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OldasdirtDevil

Heisman
Nov 16, 2009
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skysdad said:
I really think Kyrie belongs in the top 3. I know he didn't play many games but the ones he did he was dominating. OFC
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That's what makes it tough, Sky, he played so few a games. But to me he was the most incredible freshman I had ever seen up to that point. He could get to the basket anytime he wanted. I don't know where to put him, but on sheer talent alone he seems like a top 3 or 4 one and done.

And, Hart, no doubt Zion is number one, at least to me.

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Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
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Kyrie would be top 3 had he been healthy the whole season. Of course a healthy Giles would have probably been up there too. It's a talented bunch of kids, for sure.
I don't think we got to see the best Carter either. He took somewhat of a backseat to Bagley, and I get it from an offensive angle. But Carter was that stud big man that was, in my opinion, more rounded than Marvin or Okafor.
 
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nets on nets on nets

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Kyrie is almost impossible to rate because of the small number of games he played. However, just based off of those games, he was unreal and would 100% be in the top 3 had he not had the stupid freak injury.

I'd have Wendell Carter JR slotted above Austin Rivers. Make Wendell the man on his team (like Austin was in 2012) and Wendell would have been an absolute monster.

Duval's ranking makes zero sense to me. He should be behind everyone on this list other than maybe Giles. Did the writer not watch the 2018 team? Gary Trent started every game and was better than Duval literally from day 1 through the end of the year. That is a pure head-scratcher.

His ranking is probably correct. But mannnn, Frank Jackson left so much on the table. He could have been a POY his sophomore year had he came back. The team he played on too didn't make any sense for him. Too many mouths to feed with Grayson, Luke, and Jayson all needing their shots as well. Throw Frank Jackson on the 2018 team or even the 2019 team for shooting and he would have been an absolute stud.
 
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SwatX1

Heisman
Jan 4, 2011
8,336
10,579
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Mac9192 said:
Kyrie would be top 3 had he been healthy the whole season. Of course a healthy Giles would have probably been up there too. It's a talented bunch of kids, for sure.
I don't think we got to see the best Carter either. He took somewhat of a backseat to Bagley, and I get it from an offensive angle. But Carter was that stud big man that was, in my opinion, more rounded than Marvin or Okafor.
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jwill133 said:
Kyrie is almost impossible to rate because of the small number of games he played. However, just based off of those games, he was unreal and would 100% be in the top 3 had he not had the stupid freak injury.

I'd have Wendell Carter JR slotted above Austin Rivers. Make Wendell the man on his team (like Austin was in 2012) and Wendell would have been an absolute monster.

Duval's ranking makes zero sense to me. He should be behind everyone on this list other than maybe Giles. Did the writer not watch the 2018 team? Gary Trent started every game and was better than Duval literally from day 1 through the end of the year. That is a pure head-scratcher.

His ranking is probably correct. But mannnn, Frank Jackson left so much on the table. He could have been a POY his sophomore year had he came back. The team he played on too didn't make any sense for him. Too many mouths to feed with Grayson, Luke, and Jayson all needing their shots as well. Throw Frank Jackson on the 2018 team or even the 2019 team for shooting and he would have been an absolute stud.
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I completely with the comments about Carter. I said many times that I thought we would have been better if Carter and Bags had not been on the floor at the same time. Now, obviously K has forgotten more about coaching than I’ll ever know, but I just felt like both of them being in there together was kind of wasting one of them, and also hurt Duvalls strengths. We’ll never know, but inageee, I don’t think we seen the best that Carter could be
 
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hart2chesson

Heisman
Oct 13, 2012
14,303
16,574
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OldasdirtDevil said:
That's what makes it tough, Sky, he played so few a games. But to me he was the most incredible freshman I had ever seen up to that point. He could get to the basket anytime he wanted. I don't know where to put him, but on sheer talent alone he seems like a top 3 or 4 one and done.

And, Hart, no doubt Zion is number one, at least to me.

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"No doubt" about it Dirt, one of those you think you'll never see again... OFC
 
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Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
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DukefanKY said:
I completely with the comments about Carter. I said many times that I thought we would have been better if Carter and Bags had not been on the floor at the same time. Now, obviously K has forgotten more about coaching than I’ll ever know, but I just felt like both of them being in there together was kind of wasting one of them, and also hurt Duvalls strengths. We’ll never know, but inageee, I don’t think we seen the best that Carter could be
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Agree about Duval too. Wrong team for his style of play. He was like watching a sports car drive with the park brake on.
 
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jamsession3

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Dec 4, 2005
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Duvall averaged 10.5pts and 5.6 on a loaded team...that had big chemistry problems. He deserved his spot. His body of worked validates his ranking.

