Climate Change Nightmares Are Already Here
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And even if humans (or our robot overlords) develop technology to deflect all future inbound planet-devastating comets or asteroids, our sun is gonna eventually swole up and swallow us (along with Mercury & Venus) anyway. Ain't no stopping that ish no matter how many dumbass solar panels or windmills are slammed on buildings.
Nah, man. We'll just send Bruce Willis and Ben Afleck to drill a hole in it and nuke the thing before it reaches our atmosphere.
Wrong - Thanks for playing:
BEIJING — Chinese leader Xi Jinping and President Obama struck a deal Wednesday to limit greenhouse gases, with China committing for the first time to cap carbon emissions and Obama unveiling a plan for deeper U.S. emissions reductions through 2025.
China, the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, pledged in the far-reaching agreement to cap its rapidly growing carbon emissions by 2030, or earlier if possible. It also set a daunting goal of increasing the share of non-fossil fuels to 20 percent of the country’s energy mix by 2030.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...768504-69e6-11e4-9fb4-a622dae742a2_story.html
As international climate negotiations progress this week in Bangkok, Thailand, India has shown signs of more proactive engagement on climate change issues both internationally and at home.
While the Indian government continues to emphasize poverty alleviation and economic development as the country's highest priorities, recent stances on domestic emission reductions indicate that India is taking considerable steps to encourage more constructive global climate talks.
India joins a growing contingent of developing countries that "are making very significant efforts to show what they are doing to address climate change and indicate what more they are willing to do," according to U.N. climate chief Yvo de Boer.
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6278
Nevermind all that. If Facebook has taught me anything, it's that we're doomed to ride the slippery slope to incestuous, polygamist marriages between pan-sexual trans-gendered persons who are selling aborted fetus organs to get their next fix of Obamacare subsidized meth so they can more energetically write angry posts about dentists killing lions in Africa. Or something like that. But that point is that we're doomed long before the Sun swallows us.
That climate.gov link had this chart of climate for the last 11300 years (mankind's history) which may make me change my mind.
So who the f*** took the readings 10,000 years before present?
Scientists at Rochester A&M University have collaberated with ELOH analysts to produce data which suggests that something as simple as everybody planting one tree during their lifetime will not only halt global warming but reverse its effects in less than a decade.
Oh, that's great. By 2030 China agrees to TRY to cap emissions. I'm sure that will work out just great.
The other poster, I caught your sarcasm, it just wasn't worth replying to.
Algore went from a net worth of about $2 million when he left his VP gig to what it is now...$200 million. He has many investments like Apple and such...but also included in his portfolio is 14 Green Energy companies in which he has major investments and all 14 of which have received Federal Grant money.
Also, there's this little tidbit...
Bloomberg marks the dissonance between Gore's accumulated fortune and his role as a Democratic proponent of clean energy. In 2007, for instance, public records revealed that the energy consumption at his Nashville home was 20 times the national average.
Not to mention all of his private jet flights to his Green Energy speaking engagements all over the world.
That deal with China is a complete joke. Kerry and Obama got nothing from the Chinese other than a promise to start cutting CO2 emissions 15 years from now. It is non-binding and there are no consequences to the Chinese if they don't live up to the deal. They openly plan to increase emissions up until 2030 (their peak emission year). For the alarmists, isn't that too late or way past the "tipping point"?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mcconnell-says-us-china-climate-deal-means-c/
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We are doomed. Never in earth's history has there been droughts, or heat waves, or excessive cold, or snow fall. I am 64 years old, so maybe I will outlast the global doom caused by man.
While in this country Obama wants to shut down coal fire dplants, not build any nuclear, make consumers pay thru the nose for electricity, while he whiles away the hours drawing a huge pensions, flying all over the world, and giving speeches for thousands of dollars, while idiots like the op struggle to make ends meet.
What ever happened to rolling Stone writing about music and MTV playing music videos?
You don't see me going to the discovery channel for music documentaries. I go there for "Naked and Afraid."
Also, global warming is real.
You don't see me going to the discovery channel for music documentaries. I go there for "Naked and Afraid."
Also, global warming is real.
Say what you want about Rolling Stone, but Matt Taibbi is great.
Sweet I did my part then. I may cut it down since I planted the state tree of Kentucky on the day we lost in the final 4 this year tho.
Al Gore flys on a jet? WOW, just WOW, why they heck didn't he take a bicycle on those trips to LA and DC, and his staff could ride one too! and why can't he live in a 2 bedroom duplex? hypocrite!
I'm not a Chinese apologist by any stretch but the fact is their economy is expanding at a rate of about 5 times of what the US economy is and they are having to build a new coal-fired steam plant every week just to keep the lights on. OTOH they are spending $100 Billion a year on alternative energy R&D and production and are rapidly trying to move some of their power requirements over to alternatives but it takes time. If they flipped the switch off on coal today their economy would collapse. 2030 or earlier is a reasonable goal to put a cap on but to achieve that there would have to be a consistent decrease in co2 emissions for art of the period up to that. The decreases will help.
