CI Wrestling Thread #56
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I like The Miz..there I said it...always have. That was really interesting Tuesday night, wonder where it will lead, if anywhere.
Video (Super 8k HD ) yes, photo shoot , not so much. If they are going to get down, get down. No teasing with photos, I want to see live action.
Who knows with the WWE. But you know they both respect each other and Bryan most likely told him to bring it more then likely before they aired talking Smack, which got some people to think if it was a work or real.... haha good by The Miz and Bryan.
What do you win? Am I missing something here?
Arn is well known as a legit dude not to mess with and your 1- calling him lame as a wrestler, 2- posting about being able to kick is ***.......
You back that up with some lame masterbation gif after back to back terrible posts.....
And you win?
Congrats, I guess. Now back to your "nude diva" Google searches.
Arn is well known as a legit dude not to mess with and your 1- calling him lame as a wrestler, 2- posting about being able to kick is ***.......
You back that up with some lame masterbation gif after back to back terrible posts.....
And you win?
Congrats, I guess. Now back to your "nude diva" Google searches.
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Again I don't expect trolling in this thread. I assume we all post out of respect of a silly man soap opera that we all enjoy.
No worries though I thought to myself more than once I've never really seemed bothered by this dude ever.
Now I got you in the BCF zone.
Again I don't expect trolling in this thread. I assume we all post out of respect of a silly man soap opera that we all enjoy.
No worries though I thought to myself more than once I've never really seemed bothered by this dude ever.
Now I got you in the BCF zone.
Thanks for posting that krazy.
2 Cold Scorpio is the best part.
He's just trying to get high and these crazy dudes start stabbing each other with scissors :joy:
2 Cold Scorpio is the best part.
He's just trying to get high and these crazy dudes start stabbing each other with scissors :joy:
Yes I realize you feel that way. I'm no troll. Also no need to apologize I'm sure most will enjoy the stupid banter and most of all that story.
The cops story totally debunked by the nurse telling Sid that Arn has 20 stab hounds.........but the cop said its nothing. Sid cracks me up with that BS just to side step pressing charges.
The cops story totally debunked by the nurse telling Sid that Arn has 20 stab hounds.........but the cop said its nothing. Sid cracks me up with that BS just to side step pressing charges.
Hangman Page and Jay Briscoe table spot at last week's PPV.
Highlights of Adam Cole and Jay Lethal's awesome match.
And I just now found this from last year. It's Adam Cole vs Shinsuke Nakamura. AWESOME
Kenny Omega entrances are the best. Hope he doesn't go to WWE.
Highlights of Adam Cole and Jay Lethal's awesome match.
And I just now found this from last year. It's Adam Cole vs Shinsuke Nakamura. AWESOME
Kenny Omega entrances are the best. Hope he doesn't go to WWE.
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In a discussion with Michael Cole as part of WWE.com's weekly interview series, Daniel Bryan talked about his time as general manager of SmackDown, doing commentary for the Cruiserweight Classic, and why Brock Lesnar was his dream opponent.
But most notably, Bryan had interesting comments when asked about Finn Balor’s recent shoulder injury. Bryan thought that Balor should've been on the WWE main roster long before he was called up, and thinks the same for Samoa Joe and Shinsuke Nakamura.
Bryan said: "The most tragic part, that kind of stuff happens... the most tragic part to me is it happens as soon as he gets up here. And I think one of the things that really upsets me about the whole situation is that Finn Balor should’ve been up here a year and a half ago.
And I understand that NXT is a very important part of our programming, a very important part of the Network, but he was a superstar when we signed him. And some people have to adjust to the WWE style, but for a guy like Finn Balor that takes no more than six months.
So, he’s in the prime of his career right now, like he just turned 35 the day he debuted on Raw. Right? Like, he should’ve been here a year and a half ago. Samoa Joe should already be here. Shinsuke Nakamura should already be here. Those are guys in their primes and they’re down on NXT right now, and they should be here... either on SmackDown Live or on Raw.
And the longer we wait, the more bumps they take, the more bruises they get, and the more susceptible they are to injury. Everybody knows there’s a finite number of hits you can take in your career, you don’t know what number that is. And the more times you take those hits down on NXT, the less hits you’re going to be able to take when you’re here.”
