I know Charlotte Catholic has a good program. With Blessed Trinity I really have no clue other than they are 1-2. Any insights or thoughts with this game.
Charlotte Catholic vs Blessed Trinity
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Blessed Trinity is a AAAAA school in Roswell, GA. Their two losses were to Marist out of Atlanta, 28-13 and St. Pius X Catholic, 24-17. Marist is 1-1. St. Pius is 2-1. I think this game should be rated a toss up.
Now you have me not won’t to go to this game.
https://247sports.com/player/justic...eRkB-_koGyGsHBAAxIvRqp4YK1wBWJPnOi-w5k7BQojHI. Didn’t know he was playing tonight. #4 RB in the Country
I watched the "livestream" from radio free Cabbaras and all I could tell from the occasional locked up still screen images mixed in with long periods of that glitching circle of death thing was that #70 on Blessed trinity was huge, Catholic was steadily falling behind ( from the stills of the scoreboard in the upper corner), and that Oddo field looks real nice in locked up still images. WORST LIVESTREAM EVER!
A lot of fanfare with Patriots Bowl and Catholic stands were packed. Old fashioned smash mouth football as Blessed Trinity ran primarily the I and power I. No dipsy doodle rabbit chasing spread in this one. Some misdirection and downhill running on both sides with passing mixed in as needed. Catholic appeared to be outsized and a bit overmatched but this is the typical story and first half was pretty even with BT up 14-10. Catholic had two long, time consuming drives and kept Blessed Trinity's offense off the field. 2nd half exposed Catholic's true weakness. If they run into a more athletic team that is every bit as well coached and disciplined as they are, they will have problems. They beat many teams with discipline, execution and capitalizing on mistakes. Only one turnover in this game. Catholic made it deep in their territory and BT made them pay. BT was the better team that night. It would take a near perfect game and a few breaks for Catholic to beat this team and they got neither. Best player on the field by far was BT tailback Justice Haynes. Only a junior, ranked in the top 5 nationally at his position in 2023 class and appears headed to Georgia. Listed at 185 but is probably the best back Catholic will see this year. Ran with power and speed. Got extra yards after contact and took two to the house once he got into space. He got yards with the defense perfectly positioned in too many instances. BT's 1-2 record was deceptive coming in. No early cupcakes in their schedule. Catholic competed and this game will only make them better. Hopefully not too banged up. Next up, Providence at Memorial Stadium.
Yes, And I guess a lot more people went then Catholic was expected. Before the first quarter was over with they were out of hamburgers, cheeseburgers, hotdogs and chicken tenders and pizza.
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So both CC and Myers Park fall to Georgia schools this week. But I will take it, keep scheduling these out of state games as much as possible and practical.
#70 is Paul Harrington. He's 6’6 375lbs and only a sophomore. The whole offensive line averages about 6’3 300lbs.
Well well well. Catholic plays a similar private catholic school and gets whipped. SMH. No way there private schools should be in public school leagues. Funny how most of catholic losses come from other private schools. Makes you think......
I went back over Catholic's schedule over the last 10 years. They've had 6 losses against private schools and 10 losses to public schools. I didn't list them, but if you go back, say, to 2004, Catholic has 13 losses against private schools and 18 losses against public schools. Going by your logic that you're illustrating in your post, your logic falters. Did you say anyting about Cardinal Gibbons? They're making noise in the east. Or in your opinion, are they recruiting and cheating as well?
2021
Blessed Trinity 28-10
2020
Weddington 7 - 3
2019
Good Counsel (Maryland) 7-0
Archbishop Rummel (LA) 7-3
Weddington 45-0
2018
Charlotte Christian 6-0
2016
Charlotte Christian 20-13
Dudley 21-10
2014
Mallard Creek 40-21
New Bern 23-15
2013
Northwestern (Rock Hill) 38-17
Mallard Creek 52-7
Dudley 20-15
2012
Charlotte Country Day 31-28
Northern Guilford 64-26
2011
Crest 35-28
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He believes what he wants and makes his own assumptions. I’m sure we ended his son’s season or thumped him during the regular season at some point. Probably still holds that anger, not healthy! Hope he can find peace!
I don't know if it's because of the numerous privates in the Charlotte area, but Catholic has never had the numerous elite players, that the top National recognized privates have. Good players that have been with the program since the 6th grade. They're very well coached athlete's, that play mistake free football. That formula will help you win numerous games.
I have no opinion what class/league they should be playing in but for accuracy sake, what's the ratio of public to private schools they have played? Just based off schedule every year I would expect them to have more losses to public schools because that's who they play the most.
Solely for curiosity sake, what's the percentage of games lost against private alone versus percentage lost against solely public? I'm too lazy to go do the math.
Chopper instead of logical conversation they go with recruiting and cheating. NEVER once have i said Catholic recruits or cheats. Not a single time.
My point as illustrated above is that 90% of their games are againat public schools with 10 losses and 10% vs. Private with 6 losses. You dont have to be a mathematician to conclude that private schools are more competitive with them then public schools especially when they play OOS privates. No private school be it Gibbons, catholic, or VCC should compete with plublic schools as they have different student body make ups.
Can any low performing student in need of academic help automatically be accepted into catholic or the diocese? The answer is NO. They must meet the private schools definition of a student and be accepted. Playing in a league where other schools have general admin and must accept students regardless of economics, education, religion, beliefs is simply not fair. Thus why they are a private school meaning exclusive, not public inclusive.