To original assertion was that they are doing nothing on reducing emissions, that isn't the case. It's not like they are sitting on their a$$ until 12-31-29.
The bold part is so interesting. Who the hell was keeping records on rain in California 1000 years ago?
Come on folks. This is just pure stupidity.
In July my part of Kentucky got 7 inches of rain. The usual is far, far less, so it that also a sign of global warming.
Someone says well we have had the coldest day in history this yr....global warming ppl come zip lining it "that's not global warming, that doesn't mean anything, you don't understand"
Then Have hottest day in history "see see, told ya, global warming"
My response: don't care. Is the world ending from it in the next 60 yrs? If not I don't care, I'll be dead by then...and even if it does in the next 50 or 60 I'll be so old I'll wish I was dead anyway.
Then Have hottest day in history "see see, told ya, global warming"
My response: don't care. Is the world ending from it in the next 60 yrs? If not I don't care, I'll be dead by then...and even if it does in the next 50 or 60 I'll be so old I'll wish I was dead anyway.
[QUis mainly about the moneyTE="Kaizer Sosay, post: 2056881, member: 7126"]Algore went from a net worth of about $2 million when he left his VP gig to what it is now...$200 million. He has many investments like Apple and such...but also included in his portfolio is 14 Green Energy companies in which he has major investments and all 14 of which have received Federal Grant money.
Also, there's this little tidbit...
Bloomberg marks the dissonance between Gore's accumulated fortune and his role as a Democratic proponent of clean energy. In 2007, for instance, public records revealed that the energy consumption at his Nashville home was 20 times the national average.
Not to mention all of his private jet flights to his Green Energy speaking engagements all over the world.[/QUOTE]
It is mainly about the money. It is just ridiculous how many people have been duped. Scare tactics really work.
Also, there's this little tidbit...
Bloomberg marks the dissonance between Gore's accumulated fortune and his role as a Democratic proponent of clean energy. In 2007, for instance, public records revealed that the energy consumption at his Nashville home was 20 times the national average.
Not to mention all of his private jet flights to his Green Energy speaking engagements all over the world.[/QUOTE]
It is mainly about the money. It is just ridiculous how many people have been duped. Scare tactics really work.
Hahahahaha. Nice deflection.
But you're missing the point. Not saying he shouldn't fly. But when he does fly...he flies a private jet...which isn't even at full capacity. While he tells everyone else they are killing the planet he hops on a private jet instead of flying commercial. How hypocritical is that, you ask? Let's take a look...
A new report released by Essential Action and the Institute for Policy Studies — two left-leaning Washington think thanks — makes the case that America’s fleet of 10,000 private jets are extracting a huge cost from everyday Americans.
The report is titled “High Flyers: How Private Jet Travel is Straining the System, Warming the Planet and Costing You Money.” It says that while jets are making life easy for the rich, they’re making life miserable for the rest of the country. The reasons include:
In another study they reviewed 10 popular private jets using emissions stats provided by TerraPass, the offset company used by Chief Executive Air. The planes ranged from the Gulfstream 400, which burns up 32l of fuel a minute and can carry up to 19 passengers, to the Learjet 40XR, which burns more than 13l a minute to carry a maximum of five passengers.
HeliumReport converts this fuel burn into carbon dioxide emissions per hour. If we assume the plane is fully loaded with passengers, they mostly come in at between 200-300kg of carbon dioxide put into the atmosphere per passenger per hour. But of course, the purpose of having your own jet is that you are not stuck with silly cost-cutting exercises like filling every seat on the plane.
I know of no analysis of how full private jets normally fly, but let's assume they are mostly half full. That gives emissions per passenger-hour of 400-600kg of carbon dioxide. That's about half a tonne.
How does that compare with a regular commercial flight? For one from London to Paris, which is roughly an hour, TerraPass reckons 59kg per passenger per hour, or little more more than a 10th as much as flying your own, half full, Learjet.
And to be honest, I don't care if he flies a private jet by himself every time he goes to the c-store down the street or if he lives in a 400,000 sq ft palace. But if you do those types of things then stop telling everyone else how horrible they are for killing the planet.
Why can't the models make accurate predictions?
Because the models are not accurate.
Why are the models not accurate?
They have been fed inaccurate data.
Why is the data not accurate?
Data manipulation.
If accurate data had been used in the models, they would make accurate predictions. Accurate predictions would not further the cause of the profiteers.
Because the models are not accurate.
Why are the models not accurate?
They have been fed inaccurate data.
Why is the data not accurate?
Data manipulation.
If accurate data had been used in the models, they would make accurate predictions. Accurate predictions would not further the cause of the profiteers.
The only concern I have regarding global warming is rising oceans. Everything else is a wash. Yeah, you might get some droughts, but you also will get more rain and warmer weather in other places which will help agriculture.
Are you serious? There's a strong El Nino going on...which is a natural phenomenon. Go study global climate during strong El Nino years. The floods, heatwaves, droughts etc...are all indicative of Nino years.
Of course...when you're not familiar with global weather you're at the mercy of everything you read.