But most notably, Bryan had interesting comments when asked about Finn Balor’s recent shoulder injury. Bryan thought that Balor should've been on the WWE main roster long before he was called up, and thinks the same for Samoa Joe and Shinsuke Nakamura.
Bryan said: "The most tragic part, that kind of stuff happens... the most tragic part to me is it happens as soon as he gets up here. And I think one of the things that really upsets me about the whole situation is that Finn Balor should’ve been up here a year and a half ago.
And I understand that NXT is a very important part of our programming, a very important part of the Network, but he was a superstar when we signed him. And some people have to adjust to the WWE style, but for a guy like Finn Balor that takes no more than six months.
So, he’s in the prime of his career right now, like he just turned 35 the day he debuted on Raw. Right? Like, he should’ve been here a year and a half ago. Samoa Joe should already be here. Shinsuke Nakamura should already be here. Those are guys in their primes and they’re down on NXT right now, and they should be here... either on SmackDown Live or on Raw.
And the longer we wait, the more bumps they take, the more bruises they get, and the more susceptible they are to injury. Everybody knows there’s a finite number of hits you can take in your career, you don’t know what number that is. And the more times you take those hits down on NXT, the less hits you’re going to be able to take when you’re here.”
It's a catch 22, you know? They should be on the main roster but NXT is also soooo much better in delivering a great product. WWE usually strips that down from you on the main roster and can kill your character. Would we rather see Nakamura being booked like Ziggler and some low card guy or be "the man" on NXT? It's a legitimate concern and it's why guys like Kenny Omega have been hesitant to come to WWE.
If it were me, I would book SmackDown just like NXT. Let it be about wrestling, old school and even indie style. Let Raw be the commercial "sports entertainment" thing. It would absolutely work.
I don't think AJ had a bad match in New Japan but any of the matches with AJ/Okada or AJ/Tanahashi are nothing short of spectacular.
NXT should be developmemental, period - but WWE is egotistical. They want to have NXT known as the second best US promotion. They have seized a chance to make money (fine, they are in business to make money). But keeping a guy in NXT to keep it strong would be like a baseball team keeping a prospect in AAA to help that club out.
Let the guys who need to develop work NXT. Let the others "succeed and proceed".
As for guys avoiding WWE because they want to wrestle their matches?
Someone needs to remind them it's a work and they should be chasing dollars. Period. How much money is enough? Debt free. Savings earning enough interest to pay living expenses. Disability insurance. Health insurance.
Got that much? Then wrestle for less than top dollar. Have fun. Be a mark for yourself.
Until then? Make hay while the sun shines.
Let the guys who need to develop work NXT. Let the others "succeed and proceed".
As for guys avoiding WWE because they want to wrestle their matches?
Someone needs to remind them it's a work and they should be chasing dollars. Period. How much money is enough? Debt free. Savings earning enough interest to pay living expenses. Disability insurance. Health insurance.
Got that much? Then wrestle for less than top dollar. Have fun. Be a mark for yourself.
Until then? Make hay while the sun shines.
Were the Godwinns unavailable?
RE: Samoa Joe on the main roster
Daniel Bryan is right - Samoa Joe is ready for the call up to the main roster. He's only a couple years younger than Cena. But I disagree with him on this: Joe wasn't ready from the outset. Joe NEEDED a good run in NXT to rejuvenate his career because he was a broken shell of a man in TNA right around the time he got kidnapped by ninjas. He's found the fountain of youth and then some. I liked Joe's match with Nakamura better than Sami Zayn's match with Nakamura, and that match was unbelievable.
RE: Summerslam
I liked Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Orton. I still like Brock Lesnar.
AJ Styles vs. John Cena ruled. Just an awesome story told, and a simple one - Even without the Club interfering, in a totally fair fight, AJ Styles was still the better man. That's as strongly as anybody has ever looked in a match with John Cena. The 7-8 best matches of the year on the main roster have had either AJ Styles or Roman Reigns in them. I think AJ is having the best year of anybody in the company, and that includes NXT. Cena of course is outstanding too and if he's taking time off to film some stuff, that's a great note to go out on.