Mr. Honda of the losses you listed many were to once in a generation championship type public school teams. Of the private losses they were to run of the mill avg. Private school teams. Seems a little unbalanced.... If it were truly even they wouldn't have to play up a class. They play up because powers to be have recognized they have disticnt unfair advantages over public schools.
When you put it that way @bigdadd11103 I see the point that people who are against Catholic playing in the NCHSAA are making.
I think private and Charter schools should play in the NCHSAA, but they should have to play up. I’ve seen what the Charter schools have done to basketball and it is truly an unfair advantage. Although Catholic dominated the 3A, I feel like they have been very beatable. They’re just disciplined and make few mistakes. It’s not exactly the same as the basketball situation.
I think private and Charter schools should play in the NCHSAA, but they should have to play up. I’ve seen what the Charter schools have done to basketball and it is truly an unfair advantage. Although Catholic dominated the 3A, I feel like they have been very beatable. They’re just disciplined and make few mistakes. It’s not exactly the same as the basketball situation.
I see your rationale and curiosity in regards to percentages of wins against types of opponents, but I don't see in this thread where either of you mentioned recruiting or cheating. I think it was Mr Honda that brought that up but I don't think he's part of their fanbase.
As is the case in many instances the #'s can be a bit deceiving. Think it probably has more to do with the quality of those private schools versus the publics. Schools like Good Counsel and Gonzaga( which they beat) have full blown national recruitment
Its the exact same thing that Charters have done to basketball. They specifically get children at their schools to play a certain sport, and get a better education. So you typically get a better student, better parents, and a much better athlete due to training which equates to much better success whereas public schools have to take what they can get and have no internal player flow. Its more to it than just being disciplined and making few mistakes, its getting a much more coachable athlete, that's been well trained and played together since middle school.
Chopper its not recruiting at all. Its the removal of the excess/junk and getting a streamlined well trained, well educated, similar minded athlete/student. This athlete is constantly fed into the school year after year. Look at the Privates in FL. They dominate. St. Thomas Aquinas has had some of the same complaints as Catholic in NC. STA has won over 100 state championships.
-It amazes me that in the Private vs. Public debate we can easily see that privates have better facilities, better students academically, lower crime, higher test scores, lower student teacher ratios, higher college readiness, lower free/reduced lunch, more affluent students, higher educated students that benefits the school/community greatly, but we can't see how these same advantages wouldn't be beneficial in sports? Being private and selective in its students/athletes is the biggest advantage any school could have. No Public school in American no matter how good they are will have these advantages and be able to compete in academics or athletically with private schools. Its simply the Gideon effect.
Definitely a well thought out, and different perspective, that I’ve personally never looked at. I’ve always just looked at Jimmy & Joe’s. This is much deeper.
Bigdadd, by your logic, the North Carolina School of the Arts and the North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics should be athletic powerhouses. High IQ and academic aptitude have little effect in determining the outcome of sports, especially football. A future chess grandmaster is not going to be able to block a 3 or 4 star athlete regardless of IQ and daddy's wealth unless he also happens to be a 3 or 4 star athlete.
Catholic does have two distinct advantages that are often overlooked. They have maintained a continuity of coaching with only two head coaches and little staff turnover since 1973. Charlotte Mecklenburg public schools, with few exceptions, are a coaching carrousel. They also have a Catholic middle school that acts as a feeder program. 6th, 7th and 8th graders grow up playing Catholic's offense and defense for 3 years together before they even arrive at the high school. An advantage one school towns in both North and South Carolina enjoy. Some of those towns control football down to the peewee level. Unfortunately for Catholic, many of these middle schoolers are cherry picked by the privates or simply go to the public schools because of financials. Financial aid is available for needy families but those participating in ANY sport are not to utilize it, an agreement with the NCHSAA. Good athletes with scholarship potential from Catholic families with modest incomes that may want to go there, may have no choice but to go elsewhere if they want to pursue college athletics.
Trying to draw deep conclusions about who they lose to is not going to shed much light either. They don't lose often. They lose to elite teams because they are willing to play elite teams. They do compete and win some of those games too. They often struggle to fill a schedule outside their conference. They play sound, disciplined, basic, fundamental football and don't often beat themselves. They beat many bigger, athletically superior teams because those teams simply make too many mistakes. They win a lot of close games but seldom do they overwhelm anyone. Their achilles heel is when they run into a team that is more athletically inclined and just as well coached and disciplined as they are. Blessed Trinity from Georgia was just such an example. Late round playoff games are another. Have they won 4 state championships in a row? Yes. However, every one of those games was in doubt until the final horn. No blowouts and one could argue that on paper, they didn't belong in any of those games.
So what's the solution? They already play up. They have small 3A numbers but are playing in the 4A. Do you punish them for being smaller, less athletically gifted but too disciplined and too intelligent? They can't recruit. They can't give scholarships based on athletics. Financial need is precluded if any student plays athletics. Do you now want to apply an IQ penalty or income penalty? If you really want to beat them, perhaps get better and learn to play sound football.
Why do we assume he is using logic? I stated earlier I’m sure his son was beaten by Catholic or maybe he was back in his day. He is filled with anger and hate. I’ll put him in the prayer intentions at mass this weekend. Poor fella.
Bill passed senate keeps parochials in association and preserves NCHSAA