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Tom McAndrew

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@KingLando and @katatonic2

Enough Already

I have a general guideline that I'll repeat for the 2 of you. Unless it's a game thread, or a PSU sport thread, by and large it's best to limit yourselves to 3 posts. Look at it like this: Post 1 -- you make a post, Post 2 -- you try to clarify or improve your argument, Post 3 -- if somebody is still disagreeing with you, either your point is inaccurate, or the two of you just agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

I'm taking no sides on who is correct or who is incorrect in your back and forth. At this point, I doubt anybody really cares, AND, you're messing up a thread that has nothing to do with whether or not Fitzgerald is a good coach.

Please just stop with the posts about Fitzgerald.
 

Nittering Nabob

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Tom in full attire taking out the trash.

 

Binder74

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^ You keep repeating the same thing without ever preferring any evidence? Lol

Why is that no one else seems to have knowledge that an offer was made and rejected?

Otoh, I've listed many reasons why Fitzgerald was way overrated by the National media (as is Tomlin) and can add many more reasons.
I hope you realize your trying to have a logical discussion with someone who's sole purpose is to just troll you. Just put him on ignore and live your life.
 

katatonic2

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Again, same for all coaches because when it doesn't work that's the complaint.
Ask Bama fans about their complaints about Saban and see if they claim he's making the same mistakes--hint they will say that
Stating facts isn't an excuse. No coach is perfect. Fitzgerald isn't Saban or Smart or Meyer. He's the best thing that ever happened to Northwestern football (arguably twice) and a great coach. We'll see how he does at Michigan State over the next 3 years and where he goes from there. He's probably got 20 years left in his career--maybe more.

C'mon - Pat isn't even close to being anywhere near the level of coach that Saban is, and Saban, while he certainly made mistakes from time to time, didn't make completely bone-headed ones, much less repeat them.

Saban, like his good pal, Belichick, are known for being the masters of attacking the opponents weak spots.

You can take it to the bank that they both would have attacked Army's weak spot (the secondary) instead of trying to beat the strength of Army's D (stopping the run), and one can be equally sure neither would keep making the same mistake over and over and over again.

Speaking of Saban, unlike Pat, Saban changed how he did things as the game changed.

Saban saw the game changing and that he could no longer win with a strong D and playing conservatively on O, which is why he brought in offensive masterminds like Kiffin and Sark.

Ironically Northwestern was on the cutting edge, being one of the earliest programs to use the spread O.

A certain someone by the name of Chip Kelly (then an assistant at UNH) visited Evanston to learn NU's version of the spread option (run by Kevin Wilson, who would later become the OC at Oklahoma, then HC at Indiana, then OC at dOSU).

Kelly had UNH's QB at the time learn the terminology, etc. - someone by the name of Ryan Day.

Another person, by the name of Urban Meyer (at the time, HC at Bowling Green) also visited Evanston to learn the spread O, and would go on to use with (with some variation) at Utah, Florida and finally dOSU.

Hence, the circle of life with Day, Kelly and Wilson all having landed at dOSU at a certain point.

The irony is that a few years later, Kelly, then HC of UNH, would use that very same O to beat the Cats now coached by someone by the name of Pat Fitzgerald who had abandoned the spread option, with the Cats only being able to muster 17 points compared to the 34 pts that UNH ran up.

There were some good QBs like Dan Persa, Mike Kafka (now, interim HC of the NY Giants) in his senior year and Trevor Siemian - who managed to cover for insipid scheme and playing calling by long NU OC (under Pat), McCall.

Whenever Persa and Kafka were asked about how they managed to improve as QBs, they spoke glowingly of former NU QB (and then backup QBs for the Bears), Brett Basanez, who had run the spread Of under Walker

Baz would run training sessions with Persa and Kafka during the off season.

Not once did Persa or Kafka ever mention their OC, McCall.

The O was stale and predictable under McCall (kinda like the Steelers O under Canada), and it continued to get progressively worse over the years, where the program started to have trouble recruiting good QBs (nevermind WRs) where it started to rely on the transfer portal to very mixed success.

That's it.
 
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BobPSU92

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C'mon - Pat isn't even close to being anywhere near the level of coach that Saban is, and Saban, while he certainly made mistakes from time to time, didn't make completely bone-headed ones, much less repeat them.

Saban, like his good pal, Belichick, are known for being the masters of attacking the opponents weak spots.

You can take it to the bank that they both would have attacked Army's weak spot (the secondary) instead of trying to beat the strength of Army's D (stopping the run), and one can be equally sure neither would keep making the same mistake over and over and over again.

Speaking of Saban, unlike Pat, Saban changed how he did things as the game changed.

Saban saw the game changing and that he could no longer win with a strong D and playing conservatively on O, which is why he brought in offensive masterminds like Kiffin and Sark.

Ironically Northwestern was on the cutting edge, being one of the earliest programs to use the spread O.

A certain someone by the name of Chip Kelly (then an assistant at UNH) visited Evanston to learn NU's version of the spread option (run by Kevin Wilson, who would later become the OC at Oklahoma, then HC at Indiana, then OC at dOSU).

Kelly had UNH's QB at the time learn the terminology, etc. - someone by the name of Ryan Day.

Another person, by the name of Urban Meyer (at the time, HC at Bowling Green) also visited Evanston to learn the spread O, and would go on to use with (with some variation) at Utah, Florida and finally dOSU.

Hence, the circle of life with Day, Kelly and Wilson all having landed at dOSU at a certain point.

The irony is that a few years later, Kelly, then HC of UNH, would use that very same O to beat the Cats now coached by someone by the name of Pat Fitzgerald who had abandoned the spread option, with the Cats only being able to muster 17 points compared to the 34 pts that UNH ran up.

There were some good QBs like Dan Persa, Mike Kafka (now, interim HC of the NY Giants) in his senior year and Trevor Siemian - who managed to cover for insipid scheme and playing calling by long NU OC (under Pat), McCall.

Whenever Persa and Kafka were asked about how they managed to improve as QBs, they spoke glowingly of former NU QB (and then backup QBs for the Bears), Brett Basanez, who had run the spread Of under Walker

Baz would run training sessions with Persa and Kafka during the off season.

Not once did Persa or Kafka ever mention their OC, McCall.

The O was stale and predictable under McCall (kinda like the Steelers O under Canada), and it continued to get progressively worse over the years, where the program started to have trouble recruiting good QBs (nevermind WRs) where it started to rely on the transfer portal to very mixed success.

That's it.

What is wrong with you?
 

Tom McAndrew

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BobPSU92

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I know that I’m slow, but I missed Hartline going to usf.


Some here were creaming their shorts to get Hartline here, yet he ends up usf? I guess that’s what you get for having arm tats and no experience.
 

Classof09

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I know that I’m slow, but I missed Hartline going to usf.


Some here were creaming their shorts to get Hartline here, yet he ends up usf? I guess that’s what you get for having arm tats and no experience.
That’s because we were assured that Hartline was the #1 choice for PSU. About 300 times a day. From a ‘source’.
 

Itraindogs

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That’s because we were assured that Hartline was the #1 choice for PSU. About 300 times a day. From a ‘source’.
And how are you are going to convince him that he is wrong? His takes cannot be proven or disproven, as they are simply assertions void of evidence. Just move on or we are going to continue to have the same assertion made over and over again void of evidence. Just assume these takes are guesses delivered as facts, otherwise you will be wasting your time and taking up bandwidth.

Better response is "provide evidence for your claims." And when the response is some version of I cannot, simply throw the bullsh*t flag and move on.