RE: My top 16
(1) AJ Styles
(16) Scott Dawson
(8) Seth Rollins
(9) Randy Orton
(5) John Cena
(12) Big E
(4) Shinsuke Nakamura
(13) Dean Ambrose
(6) Kevin Owens
(11) Cesaro
(3) Roman Reigns
(14) Sami Zayn
(7) Samoa Joe
(10) Sheamus
(2) Brock Lesnar
(15) Jason Jordan
Tell me you wouldn't watch the crap out of that tournament.
<--- Not a Finn Balor guy. Maybe I will be one day, and I hate that he got injured. But I just don't feel what he does. Hard to explain.
Have a lariat.
Have a backdrop driver.
@Lexie's Dad
But at the same time, booking you like a chump completely kills your appeal to fans and as a result, to bookers of other promotions as well. I don't think it's so much as being a smark for yourself as not wanting to be booked to be a joke and weaker than someone who is less talented than you in the ring, on the mic and personality/character wise.
You think someone like Kenny Omega or Nakamura should be fine with being booked to job to someone like Ryback after getting over with fans? The money in NJPW doesn't suck that bad. Sure, WWE has the deepest pockets but at the same time, these guys got into wrestling because they like wrestling and they tend to have big egos.
@BKH34 Great tourney. I don't know much about Dawson's work outside of the two matches I've watched them. I would be curious to see how that tourney would play out.
@TransyCat09 I saw where Bret Hart had more words about Rollins getting Balor hurt.
Kind of wondered who was better: Kurt Angle or Bret Hart?
But at the same time, booking you like a chump completely kills your appeal to fans and as a result, to bookers of other promotions as well. I don't think it's so much as being a smark for yourself as not wanting to be booked to be a joke and weaker than someone who is less talented than you in the ring, on the mic and personality/character wise.
You think someone like Kenny Omega or Nakamura should be fine with being booked to job to someone like Ryback after getting over with fans? The money in NJPW doesn't suck that bad. Sure, WWE has the deepest pockets but at the same time, these guys got into wrestling because they like wrestling and they tend to have big egos.
@BKH34 Great tourney. I don't know much about Dawson's work outside of the two matches I've watched them. I would be curious to see how that tourney would play out.
@TransyCat09 I saw where Bret Hart had more words about Rollins getting Balor hurt.
Kind of wondered who was better: Kurt Angle or Bret Hart?
Meltzer wrote this about original SummerSlam plans.
From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter:
There were a number of major stories coming out of SummerSlam this year.
Finn Balor became the new Universal champion, the main singles title on Raw, beating Seth Rollins. But in doing so, Balor suffered a dislocated right shoulder (which he popped back in himself immediately and continued the match) and torn labrum from taking a power bomb into the barricade.
The injury required surgery, which he got on 8/23 in Birmingham, AL, and he’ll likely be out of action about six months. The statement from Dr. Jeffrey Dugas, who performed the surgery, stated, “Finn’s injury was pretty severe, more severe than normal, a really high energy injury. It did more damage than a standard shoulder dislocation where you simply tear the labrum. The prognosis is excellent, however. We were able to fix it all and put it back where it came from. I’m anticipating him getting back at full speed.”
The injury leads to a number of questions, since it’s the fourth major injury involving Rollins, including breaking John Cena’s nose, injuring Sting twice on power bombs into the turnbuckles, which ended his career, and this one. The power bomb into the turnbuckle, let alone into the barricade, can be a dangerous move because the person taking it has little or no control of their bump. That said, the move is being done all the time in wrestling now and Sting and Balor have been the only ones seriously hurt by it, and Sting was 56 years old at the time.
This led to a complete change of plans for the already-written Raw show, which was focused around the crowning of a new champion. This came at the same time as Smackdown introduced both a tag team and women’s titles, not called Universal but just called Smackdown championships, both of which will be crowned on their 9/11 Backlash PPV from Richmond, VA.
The plans for Balor were to defend the title against Kevin Owens at the Clash of the Champions show on 9/25 in Indianapolis. Plans were made to have a finish that would lead to a Balor vs. Owens vs. Chris Jericho three-way on 10/30 in Boston.
