Closing thoughts on the debate for the night

[DvlDog4WVU]

1. Despite the calamity that was the pre-production and lead in to the show I thought FNC did a fantastic job. Great questions that were pointed, hard yet fair, and covered a wide range of topics. Whenever the DNC debates are, they will have a very tough act to follow. Anything less than what FNC did will further cement their unwillingness to thoroughly vette the Dem candidates.

2. Reagan's 11th commandment was on full display tonight. Thou shalt not speak ill of other GOP candidates. Classy move by Jeb and Christie to not take the bait and attack Trump.

3. Kasich and Carson knocked the Gay/Race questions out of the park.

4. GOP strategy of pointing out DNCs tactics to divide and conquer played well. Strength and Unity are what this country needs. Going to put pressure on Hillary's creating victims tactics.

5. Rubio/Walker/Huckabee had the best digs on Hillary tonight. Rubio's comments vis a vis being blue collar, Walker's comment about Russia and China knowing more about Hillary's email than Congress, and Huckabee's switcharoo with the Trump/Hillary thing at the end were all masterful.

6. Trump was exposed. Thank god. He'll plummet in the polls.

7. My list after tonight in no order for what I would like to see in Jan: Kasich, Walker, Christie, Rubio, Bush, and Fiorina. (I keep Rubio for a VP nod to capture some of the Hispanic vote. I think he needs more exposure and to be in the public's face as a "hey the GOP has a Hispanic contender for the White House, DNC where is your diversity"? It could go a long way to bridging the divides the DNC has fooled American's into believing about the GOP.

8. Specific points that affected me: Christie actually made me think more positively about the Bulk Data Collection. Huckabee on Iran deal, the more I read the more I believe this is a mistake, but his speaking about BO's comments regarding the GOP were dead on. Bush's point about education being at the state level where it can be debated/addressed by concerned parents is something I never thought about but made complete sense. Lastly, hard to argue with the results of Walker, Kasich, and Christie's performance as a Gov.

9. For me, the issues are: Economy, Defense, Debt. The rest is a sideshow.

10. Megyn Kelly needs my seed. She is one sexy woman.

 

[TarHeelEer]

The rest is a sideshow.

The whole thing is a side show. Glad I didn't watch a minute of it.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

The whole thing is a side show. Glad I didn't watch a minute of it.

Thanks for adding nothing to this thread with your hipster "I'm cooler than you all because I support nothing" stance.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

For me, the issues are: Economy, Defense, Debt. The rest is a sideshow.

Unfortunately, there always seems to be one or two sideshow issues that dominate the airwaves during each election cycle and it distracts from the serious issues. Probably by design, I suppose.

I can't comment on anything else. I had other obligations and couldn't watch. I figure I'll read about it or watch on YouTube or something. There will surely be someplace where I can get caught up on it. Of course it's also 15 months until the election, so I'm not totally sure how much I care right now.

One snippet I heard on the radio this morning was Paul's response to the bulk data collection and intimating that Christie is with the president on that because he hugged him. Then Christie responded that the only hugs he remembers are hugging the families after 911. **** like that drives me f'n batty. (I get dragged down the rabbit hole on this board at times over similar things) IIRC Christie hugging Obama had to do with Hurricane Sandy relief efforts ... absolutely NOTHING to do with BDC so it was just a childish pot shot. But then Christie used that opportunity to conjure up 911 images. Pretty shameful for both, I think.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

That was a freak show except for Kasich.
I'm amazed that an educated man like Carson doesn't understand the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I think he understands, he just chooses to put his beliefs above, and contrary to, the US Constitution when he was talking about tax structure (mandating a 10% contribution to charities and religious organizations).
Some of these guys scare the hell out of me by their extremism and they don't even realize they are extremists. They talk about building up the military when we are already spending 170% of what the next four countries combined spend on their military. They talk about ending sequestration and sequestration was put in place by the Republicans. Geez!

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Thanks for adding nothing to this thread with your hipster "I'm cooler than you all because I support nothing" stance.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Thanks for adding nothing to this thread with your hipster "I'm cooler than you all because I support nothing" stance.

I can out hipster that!!

Glad I don't have Cable TV and thus could not watch the debate.