Global warming is real & humans are playing "a" big role...but all the fear-mongering BS being spewed over the last few months is due to the UN climate talks coming up in Paris.
FWIW, humans have historically thrived during periods of global warming & normally suffer during periods of global cooling. So apart from the need to adapt to rising sea levels, warming is much better than cooling.
CIRCULAR REASONING
circulus in demonstrando
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Description: A type of reasoning in which the proposition is supported by the premises, which is supported by the proposition, creating a circle in reasoning where no useful information is being shared. This fallacy is often quite humorous.
Logical Form:
X is true because of Y.
Y is true because of X.
Example #1:
Pvt. Joe Bowers: What are these electrolytes? Do you even know?
Secretary of State: They're... what they use to make Brawndo!
Pvt. Joe Bowers: But why do they use them to make Brawndo?
Secretary of Defense: [raises hand after a pause] Because Brawndo's got electrolytes.
"Global warming is real & humans are playing "a" big role..."
False. You don't get to cry "El Nino" and "Pacific Decadal Oscillation" and then turn around and say we are responsible. You seem to know more about global climate than you do about controlling a population.
Using Rollingstone as your reference shows environmental foolishness. Another left wing publication if you ask me.
Why can't the models make accurate predictions?
They don't need to. They only need to fool idiots.
NON SEQUITUR
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Logical Form:
Claim A is made.
Evidence is presented for Claim A.
Therefore, claim C is true.
Example #1:
People generally like to walk on the beach. Beaches have sand. Therefore, having sand floors in homes would be a great idea!
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Description: Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making.
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Person 1 is claiming Y.
Person 1 is a moron.
Therefore, Y is not true.
Example #1:
My opponent suggests that lowering taxes will be a good idea -- this is coming from a woman who eats a pint of Ben and Jerry’s each night!
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Great, another person who obviously didn't read the article
From the article:
Positive phases of the PDO have been known to last for 15 to 20 years, during which global warming can increase at double the rate as during negative phases of the PDO. It also makes big El Niños, like this year's, more likely.
And again:
Significant northward surges of warm water have happened before, even frequently. El Niño, for example, does this on a predictable basis. But what's happening this year appears to be something new. Some climate scientists think that the wind shift is linked to the rapid decline in Arctic sea ice over the past few years, which separate research has shown makes weather patterns more likely to get stuck.
And just one more time:
Globally, 2014 was a record-setting year for ocean temperatures, and 2015 is on pace to beat it soundly, boosted by the El Niño in the Pacific. Six percent of the world's reefs could disappear before the end of the decade, perhaps permanently, thanks to warming waters.
I actually believe you that humans have thrived during warming periods. Crops have longer growing seasons, can grow further north/south depending on where you live.
But that was then and not when millions of people, heck billions of people who live around coastlines will have to be relocated. The military is planning for this because it will result in humanitarian crisises all over the globe and lead to war over land, water, food. Not over oil, gold, power or some other commodity. People will be fighting over water and food. Curious what people think is going to happen when you have less land and 2.5 billion more people?
We have to move away from fossil fuels as our main energy sources to advance as a race. We now have the technology to begin reducing coal, nuclear, and natural gas over the next 30-50 years. With advances in battery technology, solar efficency, and more energy efficient tools, appliances, cars etc , we are close to having the technology to switch to cleaner energy sources.
And for those imbeciles who say they are gonna be gone and don't care. Well I have kids so I do care. We have a moral obligation to our children, our childrens children.
Is this where people don't use plastic bags so they can feel like they're a good person?
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"But that was then and not when millions of people, heck billions of people who live around coastlines will have to be relocated. The military is planning for this because it will result in humanitarian crisises all over the globe and lead to war over land, water, food. Not over oil, gold, power or some other commodity. People will be fighting over water and food. Curious what people think is going to happen when you have less land and 2.5 billion more people?"
Agree with this but, the rest was bunk. Kind of. I agree with a different energy source but, the way we are going about it is all wrong. Government should not be putting billions of taxpayer dollars into it. Private industries must do this. Government puts it in the hands of those who put them in power who really don't care as long as the money keeps rolling in.
Agree with this but, the rest was bunk. Kind of. I agree with a different energy source but, the way we are going about it is all wrong. Government should not be putting billions of taxpayer dollars into it. Private industries must do this. Government puts it in the hands of those who put them in power who really don't care as long as the money keeps rolling in.
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2. If it is serious, the US would have to damage its economy in significant ways just to offset the increase in China between now and 2030 -- not to lower levels at all from today, just to assure China (and India) don't double today's levels.
This is the problem I see and we just cannot afford it right now. It is no different than people who want to fix their houses to upgrade them with the times but do not have the funds. We must wait until we get our spending under control or leave it to private businesses to figure it out.
2. If it is serious, the US would have to damage its economy in significant ways just to offset the increase in China between now and 2030 -- not to lower levels at all from today, just to assure China (and India) don't double today's levels.
This is the problem I see and we just cannot afford it right now. It is no different than people who want to fix their houses to upgrade them with the times but do not have the funds. We must wait until we get our spending under control or leave it to private businesses to figure it out.