CFP has huge problems

[PrestonyteParrot]

''The Group of Five champion will not be ranked in the top-12 like Boise State was last year. The Big 12 champion might if it’s either Texas Tech, Utah or BYU.

But with Georgia Tech losing, it’s increasingly likely that the ACC champion won’t be ranked in the top-12 either.

Those three champions account for nine of the 12 spots available. That only leaves three spots to potentially be filled by the likes of Ole Miss, Georgia, Oklahoma and Alabama with just one game left for them all to play.

If everyone at the top wins next week we’ll be seeing Texas A&M vs. Alabama for the SEC Championship. Alabama would then have to face the harsh reality that losing the SEC Championship could cost them a trip to the College Football Playoff.

There are a slew of other outcomes that can happen that will effectively set the cutoff line of the College Football Playoff ranking among the at-large bids at No. 10, maybe even No. 9.

This truly is becoming a massive headache.''

Georgia Tech Loss Creates Huge Problem For College Football Playoff - The Spun

 

[Sleepyhead]

I’m in favor of allowing the best group of five team to participate regardless of ranking. Eventually we are going to get a true Cinderella and it will be great.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Automatic bids are stupid in the cfp. They were one of the factors working against Scar last season and will likely do the same to what could be a 10-2 Vanderbilt this year. The ACC champion may wind up being SMU who is not even in the current cfp top 25. Watch them get thrown in there somewhere around 14 this week, to make their potential selection not seems as criminal. Regardless of who comes from the ACC they won’t be a top 12 team and same for G5. Which will bump a couple of actual top 12 teams out.

 

[Swifty]

the Ohio State
Oregon
Indiana
Georgia
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Notre Dame
ACC Champ (Virginia?)
Big XII Champ (TT or BYU)
Top ranked G5 Champ (JMU or Tulane?)

I'm guessing Bama and TT/BYU round it out. Doesn't seem like there's much of a mess to me, all things considered.

 

[Piscis]

This is proof that 12 teams is too many for the playoff. It is going to be this way every year and will be worse when they expand to 16 teams.

8 is more than enough, still probably too many.

 

[92Pony]

NO AUTOMATIC BIDS!!

 

[atlanta cock#]

''The Group of Five champion will not be ranked in the top-12 like Boise State was last year. The Big 12 champion might if it’s either Texas Tech, Utah or BYU.

But with Georgia Tech losing, it’s increasingly likely that the ACC champion won’t be ranked in the top-12 either.

Those three champions account for nine of the 12 spots available. That only leaves three spots to potentially be filled by the likes of Ole Miss, Georgia, Oklahoma and Alabama with just one game left for them all to play.

If everyone at the top wins next week we’ll be seeing Texas A&M vs. Alabama for the SEC Championship. Alabama would then have to face the harsh reality that losing the SEC Championship could cost them a trip to the College Football Playoff.

There are a slew of other outcomes that can happen that will effectively set the cutoff line of the College Football Playoff ranking among the at-large bids at No. 10, maybe even No. 9.

This truly is becoming a massive headache.''

Georgia Tech Loss Creates Huge Problem For College Football Playoff - The Spun

Good thing it doesn't affect us.

 

[18IsTheMan]

This is proof that 12 teams is too many for the playoff. It is going to be this way every year and will be worse when they expand to 16 teams.

8 is more than enough, still probably too many.

The more you expand to include more people, the larger the pool of people who feel like they should have been included.

The whole thing is stupid anyway. Never in the history of college football was there a team ranked 12th at the end of the regular season who anyone thought "they deserve a shot at the title". Bring in the CFP and suddenly you've got people ranked 15th and 20th arguing they deserve a shot. It's moronic.

 

[muscleknight]

The FCS expanded from 16 to 24 teams and 16 worked good for years. The CFP needs at least 16 then you have room for conference champs.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The FCS expanded from 16 to 24 teams and 16 worked good for years. The CFP needs at least 16 then you have room for conference champs.

 

[SouthernBelly]

The more you expand to include more people, the larger the pool of people who feel like they should have been included.

