Chicken Littles, Gloom and Doomers, Sky is Falling

kyjeff1

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It is hard to argue that Louisville does not have the better coach right now. Go back to last year's game in Rupp, if Butler doesn't go nuclear does UK win that game?
Once you're done watching that game, flip over to UofL's home loss to duke, a team we beat.
Once you get through that one, go watch their NCAAT game against Creighton. You won't come away thinking Kelsey is better.
Pope had 10 wins better than Kelsey's best win last year.
 

RoyKent

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11-9 is Pope’s record going back the last 20 regular season games.
Going further back, since the start of SEC play last year UK is 15-11

The sky is not falling but I also don't think we are anywhere near where UK fan's standards are or should be. Add in the fact that Pope has 0 commits for 2026 and I think there is definitely reason for fans to be questioning him.
 

davtay

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The sky isn’t falling but our head coach who no one had in their top 10 list of Cal’s replacement is 16-12 in his last 28 games. He can talk all he wants about “understanding the assignment” but 16-12 is flunking.
The Coach "everyone" had #1 in their list of replacements was 24-11 last season, with both a second round big east exit and a second round NCAA exit. So your comment is worthless.
 

Kentucky15

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Oweh is trying to be the 3 point shooter the NBA wants IMO and Pope is going to have to learn to coach D if he ever wants to win it all.

yea those are all things that have to work themselves out. Oweh has to shoot but it’s got to me at the right moments.

If you go back and look, and have, Oweh is definitely hurt. It’s the reason the line moved by double. Watch him early at UK and against Duke. That’s not the same player. Oweh is for sure hurt, our PG was grimacing holding his arm, and JQ isn’t there yet. Noah is out. It’s really simple, the team is banged up and not used to playing with each other at all. still nearly pulled that out in that environment on the road in early November. It is what it is all the way around.

Oweh needs to get as healthy as possible and focus on winning games. I’m concerned he’s got something like turf toe that won’t go away and will linger. But nothing Mark can do about it.
 

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The difference is Brown is a great player and is supposed to play like that. Butler had a top 5 all time UK performance in the UL game and was just an above average player.
Brown is a great player, but there is no difference. If neither one had "gone nuclear" then the other team would have won.
 

KYFOSSIL

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I actually believe there’s been more constructive, intelligent discussions about this team’s +/- this season so far, compared to the old site.

With that said, does the OP expect a victory parade around here after a loss to a bitter rival, who clearly had the better team and coaching, and could have easily romped this UK team if not for a few key possessions going UK’s way?
See how you just spend that? I made 101 or a couple made rebounds. That's the difference you and some others thrive on reasons to go after Pope or dis the team.
 

kyjeff1

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Imagine getting pissed because UK got down by 20 and were playing like crap. It's a message board so if you only want sunshine thoughts put every person who doesn't constantly gush over Pope and the team on ignore.
You obviously haven't read your own comments in the game thread, or you already went through it and deleted all your trashing comments.
 

Kentucky15

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The sky isn’t falling but our head coach who no one had in their top 10 list of Cal’s replacement is 16-12 in his last 28 games. He can talk all he wants about “understanding the assignment” but 16-12 is flunking.

Mark was on the short list for Arkansas and was slowly making his way. Kentucky noticed because he’s alumni and we had a shot to take a former captain, champion, alumni and of course we took it because recruiting these days isn’t what it was. More necessary to have other aspects covered.

but according to beat writers for Arkansas, and according to their boards, he was being highly considered for Arkansas. So it was becoming apparent he was destined to go to good jobs.

people are really going in too hard on October / November results when we’ve had a lot of set backs. You can’t just lose all the time we’ve got records to uphold, but this man beat Duke, Florida, tennessees best team twice, Louisville etc all in one year without anywhere near what will be his best roster. Saying the can’t coach is absurd. BYU is also doing very well and didn’t want him to leave.

it’s one game, in November, without a full roster in a hostile environment and hurt starters. And he still almost pulled it out down 20+. Lousville didn’t give breath room for 30 minutes either and played out of their minds.

Also, it might take Mark a little time to find his groove. I’ve accepted that. But he’s worth giving that time to. I’m going to give him more time than normally would another coach. He wants this and is perfect for the job. We might need some patience. Coach K was nearly fired after half a decade and given another year and here we are. I want to see Pope over some long haul and see what he adjusts to. If he hits it he’ll never leave and we’ve got tradition firmly in place. It matters.
 
