but he seemed to find some pretty decent non 4 star players last year. 5-6 of them played a lot this year.

The good news is we play each year so we can see how the recruits work out down the road. The Cats have a lot of 4 star Ohio & KY kids while UL is recruiting mostly 3 star kids from the South. I am not going to say the South players are better but I will say the Urban rebuilt OSU into a National Power by recruiting more kids from the South and far fewer from Ohio than the previous coaches did.



To paint him as a three star is just showing your stupidity. "Harris is believed to be a very good back". LOL he has been ranked the best in the nation most of the year, injury probably hurt his ranking a little bit lately.

Maybe you ought to count how many 2 and 3 stars there are in the country compared to the 4 and 5 stars. Then again, if you think the NFL has room for all the 4 and 5 star players every year, maybe you should count them also. I counted the ones in Texas in 10 and they had 44 in that one state alone, plus a couple five stars.

I still think that UL fans would have been more excited about last years class if they had had 10 four stars like UK had instead of the ZERO they did get, although sounds like they did come close to getting Rhaheed. And so far you have ONE four star out of your 25 commits for 15, and are likely to lose him (a QB, how many does BP need?) per reports, and while they are ahead of UK for NOW they have 25 commits to UK's 17 so far, UK will pass them easily.

Charlie never had a class ranked 32nd, hurtt did, and that class was because all four of your four stars came from one city and over half the class from Florida-------oh, what a coincidence, the city those four four stars came from just happened to be the city where hurtt was helping the con artist get rid of the $930,000,000 he had to get rid of before going to prison.

Petirno had TWELVE commits decommit when he came in, sounds like a lot to drop out from a great football school like UL with a HOF coach coming in, LOL, and BP's replacements dropped the class average from a halfway respectable 5.612 to barely 3 star average of 5.550 or so. Meanwhile in 15 of the teams you have to compete with in your conference, FSU is averaging about a 5.850, Clemson about a four star average, and Clemson a 5.570 average. UK's average last year was almost at the 5.700 level, and is a respectable 5.647 right now, but could skyrocket if we get Harris, pretty sure they haven't taken a lot lately waiting on some of the recruits that can afford to wait.

This post was edited on 1/6 3:07 AM by jauk11

 

[jauk11]

Originally posted by ktbug:
Nick Saban says he is good, but Card JIm says not. I go with Coach Saban!

Yeah, but you have to realize that Saban is getting pretty desperate now, after losing his Heisman trophy winner and the even more talented five star behind him a few years ago he has only had one five star in 11, Yeldon a five star in 12, FOUR 6.0s in 13 including a 243# 4.5 Henry, a 6' 2" 232# five star in 14 (delayed until this spring), and only one four star in 15-----so far.

 

[theoledog]

Originally posted by ville 77:

OK a few Card fans think Harris is over rated but don't stereotype the comment as all Card fans. Many understand that Harris is believed to be a very good back. I expect he will be but at this point he is not even committed to UK.

As for the comments on stars the facts are very clear that in football the star system is very flawed and a guide at best. More 2 & 3 star kids are drafted every year than 4 & 5 star kids. Even the USA top 100 players in the country each year will be lucky to have a 50% to the NFL rate and they are supposed to be the best of them best.

UL fans that say this will be the schools best class are correct when it comes to class rank. UL should have atop 30 class and Charlie never had a class ranked better than 32 and most were in the 40's. If also a wrong assumption for you guys to think Strong recruited lots of 4 star players because that is not true. Most years he added 2-3 and the roster was built with 3 star kids just like Petrino is doing. Petrino had to scramble to put together a class in 4 weeks last year but he seemed to find some pretty decent non 4 star players last year. 5-6 of them played a lot this year.

The good news is we play each year so we can see how the recruits work out down the road. The Cats have a lot of 4 star Ohio & KY kids while UL is recruiting mostly 3 star kids from the South. I am not going to say the South players are better but I will say the Urban rebuilt OSU into a National Power by recruiting more kids from the South and far fewer from Ohio than the previous coaches did.

The post started by the original OP wasn't about who has better players. It was about UofL fans posting stupid shizzz over at Card Central... Until UK gets back to winning games against UofL the argument over who has better players is certainly skewd for Louisville... Makes no difference where you get players or how they rank... When you win you win because of better coaching and better players... Louisville has earned the right to talk trash... Kentucky needs to get better...