The whole thing is stupid anyway. Never in the history of college football was there a team ranked 12th at the end of the regular season who anyone thought "they deserve a shot at the title". Bring in the CFP and suddenly you've got people ranked 15th and 20th arguing they deserve a shot. It's moronic.

Most seasons of the cfp have not provided a title game that the bcs would not have. Like most things in big time football the playoff is about generating money, not getting the right teams playing for anything.

 

[SouthernBelly]

the Ohio State
Oregon
Indiana
Georgia
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Notre Dame
ACC Champ (Virginia?)
Big XII Champ (TT or BYU)
Top ranked G5 Champ (JMU or Tulane?)

I'm guessing Bama and TT/BYU round it out. Doesn't seem like there's much of a mess to me, all things considered.

The ACC should not have a team in the playoffs this year. But if their champ is one of the 5 highest ranked conference champs then they will send someone. So maybe not “much of a mess”, call it whatever, but it unnecessarily put teams in a tournament that didn’t earn a spot over the course of the season.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Most seasons of the cfp have not provided a title game that the bcs would not have. Like most things in big time football the playoff is about generating money, not getting the right teams playing for anything.

Yes, anyone who pretends it's anything other than a gigantic money grab is willfully ignorant.

 

[92Pony]

What I don’t get is football/sports fans complaining about more football games to watch.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What I don’t get is football/sports fans complaining about more football games to watch.

Quality vs quantity. It's why I'm opposed to having 500 bowl games.

It's also the principle of thing. I guess it was inevitable that the "everyone gets a trophy" culture would eventually trickle up. Kids who came up in the culture are now college athletes.

 

[Viennacock]

''The Group of Five champion will not be ranked in the top-12 like Boise State was last year. The Big 12 champion might if it’s either Texas Tech, Utah or BYU.

But with Georgia Tech losing, it’s increasingly likely that the ACC champion won’t be ranked in the top-12 either.

Those three champions account for nine of the 12 spots available. That only leaves three spots to potentially be filled by the likes of Ole Miss, Georgia, Oklahoma and Alabama with just one game left for them all to play.

If everyone at the top wins next week we’ll be seeing Texas A&M vs. Alabama for the SEC Championship. Alabama would then have to face the harsh reality that losing the SEC Championship could cost them a trip to the College Football Playoff.

There are a slew of other outcomes that can happen that will effectively set the cutoff line of the College Football Playoff ranking among the at-large bids at No. 10, maybe even No. 9.

This truly is becoming a massive headache.''

Georgia Tech Loss Creates Huge Problem For College Football Playoff - The Spun

Bama is getting in. Let's not fool ourselves

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I’m in favor of allowing the best group of five team to participate regardless of ranking. Eventually we are going to get a true Cinderella and it will be great.

''December Madness'' would make a Cinderella a real possibility.

 

[18IsTheMan]

''December Madness'' would make a Cinderella a real possibility.

College football isn't college basketball.

I can't imagine any scenario where a G5 program knocks off 4 top 10-12 P4 teams in a row.

 

[SouthernBelly]

College football isn't college basketball.

I can't imagine any scenario where a G5 program knocks off 4 top 10-12 P4 teams in a row.

Yea. And if you’re in the playoffs who would you rather play? This was Penn St’a first two rounds last season (due to auto bids). SMU, then Boise State who got a bye. If you’re PSU you’re absolutely taking either of those opponents over the 3 SEC teams who had an argument to be in.

 

[Permacock70]

Ga. Tech has lost their mojo this month and in Atlanta got absolutely blasted by Pitt.

THE ACC SUCKS as USUAL.

 

[92Pony]

Quality vs quantity. It's why I'm opposed to having 500 bowl games.

It's also the principle of thing. I guess it was inevitable that the "everyone gets a trophy" culture would eventually trickle up. Kids who came up in the culture are now college athletes.

But the extra games should be top-12 - or at least top-20 - matchups. That would qualify as quality, yes?

 

[18IsTheMan]

But the extra games should be top-12 - or at least top-20 - matchups. That would qualify as quality, yes?

Not when you're talking national title quality. I don't want to see a 3-loss team "playing for" the title.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Not when you're talking national title quality. I don't want to see a 3-loss team "playing for" the title.