Instead, the title will be decided on 8/29 in Houston in a four-way with Owens, Seth Rollins, Big Cass and Roman Reigns. Reigns and Rollins, who would be the highest on the totem poll right now, were both originally scheduled to be kept out of the title picture for a few months, but due to the injury, may be back in. The tournament showed just how thin Raw was on top on the face side, as the fans don’t like Reigns, but he’s the company favorite. They were trying to put him in with Rusev and keep him out of the title picture hoping this new vision for him would work. But no matter who gets the title, if Reigns isn’t the top face, the pickings are slim, apparently limited to Sami Zayn, Big Cass and Cesaro. They’ve kept Zayn at a certain level, and didn’t even bother with Cesaro in the tournament. Cass was obviously a long-term project who isn’t ready for a top singles position just yet.
And also:
The original plans for SummerSlam included a Corbin vs. Kalisto match but because of new match additions and 13 matches scheduled they ended up being the odd men out. Balor was always scheduled to make his PPV debut on the show but originally it was to be against Jericho since Reigns vs. Rollins was the scheduled title match main event. Originally Raw was to get the real title and Smackdown would get the made up title (which Styles was to have won). The Reigns drug test failure changed all the plans and the decision was to have another babyface put in the top position on Raw and Reigns be moved down as punishment. The Raw face side was very weak as with the exception of part-timers Lesnar and Show, the top faces were Cesaro and Zayn. Rather than go with them, since Cesaro has been typecast at a certain level and even though Zayn did beat Owens, clearly the decision was made not to go with him, they decided to instantly make Balor the top guy, at least until they go back to Reigns. Of course now everything is up in the air
From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter:
There were a number of major stories coming out of SummerSlam this year.
Finn Balor became the new Universal champion, the main singles title on Raw, beating Seth Rollins. But in doing so, Balor suffered a dislocated right shoulder (which he popped back in himself immediately and continued the match) and torn labrum from taking a power bomb into the barricade.
The injury required surgery, which he got on 8/23 in Birmingham, AL, and he’ll likely be out of action about six months. The statement from Dr. Jeffrey Dugas, who performed the surgery, stated, “Finn’s injury was pretty severe, more severe than normal, a really high energy injury. It did more damage than a standard shoulder dislocation where you simply tear the labrum. The prognosis is excellent, however. We were able to fix it all and put it back where it came from. I’m anticipating him getting back at full speed.”
The injury leads to a number of questions, since it’s the fourth major injury involving Rollins, including breaking John Cena’s nose, injuring Sting twice on power bombs into the turnbuckles, which ended his career, and this one. The power bomb into the turnbuckle, let alone into the barricade, can be a dangerous move because the person taking it has little or no control of their bump. That said, the move is being done all the time in wrestling now and Sting and Balor have been the only ones seriously hurt by it, and Sting was 56 years old at the time.
This led to a complete change of plans for the already-written Raw show, which was focused around the crowning of a new champion. This came at the same time as Smackdown introduced both a tag team and women’s titles, not called Universal but just called Smackdown championships, both of which will be crowned on their 9/11 Backlash PPV from Richmond, VA.
The plans for Balor were to defend the title against Kevin Owens at the Clash of the Champions show on 9/25 in Indianapolis. Plans were made to have a finish that would lead to a Balor vs. Owens vs. Chris Jericho three-way on 10/30 in Boston.
Instead, the title will be decided on 8/29 in Houston in a four-way with Owens, Seth Rollins, Big Cass and Roman Reigns. Reigns and Rollins, who would be the highest on the totem poll right now, were both originally scheduled to be kept out of the title picture for a few months, but due to the injury, may be back in. The tournament showed just how thin Raw was on top on the face side, as the fans don’t like Reigns, but he’s the company favorite. They were trying to put him in with Rusev and keep him out of the title picture hoping this new vision for him would work. But no matter who gets the title, if Reigns isn’t the top face, the pickings are slim, apparently limited to Sami Zayn, Big Cass and Cesaro. They’ve kept Zayn at a certain level, and didn’t even bother with Cesaro in the tournament. Cass was obviously a long-term project who isn’t ready for a top singles position just yet.