Now... Getting back to the original thread subject >>>>> UofL fans posting stupid shizzz over on Card Central......
I live in Louisville so my opportunities to hear stupid UofL fans is omnipresent... I certainly don't care to hear about Kentucky fans visit to the Land of Idiot... If Kentucky fans lived here perhaps they wouldn't consider trips to the Card Board so fascinating... Why not just tune in the TV to MSNBC, COPS, and Judge Judy? I don't care to hear about what they got going on over there and I'm ashamed of myself for having took the bait the OP threw out there...

But I love my brothers in red... "Father forgive them for they no not what they are doing"...
I don't quote the bible often but I need the strength of the Bible if I'm going to talk UofL fans

 

[RuppRevenge2]

I think Pushupman is a closet UL fan.

 

[TransyCat09]

Originally posted by ville 77:

As for the comments on stars the facts are very clear that in football the star system is very flawed and a guide at best. More 2 & 3 star kids are drafted every year than 4 & 5 star kids. Even the USA top 100 players in the country each year will be lucky to have a 50% to the NFL rate and they are supposed to be the best of them best.

No ish. There are about 800 2 and 3* players every class and about 250 4 and 5*. That's how odds work.

Did you know the majority of college students didn't top out their standardized test score? Must mean it's better to score low on your test. Have a better chance of getting into college

UL fans that say this will be the schools best class are correct when it comes to class rank. UL should have atop 30 class and Charlie never had a class ranked better than 32 and most were in the 40's. If also a wrong assumption for you guys to think Strong recruited lots of 4 star players because that is not true. Most years he added 2-3 and the roster was built with 3 star kids just like Petrino is doing. Petrino had to scramble to put together a class in 4 weeks last year but he seemed to find some pretty decent non 4 star players last year. 5-6 of them played a lot this year.

You're not getting a top 30 class this year. At least on Rivals. You already have a full class so your ranking will not go up unless you get some 5.7 3*s. You are currently ranked 28th and I count at least 6 schools that will pass you come NSD because of their low commits. Strong also recruited way better than you are saying. Of course his classes weren't FULL of 4*s, but his 3*s were usually ranked at their position with other BCS offers. Petrino's 3*s (transfers aside) have been lacking other BCS offers.

The good news is we play each year so we can see how the recruits work out down the road. The Cats have a lot of 4 star Ohio & KY kids while UL is recruiting mostly 3 star kids from the South. I am not going to say the South players are better but I will say the Urban rebuilt OSU into a National Power by recruiting more kids from the South and far fewer from Ohio than the previous coaches did.

Urban Meyer also "rebuilt" (they won a Sugar Bowl just two years prior to Urban arriving) using recruits that other BCS schools wanted. Right now you have 5-7 commits that other BCS schools were heavily recruiting. Apples to Oranges. Maybe a 4* from Florida is usually better than a 4* from Ohio, but a 4* from Ohio with Tennessee, Michigan State, and Wisconsin offers is usually better than a 3* from Florida with Memphis and Cincinnati offers

 

[johnnyrockets]

Yeah as for the "more 2 and 3 stars than 4 and 5 stars drafted" comment...

Tell you what, I'll take kids ranked 1-25 every year and you can have your pick of 25 consecutively ranked 3 star players every year. We'll see how it goes.

I HATE the argument when rankings come up: "Randall Cobb was a 2 star and (insert underachieving 5*) was a 5 star and look at them now!!!11!" Is EVERY 5* player going to wind up better than EVERY 2* player? Of course not. But does averaging higher ranked players, on balance, bode better than averaging lower ranked players? Of course.

 

[ManRoar]

Originally posted by jauk11:

Originally posted by ktbug:
Nick Saban says he is good, but Card JIm says not. I go with Coach Saban!

Yeah, but you have to realize that Saban is getting pretty desperate now, after losing his Heisman trophy winner and the even more talented five star behind him a few years ago he has only had one five star in 11, Yeldon a five star in 12, FOUR 6.0s in 13 including a 243# 4.5 Henry, a 6' 2" 232# five star in 14 (delayed until this spring), and only one four star in 15-----so far.

I think Saban is far from desperate. They have the #1 recruiting class tied up and are pretty much in contention for a title almost every single year lol.

C'mon man...

 

[Trublupopeye]

Reckon how many talent scout checks Cardinal Jim has checked in his day. The talent level between L-ville and Ky will be about the same this year with Ky jumping ahead after that. Unless Bobby brings in more criminal transfers?

 

[AVCat]

Cardinal Jim is a moron. I will take another Tim Couch, Jason Hatcher, and Matt Elam....Couch was one of the best to ever play here. The other two are very young and we're both very productive.