I mean, I get what you're saying. I do. But...

Just look at last weekend. A #3 ranked team, undefeated, was absolutely throttled at their home stadium in the first half 30-3. Anybody else not named South Carolina wins that game.

Now you can make the argument that you wouldn't want to see a South Carolina knock out a "real" championship caliber team in the playoffs.....but I argue that anything can happen AND TO YOUR POINT...if that team gets beat by a "nobody" in the playoffs, were they really a championship caliber team in the first place??

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

I mean, I get what you're saying. I do. But...

Just look at last weekend. A #3 ranked team, undefeated, was absolutely throttled at their home stadium in the first half 30-3. Anybody else not named South Carolina wins that game.

Now you can make the argument that you wouldn't want to see a South Carolina knock out a "real" championship caliber team in the playoffs.....but I argue that anything can happen AND TO YOUR POINT...if that team gets beat by a "nobody" in the playoffs, were they really a championship caliber team in the first place??

Anyone can have an off day and anyone can get hot for a day - that's one of the arguments against single elimination tournaments and why MLB and the NBA have multi-game series. Football, by its nature, cannot use that format.

While we all know money is driving the bus, one of the problems with having a small playoff field is the regular season provides such a small and unequal sample size for the participants. Cruise through the ACC and win a prize (even though you're likely a 12th place team - or lower - in the SEC).

 

[Hoganman1]

There's no question money is driving this thing. However, as a fan; I do enjoy watching the games. It's never going to be perfect as long as there's a committee involved. I always thought 16 would be better than 12 because I don't like teams getting byes. Obviously, they have to figure out how to get the group five teams and conference champions involved. Otherwise, it will end up having all SEC teams vs Big 10 teams every year. Still if one truly looks at which teams are truly the twelve best right now, some potential conference champions do not belong.

 

[Piscis]

The FCS expanded from 16 to 24 teams and 16 worked good for years. The CFP needs at least 16 then you have room for conference champs.

FCS has no bowl games for teams to extend their seasons. If FBS wants to expand their playoff, they need to do away with bowl games entirely. If FBS wants to expand the playoff, go back to 11 game regular seasons, no conference championship games and let the top 16 or 24 teams into the playoff.

8 12 team conferences that are geographically oriented playing a three round, single elimination playoff made up of conference champions seems like the perfect solution. No need for any committee or subjective polls to be involved. The playoff would be a true tournament of champions.

96 teams is more than enough to make sure no worthy program is left out. Let the 40 that get left out go to FCS. No P4 and G5, every conference is rated equally.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

FCS has no bowl games for teams to extend their seasons. If FBS wants to expand their playoff, they need to do away with bowl games entirely. If FBS wants to expand the playoff, go back to 11 game regular seasons, no conference championship games and let the top 16 or 24 teams into the playoff.

8 12 team conferences that are geographically oriented playing a three round, single elimination playoff made up of conference champions seems like the perfect solution. No need for any committee or subjective polls to be involved. The playoff would be a true tournament of champions.

96 teams is more than enough to make sure no worthy program is left out. Let the 40 that get left out go to FCS. No P4 and G5, every conference is rated equally.

Do away with bowl games entirely? Are you on the Zohran Mamdani campaign? What other excuse am I gonna have for eating a bunch of stuff I shouldn't during those cold December nights? Are we supposed to watch Hallmark movies in their place?

So many questions...

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

So many questions...

Just one really. Who am I with?

 

[Traildust57]

No team outside of the top 4 seeds will ever win a CFB Playoff Championship. The lower 8 are just for $......

 

[18IsTheMan]

No team outside of the top 4 seeds will ever win a CFB Playoff Championship. The lower 8 are just for $......

It might happen one day, but there's usually just such a drop off from the top 3 or 4 teams even to the teams ranked 6, 7 etc. It's lunacy to think a 3-4 loss team would reel off 4 wins in a row against top-ranked teams. You might get a fluke upset, but you're not getting 4 in a row. That just doesn't happen in college football.

