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shadow force

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I'm convinced this Cards team will not win another game this season. It's not because every other team is more talented and they are overmatched every game. No.

It's because this team is their own worst enemy. They keep shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly. They WILL find a way to lose even when they could've won. They will find new and inventive ways to turn the ball over to give every game away. The offense and defense are atrocious. The coaching and players, it's both at this point, are embarrassingly bad.
 
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Yes and this got me to thinking… when has a Power 5 basketball coach with only 2 wins ever returned for a next season? I can’t find one.
 
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Yep. I blame coaching on this as well. Its not like these players are years apart from each other in talent. They are all 18, 19 or 20 year olds. Most of the UofL players are 4 star recruits. There is no reason why UofL could not have 8 wins by now.
 
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Tenncard_rivals

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Despite the fact that I think most of us can see the glaring lack of coaching, I believe that our fan base is nearly irreconcilably fractured. It’s not too much of a stretch to say that it’s a microcosm of our society right now. Everyone is on one side or the other and there’s no sign of us being brought back together. In my opinion Kenny needs to go, but if is shown the door, there will be a large faction that loudly cries foul. Contrary to popular opinion, that is not something that goes away after year two or even year three. There will always be some reason that CKP hasn’t been allowed to get the job done, no matter how much time he’s given. This is the primary reason that I am so pessimistic about our program rebounding. We could bring in any of the very top coaches in the country, and we will still be a divided fan base with a cloud of negativity. I believe this is what happens when you make decisions based on ideology rather than fact.
 
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Tenncard said:
Despite the fact that I think most of us can see the glaring lack of coaching, I believe that our fan base is nearly irreconcilably fractured. It’s not too much of a stretch to say that it’s a microcosm of our society right now. Everyone is on one side or the other and there’s no sign of us being brought back together. In my opinion Kenny needs to go, but if is shown the door, there will be a large faction that loudly cries foul. Contrary to popular opinion, that is not something that goes away after year two or even year three. There will always be some reason that CKP hasn’t been allowed to get the job done, no matter how much time he’s given. This is the primary reason that I am so pessimistic about our program rebounding. We could bring in any of the very top coaches in the country, and we will still be a divided fan base with a cloud of negativity. I believe this is what happens when you make decisions based on ideology rather than fact.
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I think right now the two factions are - 1) fire him at end of season and 2) let’s see what happens in year 2 before we make a decision. I don’t see these two positions as being irrevocably fractured.
 
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Tenncard said:
Despite the fact that I think most of us can see the glaring lack of coaching, I believe that our fan base is nearly irreconcilably fractured. It’s not too much of a stretch to say that it’s a microcosm of our society right now. Everyone is on one side or the other and there’s no sign of us being brought back together. In my opinion Kenny needs to go, but if is shown the door, there will be a large faction that loudly cries foul. Contrary to popular opinion, that is not something that goes away after year two or even year three. There will always be some reason that CKP hasn’t been allowed to get the job done, no matter how much time he’s given. This is the primary reason that I am so pessimistic about our program rebounding. We could bring in any of the very top coaches in the country, and we will still be a divided fan base with a cloud of negativity. I believe this is what happens when you make decisions based on ideology rather than fact.
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I tend to agree. The next coach probably isn’t going to be wildly accepted. Let’s say he goes 15-15 or worst with no barriers. We are right back into the same conversation. When programs get to this point digging out is freaking hard. Ask Miami football and Indiana Basketball.

IMO you don’t act on KP unless you have a legit home run hire. He needs all his relationships and connections to start helping help him instead of sitting back and watching him drowned.
 
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Cards shot 53% from the field, 50% from 3 (9/18), 10 assists, and still lost in large part because of 19 TOs, many of them unforced.

Same thing again and again. They continue to literally give games away from unforced TOs and low BBIQ plays.

There are other factors like poor defense and offense but they still could've won this game and others despite that IF they could quit throwing the ball away. This team has become uncannily adept, in close games, at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I won't even get into their school record number of 20 point blowout losses.
 
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Knucklehank1 said:
I think right now the two factions are - 1) fire him at end of season and 2) let’s see what happens in year 2 before we make a decision. I don’t see these two positions as being irrevocably fractured.
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But say he wins eight or nine next year. Are his supporters going to agree he needs to go, or do they argue there was improvement and he needs year three? I believe the latter, and that it will go on for quite some time.
 
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LouisvilleKid79 said:
It’s looking that way. It’s one thing to be talking 2-30. It’s another thing if it becomes a reality. At this point, 1 or 2 more wins carry absolutely no weight.

It’s unbelievable how bad this has been.
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I totally agree. Been thinking the same thing all morning. :(

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it will be bad for many years. look at yesterday's game. players still don't know how to set a screen for El Ellis. when this happens Ellis ends up with two guys on him. and the big is out of position because he can't shoot the 3 pointer.
the big then has to run back to the post. lot of wasted movement here.
 
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But say he wins eight or nine next year. Are his supporters going to agree he needs to go, or do they argue there was improvement and he needs year three? I believe the latter, and that it will go on for quite some time.
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I think anything below a .500 record would get most in second camp to agree that he isn’t the person for the job. To be frank the more important number is season ticket renewals. I’m dropping my tickets for next year and will not renew them until respectable basketball is being played.
 