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JPFisher

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It is hard to argue that Louisville does not have the better coach right now. Go back to last year's game in Rupp, if Butler doesn't go nuclear does UK win that game?
If Hepburn doesn't go nuclear, is Louisville in any position to keep last year's game close at all? Butler's performance is remembered because we won. Aberdeen had comparable stats to Brown, but Brown's performance will be remembered because they won. Is Pope a lesser coach because their nuclear out-nucleared ours this year?
 

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If brown doesn't go nuclear last night do the cards win that game?

If my Aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Just for perspective...

Butler was 10-10 from the floor and 6-6 from 3 and had 33 points in 32 mins.

Brown was 8-16 from the floor and 3-10 from 3 and had 29 points in 33 mins.

There's a pretty big difference in those two stat lines.
 

KYFOSSIL

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11-9 is Pope’s record going back the last 20 regular season games.
No Robinson no Kerr A hurt butler and hurt Carr and still made the first sweet 16 in 5 years not toention prior to that wins over Ug, Duke, UT twice and the Zags. But that doesnt meet your agenda
 
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UKnine

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The Coach "everyone" had #1 in their list of replacements was 24-11 last season, with both a second round big east exit and a second round NCAA exit. So your comment is worthless.
If you think that Mark Pope is anywhere close to the tier that Hurley is on you are clueless.
That is why he was not on anyone’s top 10 list as Cal’s replacement.
 
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davtay

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If you think that Mark Pope is anywhere close to the tier that Hurley is on you are clueless.
That is why he was not on anyone’s top 10 list as Cal’s replacement.
I was just pointing out that using YOUR example, you said flunking. I just used the person that was supposedly number 1 on that list to debunk your assessment. That other coach also supposedly turned us down.

Using YOUR logic, there wasn't much difference.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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Can you give an example? Were there actually people saying Pope doesn’t deserve critisism?

That's crazy. Even Pope's mom would critisize him after that game.

What she WOULDN'T say though, is that he sucked last year, didn't accomplish anything and shouldn’t be coaching UK.
This is all accurate. My concerns the day we hired Pope still exist. Can he get elite players? Can his teams play tough enough to win big games? A little over a year in, those concerns still exist. The day we hired him I was "cautiously optimistic". I'm still there. And that's okay. If we are still doing the 10 loss Tubby thing in a couple yrs without elite players and playing soft, then you can start those other arguments. They are premature now.
 
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If brown doesn't go nuclear last night do the cards win that game?

If my Aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Brown went 8-16 from the floor and 3-10 from 3. Butler was 10-10 from the floor and 6-6 from 3. Big difference

Sorry Eagles, I missed that you had already posted that.
 

Pygmy Sasquatch

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The sky is crying. Not falling.

Not happy with how our team played last night at all but I'm already over it.
 

kyjeff1

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This is all accurate. My concerns the day we hired Pope still exist. Can he get elite players? Can his teams play tough enough to win big games? A little over a year in, those concerns still exist. The day we hired him I was "cautiously optimistic". I'm still there. And that's okay. If we are still doing the 10 loss Tubby thing in a couple yrs without elite players and playing soft, then you can start those other arguments. They are premature now.
I agree with all that, I have the same concerns.
Honestly, I think he is too nice and way too positive.
As the coach, sometimes you have to get red with a player and get in his face. I'm not sure Pope has that in his bag, he does things a different way.
But, tough guys like Pitino, Izzo and Sampson get their faces beat in too.
The way I look at it, Pope won games he had no business winning last year, so I know he can do it.
On the flip side, he lost games he shouldn't have lost too.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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I agree with all that, I have the same concerns.
Honestly, I think he is too nice and way too positive.
As the coach, sometimes you have to get red with a player and get in his face. I'm not sure Pope has that in his bag, he does things a different way.
But, tough guys like Pitino, Izzo and Sampson get their faces beat in too.
The way I look at it, Pope won games he had no business winning last year, so I know he can do it.
On the flip side, he lost games he shouldn't have lost too.
Absent that last sentence, and I'm convinced he will do huge things at UK. The inconsistencies bothered me. More than that, the reasons for the inconsistencies seriously bothered me. But cobbling the roster the way he did and the injuries gave it all a pass. If those same inconsistencies exist at the end of this season, I might be more cautious than optimistic. He needs to land a dude that's going to be a bonafide NPOY candidate and T5 NBA draftee. That would go a long way for me.
 