 

[SouthernBelly]

It might happen one day, but there's usually just such a drop off from the top 3 or 4 teams even to the teams ranked 6, 7 etc. It's lunacy to think a 3-4 loss team would reel off 4 wins in a row against top-ranked teams. You might get a fluke upset, but you're not getting 4 in a row. That just doesn't happen in college football.

6 is the absolute most needed if the intent is to have the best teams as shown in the regular season compete for a title.

 

[adcoop]

Quality vs quantity. It's why I'm opposed to having 500 bowl games.

It's also the principle of thing. I guess it was inevitable that the "everyone gets a trophy" culture would eventually trickle up. Kids who came up in the culture are now college athletes.

So, you are telling me you would rather see Louisiana-Monroe vs Middle Tennessee in the Cure Bowl than SMU vs Texas Tech in a Playoff Game? I know I will take the latter whether there is 8, 12, or 16 teams in the CFP.

 

[adcoop]

No team outside of the top 4 seeds will ever win a CFB Playoff Championship. The lower 8 are just for $......

You are already wrong in that assessment. Ohio State was the 8 seed last year.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

So, you are telling me you would rather see Louisiana-Monroe vs Middle Tennessee in the Cure Bowl than SMU vs Texas Tech in a Playoff Game? I know I will take the latter whether there is 8, 12, or 16 teams in the CFP.

I really don't care who's playing - at least it's more CFB and during the holidays, to boot.

I've always loved watching the 1-AA playoffs (when they were available) and they show even more of the games nowaday.

Heck, they could trot out two 0-12 teams and call it the Winless Bowl and I'll turn it on in December/January. Much better than roundball (M or W) or other sport options at night this time of year.

Enjoy it while it's here. It's kind of like pumpkin spice goodies for fat chicks - it's only for a limited time and will be gone before you know it.

 

[adcoop]

I really don't care who's playing - at least it's more CFB and during the holidays, to boot.

I've always loved watching the 1-AA playoffs (when they were available) and they show even more of the games nowaday.

Heck, they could trot out two 0-12 teams and call it the Winless Bowl and I'll turn it on in December/January. Much better than roundball (M or W) or other sport options at night this time of year.

Enjoy it while it's here. It's kind of like pumpkin spice goodies for fat chicks - it's only for a limited time and will be gone before you know it.

I like other sports. I am not watching a mid Conference USA Team play a mid Sun Belt Conference team in December. I might get with that in September, but not December.

 

[Piscis]

I really don't care who's playing - at least it's more CFB and during the holidays, to boot.

I've always loved watching the 1-AA playoffs (when they were available) and they show even more of the games nowaday.

Heck, they could trot out two 0-12 teams and call it the Winless Bowl and I'll turn it on in December/January. Much better than roundball (M or W) or other sport options at night this time of year.

Enjoy it while it's here. It's kind of like pumpkin spice goodies for fat chicks - it's only for a limited time and will be gone before you know it.

I don't love football for the sake of football. I have to care, at least a little, about one or both of the teams playing.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

It's obvious that bowls are no longer a reward for an exceptional season - the CFP has assumed that role (for the most part, politics aside). But I don't understand why people are so opposed to extra football, even if they don't want to watch it. Treat it like all the other programs you don't care for - don't tune in.

 

[Traildust57]

You are already wrong in that assessment. Ohio State was the 8 seed last year.

Going forward. YMMV.

 

[Traildust57]

You are already wrong in that assessment. Ohio State was the 8 seed last year.

Going forward. YMMV.

 

[adcoop]

It's obvious that bowls are no longer a reward for an exceptional season - the CFP has assumed that role (for the most part, politics aside). But I don't understand why people are so opposed to extra football, even if they don't want to watch it. Treat it like all the other programs you don't care for - don't tune in.

Nobody is against you watching lower tier bowls if that is your thing. However, I just made it known that I can't join you on that. These are not the old days where you get 2 games on network TV on a Saturday if you are llucky. With all these networks tapping into sports, you have your choice of about 50 games each Football Saturday. By the end of November, I become tapped out on football especially if the Gamecocks are not good. The Gamecocks have chased me to basketball several years. So, I have to have something like the CFP to bring me back me in. That's me, but I don't begrudge your enjoyment of the Gasparilla Bowl.