 

[rog1187]

1. Despite the calamity that was the pre-production and lead in to the show I thought FNC did a fantastic job. Great questions that were pointed, hard yet fair, and covered a wide range of topics. Whenever the DNC debates are, they will have a very tough act to follow. Anything less than what FNC did will further cement their unwillingness to thoroughly vette the Dem candidates.

2. Reagan's 11th commandment was on full display tonight. Thou shalt not speak ill of other GOP candidates. Classy move by Jeb and Christie to not take the bait and attack Trump.

3. Kasich and Carson knocked the Gay/Race questions out of the park.

4. GOP strategy of pointing out DNCs tactics to divide and conquer played well. Strength and Unity are what this country needs. Going to put pressure on Hillary's creating victims tactics.

5. Rubio/Walker/Huckabee had the best digs on Hillary tonight. Rubio's comments vis a vis being blue collar, Walker's comment about Russia and China knowing more about Hillary's email than Congress, and Huckabee's switcharoo with the Trump/Hillary thing at the end were all masterful.

6. Trump was exposed. Thank god. He'll plummet in the polls.

7. My list after tonight in no order for what I would like to see in Jan: Kasich, Walker, Christie, Rubio, Bush, and Fiorina. (I keep Rubio for a VP nod to capture some of the Hispanic vote. I think he needs more exposure and to be in the public's face as a "hey the GOP has a Hispanic contender for the White House, DNC where is your diversity"? It could go a long way to bridging the divides the DNC has fooled American's into believing about the GOP.

8. Specific points that affected me: Christie actually made me think more positively about the Bulk Data Collection. Huckabee on Iran deal, the more I read the more I believe this is a mistake, but his speaking about BO's comments regarding the GOP were dead on. Bush's point about education being at the state level where it can be debated/addressed by concerned parents is something I never thought about but made complete sense. Lastly, hard to argue with the results of Walker, Kasich, and Christie's performance as a Gov.

9. For me, the issues are: Economy, Defense, Debt. The rest is a sideshow.

10. Megyn Kelly needs my seed. She is one sexy woman.

Didn't watch the whole thing...too tired after a long day. I'm not sure anyone won the debate, but I think it may have knocked a few people out of the race - Carson for one is probably done. Would have liked to see Fiorina on the stage in prime time as I understand she did well in the earlier one.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Unfortunately, there always seems to be one or two sideshow issues that dominate the airwaves during each election cycle and it distracts from the serious issues. Probably by design, I suppose.

I can't comment on anything else. I had other obligations and couldn't watch. I figure I'll read about it or watch on YouTube or something. There will surely be someplace where I can get caught up on it. Of course it's also 15 months until the election, so I'm not totally sure how much I care right now.

One snippet I heard on the radio this morning was Paul's response to the bulk data collection and intimating that Christie is with the president on that because he hugged him. Then Christie responded that the only hugs he remembers are hugging the families after 911. **** like that drives me f'n batty. (I get dragged down the rabbit hole on this board at times over similar things) IIRC Christie hugging Obama had to do with Hurricane Sandy relief efforts ... absolutely NOTHING to do with BDC so it was just a childish pot shot. But then Christie used that opportunity to conjure up 911 images. Pretty shameful for both, I think.

If you watch the Christie-Paul thing in its entirety it was actually pretty good. The points Christie were making vis a vis 9/11 were cogent and relatable. It wasn't so much of a conjure up as it was to place bonafides behind his point.

 

[bornaneer]

That was a freak show except for Kasich.
I'm amazed that an educated man like Carson doesn't understand the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I think he understands, he just chooses to put his beliefs above, and contrary to, the US Constitution when he was talking about tax structure (mandating a 10% contribution to charities and religious organizations).
Some of these guys scare the hell out of me by their extremism and they don't even realize they are extremists. They talk about building up the military when we are already spending 170% of what the next four countries combined spend on their military. They talk about ending sequestration and sequestration was put in place by the Republicans. Geez!

Kasich may have a shot. This was not a good forum for Trump. I think Carson's awkward explanation of his tax ideas went right over your head. He never said ANYTHING about mandating a 10% contribution to charities and religious organizations. He unfortunately mentioned a comparison to tithing, which was sure to send some intolerants into a frenzy. He basically was proposing a 10% tax. One thing you and I both know is that we WILL NOT see any tough questions,like we all saw last night, directed to Hillary at the DNC event. Also, the more I see of Megan Kelly the less I like her.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

That was a freak show except for Kasich.
I'm amazed that an educated man like Carson doesn't understand the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I think he understands, he just chooses to put his beliefs above, and contrary to, the US Constitution when he was talking about tax structure (mandating a 10% contribution to charities and religious organizations).
Some of these guys scare the hell out of me by their extremism and they don't even realize they are extremists. They talk about building up the military when we are already spending 170% of what the next four countries combined spend on their military. They talk about ending sequestration and sequestration was put in place by the Republicans. Geez!