And also:
The original plans for SummerSlam included a Corbin vs. Kalisto match but because of new match additions and 13 matches scheduled they ended up being the odd men out. Balor was always scheduled to make his PPV debut on the show but originally it was to be against Jericho since Reigns vs. Rollins was the scheduled title match main event. Originally Raw was to get the real title and Smackdown would get the made up title (which Styles was to have won). The Reigns drug test failure changed all the plans and the decision was to have another babyface put in the top position on Raw and Reigns be moved down as punishment. The Raw face side was very weak as with the exception of part-timers Lesnar and Show, the top faces were Cesaro and Zayn. Rather than go with them, since Cesaro has been typecast at a certain level and even though Zayn did beat Owens, clearly the decision was made not to go with him, they decided to instantly make Balor the top guy, at least until they go back to Reigns. Of course now everything is up in the air
I get it. I switched jobs 5 years ago for a title and money. It was the right decision. I was miserable and it ended up as a dumpster fire. I was future endeavored, found a job with less money than job one but better bosses and now am happier. I've learned to value bosses and coworkers over titles and salary.
But I owed it to myself and family to try. I had no clue that the bank I jumped to was filled with asshats and I wouldn't fit in.
Albert (Matt Bloom) had a great run in Japan and bombed as Tensai when he returned. He eventually became the top NXT trainer.
I feel that every wrestler who can should make their money and try WWE.
Hell, if WWE ruins them they get sympathy and it doesn't hurt them when they leave. Most are better off when they leave.
Not to mention some of the New Japan wrestlers left for a few years to do some MMA to pursue that career and made their way back to New Japan.
Reading the NXT and Crusierweight Classic spoilers looks like some good stuff coming down the pipe in the next month or so.
Maybe Joe could rename himself "Broken Samoa Joe"
Heard TNA has filmed a "Final Deletion 2" with the Hardy's and Decay.
I would say Albert's first WWF success was due more to Trish Stratus than anything else, although he was always a whole lot better than Test.
Maybe Joe could rename himself "Broken Samoa Joe"
Heard TNA has filmed a "Final Deletion 2" with the Hardy's and Decay.
I would say Albert's first WWF success was due more to Trish Stratus than anything else, although he was always a whole lot better than Test.
As far as professional wrestling goes, Bret was better than Kurt and it wasn't even close. Kurt was awesome, super athletic, picked up the working aspect incredibly quickly, his matches with Brock and Benoit are all-timers...but he just wasn't as good as Bret.
How far are you? It gets really good when he finally gets to WWF. The Stampede Wrestling stuff is good especially when he's encountering these people that eventually make it to the big leagues but the WWF stuff is more fun because of the players involved.
He has also not changed his story one iota about Shawn Michaels. Even in the Shawn vs Bret DVD, Hart says the exact same story to HBK's face that he said in the book. Ole HBK always seems to have trouble remembering anything bad he's ever done.
Read today where Terri Runnels wanted nothing to do with the baby miscarriage angle. Said she fought and pleaded with Vince (Russo, not McMahon) but Vince won out and made her do the angle. Should have been a clue right there he was a POS.
Never knew this about the Briscoes. WWE told them that they were not "cosmetically pleasing enough for WWE."
Yeah, one of the best tag teams in the world with two great workers is of no interest to wrestling fans.
Brock Lesnar vs Shinsuke Nakamaura from 2006.
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Attitude Era Vince Russo also wanted Owen Hart to become a womanizer and do an angle where he had sex with Debra.
Attitude Era Vince Russo also wanted Ken Shamrock to do an incest angle where he lusted over his sister.
Attitude Era Vince Russo also wanted Edge to wrestle as a deaf mute.
Survivor Series 1998, tho.
Attitude Era Vince Russo also wanted Ken Shamrock to do an incest angle where he lusted over his sister.
Attitude Era Vince Russo also wanted Edge to wrestle as a deaf mute.
Survivor Series 1998, tho.
Ken Shamrock's real life is so messed up that the angle wouldn't be the most far fetched.
Didn't Owen try to join the fire department so he could quit wresting but was turned down? Even in WWF, he was trying to get out.
Kudos to anyone being able to stomach Russo's voice for more than 30 seconds.
[laughing]
I want to live post this show some time. It's crazy fun and it's from K-Mac's old stomping grounds (Hara Arena). It has the one good Ric Flair vs. Bret Hart match on it too. And Chris Benoit vs. Raven. And La Parka.
If the original plan was for Finn Balor to feud with Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho in a 3-way feud in a couple of months then do they just go with Owens at this point?
If so, then who's the top face? Reigns again? They have too many heels right now. Basically your face options as it stands are Reigns, Zayn and Big Cass.
If so, then who's the top face? Reigns again? They have too many heels right now. Basically your face options as it stands are Reigns, Zayn and Big Cass.