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Lighten up Francis Soyer. Enjoy the W.

Plenty of time to beat up the coaches tomorrow.
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Hey I hate being negative and feeling this way. I've been a UofL fan since the 70's and the product we have now is totally unacceptable and seeing the team celebrate in the locker room after beat a pitiful GT team that had lost 7 games in a row is sickening to me..
 
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totally unacceptable and seeing the team celebrate in the locker room after beat a pitiful GT team that had lost 7 games in a row is sickening to me..

I agree with that statement and the feeling that prompts it ............ that may provide just how lacking this staff is about mental approach and attitude about the players. Celebrating the event only brings humiliation to the fans, the coaches and on the players themselves.
 
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Cardiac Red said:
Hey I hate being negative and feeling this way. I've been a UofL fan since the 70's and the product we have now is totally unacceptable and seeing the team celebrate in the locker room after beat a pitiful GT team that had lost 7 games in a row is sickening to me..
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I’m a season ticket holder and have been pissed most of the season. That being said they damn well better have celebrated in the locker room. I hope they like the feeling of winning. I can tell you that the few fans that were at the game were celebrating.
 
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I’m a season ticket holder and have been pissed most of the season. That being said they damn well better have celebrated in the locker room. I hope they like the feeling of winning. I can tell you that the few fans that were at the game were celebrating.
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I mean what's next we rush the court and cut the nets down if we get lucky enough to beat a team over .500 ? This is Louisville basketball ! A top 7 or 8 program of all time ! Who are these fans and players that want to celebrate a win over a sub .500 team. So embarrassing for long time Cards fans..
 
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You're pissed if they win and you're pissed when they lose. I get it, the season is awful. We all get that. But for goodness sake fellas, let the guys enjoy the win. Withers played WELL. Kamar played WELL. The team didn't fold and lose by 20. It's not Louisville Basketball, but it's better than the alternative we have seen all season. Hopefully they can do it again Saturday! Go CARDS!
 
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After the win... "We will be better next year" That has to be Payne's quote of the year.

I would settle for ... next game.
 
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Cardiac Red said:
I mean what's next we rush the court and cut the nets down if we get lucky enough to beat a team over .500 ? This is Louisville basketball ! A top 7 or 8 program of all time ! Who are these fans and players that want to celebrate a win over a sub .500 team. So embarrassing for long time Cards fans..
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Well I’ve had season tix for decades and was happy to see a win. Was the most fun I’ve had at a game since the WKU game. It seemed like the other 6,000 people that joined me at the Yum felt the same. It’s ok to be pissed about the program and also be happy for a couple of hours.
 
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Celebrating after so much losing is a natural human response and these players are human beings. They know GT isn't very good but they also know they have lost to other not so good teams.

Excessive celebration would be worrisome but for one night feeling good about accomplishing something that has been so difficult to do is just fine with me.
 
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Knucklehank1 said:
Well I’ve had season tix for decades and was happy to see a win. Was the most fun I’ve had at a game since the WKU game. It seemed like the other 6,000 people that joined me at the Yum felt the same. It’s ok to be pissed about the program and also be happy for a couple of hours.
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I'm right there with you Hank. I've had season tickets for 40 years, and I'm not sure about next season. But while last night's game was not well-played, it was exciting and the crowd was into it and we actually had fun. There's still a lot of long-term issues to overcome, but there's no reason why everyone can't enjoy this one for a little bit.
 
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It was nice to see them win and close out a game. There is a lot that can be said about Tech, but I’m trying to enjoy the win. Rough.

Cards have another shot at a win on Saturday.
 
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Cardiac Red said:
Hey I hate being negative and feeling this way. I've been a UofL fan since the 70's and the product we have now is totally unacceptable and seeing the team celebrate in the locker room after beat a pitiful GT team that had lost 7 games in a row is sickening to me..
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Everyone, including the players, knows that this season has been absolutely terrible and unacceptable. That aside - I’m genuinely curious to know how else would you like the players to react to winning their first conference game after losing 7 in a row?
 
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Everyone, including the players, knows that this season has been absolutely terrible and unacceptable. That aside - I’m genuinely curious to know how else would you like the players to react to winning their first conference game after losing 7 in a row?
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How about just congratulating your teammates that played well and get back to work so maybe you can win another game this year... We beat a team with a losing record that had lost 7 straight and were playing without their leading rebounder.. This game was nothing to celebrate. We're better than that..
 
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Hayden3

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Cardiac Red said:
How about just congratulating your teammates that played well and get back to work so maybe you can win another game this year... We beat a team with a losing record that had lost 7 straight and were playing without their leading rebounder.. This game was nothing to celebrate. We're better than that..
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I disagree that you should just congratulate only the teammates that played well because the W goes under Louisville, not just one player or players.

You’re right they did beat a bad team, but after how bad this season has gone and how many losses they’ve taken I don’t know how you’d expect them to not be happy at all about any win. I also don’t think them celebrating after the game is going to be the deciding factor in whether they get back to work and win another game this year, but to each it’s own.
 
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