2 Questions:
What are you talking about with Carson's lack of understanding of the First Amendment? He was talking about using the 10% flat rate tax and tithing being the model. He wasn't saying there was a requirement to actually tithe. Was that really your takeaway?

Our military does need an overhaul and modernization. Not sure I agree about increasing the overall size because I think we should privatize a lot of the support functions as the private market can do it a hell of lot cheaper and better. I do think we need to work on the specialized side of the military and continue to transform from a giant occupying military to more of a quick strike, hit hard, and scoot. The reality is that we don't have a need for a lot of the conventional tactics of years past. We need surgical ability.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

If you watch the Christie-Paul thing in its entirety it was actually pretty good. The points Christie were making vis a vis 9/11 were cogent and relatable. It wasn't so much of a conjure up as it was to place bonafides behind his point.

I figured what I heard would probably mean more in context, but it definitely sounded childish in the snippet I heard.

 

[AirForceer_rivals]

The whole thing is a side show. Glad I didn't watch a minute of it.

If you didn't watch a minute of it, how to do you know it was a side show? Just say!

 

[Lydeck]

If you watch the Christie-Paul thing in its entirety it was actually pretty good. The points Christie were making vis a vis 9/11 were cogent and relatable. It wasn't so much of a conjure up as it was to place bonafides behind his point.

I didn't get to Paul's idiotic comment about Obama hugging, because all I heard was Christie essentially saying, "**** your rights because the world is a scurry place."

The fact that **** like that gets said by politicians and is actually lauded is sad.

 

[WVPATX]

1. Despite the calamity that was the pre-production and lead in to the show I thought FNC did a fantastic job. Great questions that were pointed, hard yet fair, and covered a wide range of topics. Whenever the DNC debates are, they will have a very tough act to follow. Anything less than what FNC did will further cement their unwillingness to thoroughly vette the Dem candidates.

2. Reagan's 11th commandment was on full display tonight. Thou shalt not speak ill of other GOP candidates. Classy move by Jeb and Christie to not take the bait and attack Trump.

3. Kasich and Carson knocked the Gay/Race questions out of the park.

4. GOP strategy of pointing out DNCs tactics to divide and conquer played well. Strength and Unity are what this country needs. Going to put pressure on Hillary's creating victims tactics.

5. Rubio/Walker/Huckabee had the best digs on Hillary tonight. Rubio's comments vis a vis being blue collar, Walker's comment about Russia and China knowing more about Hillary's email than Congress, and Huckabee's switcharoo with the Trump/Hillary thing at the end were all masterful.

6. Trump was exposed. Thank god. He'll plummet in the polls.

7. My list after tonight in no order for what I would like to see in Jan: Kasich, Walker, Christie, Rubio, Bush, and Fiorina. (I keep Rubio for a VP nod to capture some of the Hispanic vote. I think he needs more exposure and to be in the public's face as a "hey the GOP has a Hispanic contender for the White House, DNC where is your diversity"? It could go a long way to bridging the divides the DNC has fooled American's into believing about the GOP.

8. Specific points that affected me: Christie actually made me think more positively about the Bulk Data Collection. Huckabee on Iran deal, the more I read the more I believe this is a mistake, but his speaking about BO's comments regarding the GOP were dead on. Bush's point about education being at the state level where it can be debated/addressed by concerned parents is something I never thought about but made complete sense. Lastly, hard to argue with the results of Walker, Kasich, and Christie's performance as a Gov.

9. For me, the issues are: Economy, Defense, Debt. The rest is a sideshow.

10. Megyn Kelly needs my seed. She is one sexy woman.

Good analysis. My only exception is Trump. His supporters are hard core. But he doesn't move beyond them, imp.