Unfortunately, Duvall was not very likable and came across as selfish. But his social - emotional challenges should not interfere with his abilities.
 
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timo0402

Heisman
Feb 24, 2009
13,868
13,709
57
jamsession3 said:
Duvall averaged 10.5pts and 5.6 on a loaded team...that had big chemistry problems. He deserved his spot. His body of worked validates his ranking.

Unfortunately, Duvall was not very likable and came across as selfish. But his social - emotional challenges should not interfere with his abilities.
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Not sure i totally understand your stance here. I agree with the first paragraph but not sure i understand what the second paragraph means. Can you elaborate?
 
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jamsession3

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Dec 4, 2005
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timo0402 said:
Not sure i totally understand your stance here. I agree with the first paragraph but not sure i understand what the second paragraph means. Can you elaborate?
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Duval took a lot of heat for his decision making. In this system, Duval was expected to be a 'natural/traditional' pg with a 3pt shot. Duval was a combo guard that did not have an efficient 3pt shot. His facial expressions were at times show his frustration. There were also moments where he needed to be encouraged on the bench.

Many fans became very critical of his play and attitude.
 
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hart2chesson

Heisman
Oct 13, 2012
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jamsession3 said:
Duval took a lot of heat for his decision making. In this system, Duval was expected to be a 'natural/traditional' pg with a 3pt shot. Duval was a combo guard that did not have an efficient 3pt shot. His facial expressions were at times show his frustration. There were also moments where he needed to be encouraged on the bench.

Many fans became very critical of his play and attitude.
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I think he incurred a lot of heat (and rightly so) for his use of social media at halftime of the Duke-UNC game at Chapel Hill. Certainly not a good look self-promoting a dunk, certainly not at that moment. OFC
 
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nets on nets on nets

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jamsession3 said:
Duval took a lot of heat for his decision making. In this system, Duval was expected to be a 'natural/traditional' pg with a 3pt shot. Duval was a combo guard that did not have an efficient 3pt shot. His facial expressions were at times show his frustration. There were also moments where he needed to be encouraged on the bench.

Many fans became very critical of his play and attitude.
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Coming in, Duval was never expected to be a shooter. Everyone knew he couldn't shoot, including K, some though (like myself) thought maybe if he can just be average and be respected from the outside than that will open everything up for our 2 monsters in the middle. Ultimately, he was never respected from the outside (much like Tre Jones this past season) and it made things that much harder for the other 4 guys.
You're exactly right, K's system generally needs the PG to be a shooter, and Duval was the opposite of that.

Immature things like the UNC dunk, the preseason game suspension for skipping class definitely didn't help But IMO the frustration was pretty basic, he was a massive recruit (#3, #4, #5, #7 depending on your service, and on all of them he was the #1 PG in the country.) He was a better rated recruit than Tre Jones. Andddd he could barely stay in the starting lineup. He just didn't live up to the hype, and he definitely could have used a 2nd year in college. He was the classic "destoyed guys in HS by just being way quicker and more athletic than everyone else."

Ironically, Duval was the best Duke player on the floor in the Elite 8 against Kansas. They couldn't guard him, at all.
 
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tp394

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This gets said a lot but duval was just on the wrong duke team. He was a point guard who needed to get to the rim to be successful but with Wendell and Marvin in there it just clogged it too much for him. And he didn’t have a 3pt shot to fall back on. He disappointed but if he had been on a traditional duke team that only had one big playing usually i think it would be a different story. He wouldn’t have been phenomenal but he’d be better.
 
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jamsession3

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tp394 said:
This gets said a lot but duval was just on the wrong duke team. He was a point guard who needed to get to the rim to be successful but with Wendell and Marvin in there it just clogged it too much for him. And he didn’t have a 3pt shot to fall back on. He disappointed but if he had been on a traditional duke team that only had one big playing usually i think it would be a different story. He wouldn’t have been phenomenal but he’d be better.
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So here's what interesting about the 'Traditional Duke' team concept, Duval didn't even shoot the mid - range well. If Duval could just pull up at the free throw line and nail the shoot, having Marvin and Carter wouldn't be that big of a deal. It's just that you had to feed those two guys 'first', then get your shot. A Tyler Thornton pg would've worked with that team.
 
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jimlsumner

All-Conference
Oct 30, 2003
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If Grayson's Allen's last shot against Kansas zigs instead of zags, we're having a whole different conversation.

Game of inches and all that. More like a fraction of an inch.
 
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Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
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jimlsumner said:
If Grayson's Allen's last shot against Kansas zigs instead of zags, we're having a whole different conversation.

Game of inches and all that. More like a fraction of an inch.
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Very true. But that goes both ways. The UCF game we could have lost, and the Virginia Tech game could have went to over time.

The board would have melted down had that tip in by Dawkins went in.
 
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