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The sky isn’t falling but our head coach who no one had in their top 10 list of Cal’s replacement is 16-12 in his last 28 games. He can talk all he wants about “understanding the assignment” but 16-12 is flunking.
16-12 seems like a very odd number to cherry pick. Is there a reason you only included only part of the season?
 

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Just for perspective...

Butler was 10-10 from the floor and 6-6 from 3 and had 33 points in 32 mins.

Brown was 8-16 from the floor and 3-10 from 3 and had 29 points in 33 mins.

There's a pretty big difference in those two stat lines.
33 pts versus 29 is a big difference? who cares about the percentage. It all ended up on the scoreboard and it all happened in a 40 min game.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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33 pts versus 29 is a big difference? who cares about the percentage. It all ended up on the scoreboard and it all happened in a 40 min game.
So true. Offensive efficiency has no effect on the outcome or the result of a game. Goodness.
 

buc puppet

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Brown went 8-16 from the floor and 3-10 from 3. Butler was 10-10 from the floor and 6-6 from 3. Big difference

Sorry Eagles, I missed that you had already posted that.
Like I told him, why does the percentage matter? It all ended up on scoreboard. both went for about 30 in a 40 min game.

why would anyone want to downplay our victory last year? who does that? UK set a record for top 15 wins last year and yall are trying to throw water on the UL game from last christmas. Why?

It's all about the W. They don't kas how. They ask how many
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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33 pts versus 29 is a big difference? who cares about the percentage. It all ended up on the scoreboard and it all happened in a 40 min game.
Instead of being snarky, let me try to explain. The amount of turnovers UK had allowed about 10 extra Louisville possessions. Absent of that, Brown wouldn't have been able to do what he did. Butler didn't need extra possessions? Why? Because he freaking scored every single time the possession ended with him taking a shot. Surely you can understand that difference.
 

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Like I told him, why does the percentage matter? It all ended up on scoreboard. both went for about 30 in a 40 min game.

why would anyone want to downplay our victory last year? who does that? UK set a record for top 15 wins last year and yall are trying to throw water on the UL game from last christmas. Why?

It's all about the W. They don't as how. They as how many
Nobody is downplaying anything. UK won last year because Butler basically had a Christian Laettner (only better) performance. Louisville won this year, in large part, because UK handed them about 10 extra possessions which allowed Brown to take that many shots.
 

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Imagine getting pissed because UK got down by 20 and were playing like crap. It's a message board so if you only want sunshine thoughts put every person who doesn't constantly gush over Pope and the team on ignore.
It might surprise you to know that any posts not mashing Pope’s guts in the street are not sunshine pumping.

Pope didn’t turn the ball over.

Pooe didn’t fail to get out on 3 pt shoots or stay in front of the ball.

Pope didn’t miss a single free throw.

A small mind needs a single thing to blame. However the knuckle dragging mentality of, ugh team bad. Far coach. Team good, gets you nothing. That mentality was prevalent with the last four coaches. And where are we?

Crying and bleating about the coach will accomplish nothing. Playing defense will. Basically you can whine and snot around about coaches or you can discuss basketball.
 
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It might surprise you to know that any posts not mashing Pope’s guts in the street are not sunshine pumping.

Pope didn’t turn the ball over.

Pooe didn’t fail to get out on 3 pt shoots or stay in front of the ball.

Pope didn’t miss a single free throw.

A small mind needs a single thing to blame. However the knuckle dragging mentality of, ugh team bad. Far coach. Team good, gets you nothing. That mentality was prevalent with the last four coaches. And where are we?

Crying and bleating about the coach will accomplish nothing. Playing defense will. Basically you can whine and snot around about coaches or you can discuss basketball.
If we lose more than 10 games this year, would it be fair to start criticizing the coach? When will critical analysis be allowed? I’m just curious when it’s ok to voice concern since last year he rightfully got a free pass? Are we back to Kentucky standards this year or not?
 

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Nobody is downplaying anything. UK won last year because Butler basically had a Christian Laettner (only better) performance. Louisville won this year, in large part, because UK handed them about 10 extra possessions which allowed Brown to take that many shots.
The person who made the original post that I responded to is eluding to the fact that he thinks Kelsey is the better coach and in order to prop up that opinion made the point that UK would not have won last year had Butler not had the game he had. Thus downplaying Pope and his teams performance against Kelsey. So yes. He was downplaying last years win. I said big whup, if their guy doesn't go off then maybe don't win last night. To quote you.....Surely you can understand.
 