 

[dave]

That was a freak show except for Kasich.
I'm amazed that an educated man like Carson doesn't understand the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I think he understands, he just chooses to put his beliefs above, and contrary to, the US Constitution when he was talking about tax structure (mandating a 10% contribution to charities and religious organizations).
Some of these guys scare the hell out of me by their extremism and they don't even realize they are extremists. They talk about building up the military when we are already spending 170% of what the next four countries combined spend on their military. They talk about ending sequestration and sequestration was put in place by the Republicans. Geez!

Im just going to go out on a limb and suggest tha carson the other candidates are a little smarter than you.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Im just going to go out on a limb and suggest tha carson the other candidates are a little smarter than you.

I'm still amazed that was his takeaway from what Carson said. Probably sat there and fumed about it for a solid 12 hrs all the while being completely wrong.

For the record, I would take 10% flat tax all day every day.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Im just going to go out on a limb and suggest tha carson the other candidates are a little smarter than you.

When a guy talks about setting up a tax structure based on biblical principles when the 1st Amendment is very simple and clear, he's not very intelligent.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

When a guy talks about setting up a tax structure based on biblical principles when the 1st Amendment is very simple and clear, he's not very intelligent.

Hahahahhaa, you thought he was talking about requiring tithes. Now that you've been corrected you are trying not to look stupid when he was talking about using a 10% flat tax which has been discussed for years. It's not even his idea.

Just admit you were wrong and stay out of the conversation.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Hahahahhaa, you thought he was talking about requiring tithes. Now that you've been corrected you are trying not to look stupid when he was talking about using a 10% flat tax which has been discussed for years. It's not even his idea.

Just admit you were wrong and stay out of the conversation.

DvlDog, "you're bleeding out of your eyeballs and your....". You do realize Carson complained of the military being too small and weak and blamed it on sequestration? (which I agree with the cause) You also realize sequestration is a Republican thing? Right? How intelligent was that?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

DvlDog, "you're bleeding out of your eyeballs and your....". You do realize Carson complained of the military being too small and weak and blamed it on sequestration? (which I agree with the cause) You also realize sequestration is a Republican thing? Right? How intelligent was that?

No no no sir. The discussion is on your misinterpretation of one specific area and it being a violation of the 1st amednment? Don't try to turn the conversation. You talked out of your *** and you were called on it. Admit it, own up to it, and move on.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

No no no sir. The discussion is on your misinterpretation of one specific area and it being a violation of the 1st amednment? Don't try to turn the conversation. You talked out of your *** and you were called on it. Admit it, own up to it, and move on.

I've searched on Youtube for that segment of the debate on Fox and it appears they edited that piece out. I wanted to put out exactly what he said, word for word. He did say something to the effect that "God will bless our nation when we give 10%...".

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I've searched on Youtube for that segment of the debate on Fox and it appears they edited that piece out. I wanted to put out exactly what he said, word for word. He did say something to the effect that "God will bless our nation when we give 10%...".

Dude, just stop. He said he was going to follow God's model because he was a pretty smart and fair guy and it works for him. 10% regardless of whether you have a bumper crop or a bad crop. If you make $100,000 you pay $10,000, if you make $100 you pay $10. Besides, it's not a new model. It's been hashed and rehashed for at least the 10 years I have been reading and studying on it.

 

[bornaneer]

I've searched on Youtube for that segment of the debate on Fox and it appears they edited that piece out. I wanted to put out exactly what he said, word for word. He did say something to the effect that "God will bless our nation when we give 10%...".

How convenient, you get caught in another lie and you try to blame FOX. I'm actually beginning to believe you are a stupid as your appear.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

How convenient, you get caught in another lie and you try to blame FOX. I'm actually beginning to believe you are a stupid as your appear.

Irony. Read your post and tell me I'm stupid. LOL.

 

[bornaneer]

Irony. Read your post and tell me I'm stupid. LOL.

"As"; is that better? You want to get back into that mode? I thought we were past that.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Irony. Read your post and tell me I'm stupid. LOL.

Deflect from yourself. I would to at this point.

 

[mneilmont]

Deflect from yourself. I would to at this point.

Maybe he really does believe it. Pathetic.

 

[dave]

When a guy talks about setting up a tax structure based on biblical principles when the 1st Amendment is very simple and clear, he's not very intelligent.

If you are going to start tooting your own horn about intelligence you should probably avoid making ridiculous comments like that. A flat tax violates the 1st amendment? Im guessing he is pretty intelligent and when it comes to you nobody needs to guess since you insist on proving otherwise.