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The person who made the original post that I responded to is eluding to the fact that he thinks Kelsey is the better coach and in order to prop up that opinion made the point that UK would not have won last year had Butler not had the game he had. Thus downplaying Pope and his teams performance against Kelsey. So yes. He was downplaying last years win. I said big whup, if their guy doesn't go off then maybe don't win last night. To quote you.....Surely you can understand.
Yeah, I'm not sure I do. UK definitely won that game last year because Butler went Laettner. They also lost this one because they turned it over like crazy.
 

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It’s comedy when 3 games into the season some are so negative and lose all sense of reason about the season. One game does not define any season.
This board is full of irrational dumbasses, it's like we moved this board to here and all the dumbasses came back out. I only check in to call these guys idiots and then I leave. I think Pope still needs to figure out lineups that work and JQ if he's healthy by St John's I'll feel good he'll be our defensive anchor.
 

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16-12 seems like a very odd number to cherry pick. Is there a reason you only included only part of the season?
Does it really matter? 16-12 is a huge sample size and it is not very good. It could also have been 11-9 which is even worse.
 

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If we lose more than 10 games this year, would it be fair to start criticizing the coach? When will critical analysis be allowed? I’m just curious when it’s ok to voice concern since last year he rightfully got a free pass? Are we back to Kentucky standards this year or not?
Depends on how we lose them. If we have 8 season ending injuries, likely not. If everything is perfect and we stand on the court picking our nose, maybe. Depends on the criticism. "Dat coach don't shot dem 3's much as I lik". isn't a valid critic.
 

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Some think Kentucky should go 40-0 every year. When they get beat they lose their minds. Declaring the season over. I have already read just because they lost last night. They are going to lose every game against a good opponent from here on out.
Same ones that declare they are going to win a title if they defeat a really good opponent. A blow out win against a good opponent means nothing for the next game just like a loss doesn't.

Kentucky got bullied last night. It happens. First road game every year is always difficult.
Lowe was definitely rusty. Oweh is not 100%. I think a completely healthy UK team including JQ is the better team.
I also think there is a good chance we will find out in March. Committee will likely setup a UK-UL tournament game. Providing of course both teams can win 2-3 games.
The team nor Pope were good last night. Pope can coach. If last season and all the wins against ranked opponents and a thrown together team didn't prove that. Then you simply wasn't watching.

Team needs to get healthy and Pope needs to figure out the best rotations once they get healthy. Doesn't mean benching this guy or starting this guy. Means figuring out who plays well with who.
Sky isn't falling.
 

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Lose sense of reason? You mean like the ones who want Pope fired over one game or the ones who crumble into a ball if you say he got outcoached last night? Because both lack reason. I don’t know when our fans became so sensitive that we can’t be honest about reality anymore. I love Coach Pope and continue to believe in him, but getting down by 20 points to our rival is unacceptable when we have the talent to prevent that from happening. You are not a better fan than anyone else if you are hand clapping while we are getting our cheeks pounded. Most of the people on this board are here because we love the Cats and yet anyone who says anything *negative* about Pope needs to be excommunicated, huh?
Tell it like it is!!! Not to mention this is the highest paid college basketball team in the world.
 

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Some think Kentucky should go 40-0 every year. When they get beat they lose their minds. Declaring the season over. I have already read just because they lost last night. They are going to lose every game against a good opponent from here on out.
Same ones that declare they are going to win a title if they defeat a really good opponent. A blow out win against a good opponent means nothing for the next game just like a loss doesn't.

Kentucky got bullied last night. It happens. First road game every year is always difficult.
Lowe was definitely rusty. Oweh is not 100%. I think a completely healthy UK team including JQ is the better team.
I also think there is a good chance we will find out in March. Committee will likely setup a UK-UL tournament game. Providing of course both teams can win 2-3 games.
The team nor Pope were good last night. Pope can coach. If last season and all the wins against ranked opponents and a thrown together team didn't prove that. Then you simply wasn't watching.

Team needs to get healthy and Pope needs to figure out the best rotations once they get healthy. Doesn't mean benching this guy or starting this guy. Means figuring out who plays well with who.
Sky isn't falling.
Expecting 40-0 and being upset our guys were down 20 and playing like crap is very different.