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[SDC888]

The modern left and right don't understand why the other side believes what they do, or even what it is exactly the other side actually believes.

They are both arguing against a caricature of the other position, which gets adroitly exploited by both camps' media and politicians, who are essentially just gaslighting the public for their own self-serving ends.

People are going to believe what they are going to believe: based on their own reasoning, their own education and experience, however, primarily what their own predilections and biases set them up for, their personality more or less.

 

[MegaBlue05]

I don't think you really want to do a political scorecard comparison of violence. You're clearly a lefty and you'd lose that one. I don't have time for that right now and wasn't even trying to go there. Find somebody else for that tangent if you insist.

Again, democrat policies and actions are batshit crazy at face value. It doesn't take a "religious" devotion to basic values of a healthy society to realize it and hate how it is negatively affecting our country. I'm sorry if you're embarrassed by what's come of your party.

This is where you constantly miss the mark. You automatically lump anyone who isn’t staunchly right wing as a leftist. I’m a registered independent and have been since 2010. I last voted red in 2020. I last voted blue in 2020. I’m also a former Democrat (2003-2010) and a former Republican (1996-2003). The ******** invasion of Iraq and war hawking in general led me to leave the GOP and the ramrodding of the health care bill leme to leave the Democratic party.

I’m disgusted by both parties. Both want everyone to live their lives the way they see fit. I want to live my life the way I see fit without being told what to do by left wing activists or right wing traditionalists.

Name calling in 3,2 ….

 

[Vismund]

I don't think you really want to do a political scorecard comparison of violence. You're clearly a lefty and you'd lose that one. I don't have time for that right now and wasn't even trying to go there. Find somebody else for that tangent if you insist.

Again, democrat policies and actions are batshit crazy at face value. It doesn't take a "religious" devotion to basic values of a healthy society to realize it and hate how it is negatively affecting our country. I'm sorry if you're embarrassed by what's come of your party.

Again, republican AND democratic actions are batshit crazy at face value. I'm agreeing with you, but you're stopping a party too soon for me.

Registered independent. Voted republican, democrat, independent and Libertarian in my life. You're barking up the wrong tree because your brain can't comprehend that when someone is disagreeing with you, they must be a hardcore lefty coming for your guns, God or country.

 

[Catsfan29]

This is where you constantly miss the mark. You automatically lump anyone who isn’t staunchly right wing as a leftist. I’m a registered independent and have been since 2010. I last voted red in 2020. I last voted blue in 2020. I’m also a former Democrat (2003-2010) and a former Republican (1996-2003). The ******** invasion of Iraq and war hawking in general led me to leave the GOP and the ramrodding of the health care bill leme to leave the Democratic party.

I’m disgusted by both parties. Both want everyone to live their lives the way they see fit. I want to live my life the way I see fit without being told what to do by left wing activists or right wing traditionalists.

Name calling in 3,2 ….

You see it on RR as well whenever you have a different opinion people call you a Cal hugger or a troll. The parallels one can draw between fandom, politics and religion are many.

 

[Vismund]

I'll bite. List please.

Start here. Then check this out for more context.

As I stated above, the type of speech our "leaders" use does nothing other than to instill a true sense of hatred for someone who agrees with their enemy. The worst part is that they don't care. I guarantee you Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi care more about each other than their constituents. The mutual relationship that necessitates their power is so strong it overbears any true sense of "patriotism" they may have. They're both absolute criminals, as is any politician who has been in office for decades+.

But, here I am, doing their work by arguing with you guys trying to point it out rather than fall in line with "orange man bad" or some other BS.

 

[MegaBlue05]

The parallels one can draw between fandom, politics and religion are many.

Absolute truth.

Fandom: UK good, Louisville bad (probably the only thing everyone on this board could truly agree on. Lol)

Politics: Red/blue team good, red/blue team bad

Religion: My religion right, all other religions and even some sects of my religion wrong.

One of the big differences is that 30 years ago you didn’t know your neighbors/friends/coworkers political leanings or religious views or lack thereof. People kept that stuff to themselves. Social media changed that for the worse and there’s no putting the lid back on that can of worms.

 

[Beatle Bum]

This is where you constantly miss the mark. You automatically lump anyone who isn’t staunchly right wing as a leftist. I’m a registered independent and have been since 2010. I last voted red in 2020. I last voted blue in 2020. I’m also a former Democrat (2003-2010) and a former Republican (1996-2003). The ******** invasion of Iraq and war hawking in general led me to leave the GOP and the ramrodding of the health care bill leme to leave the Democratic party.

I’m disgusted by both parties. Both want everyone to live their lives the way they see fit. I want to live my life the way I see fit without being told what to do by left wing activists or right wing traditionalists.

Name calling in 3,2 ….

Good post. Yet, when you say a leftist comment, it is still a leftist comment. Agree? And, if you are the centrist or moderate or unique voter you claim to be, you make some leftist comments. True?

Look, I agree with the post above that these discussions (euphemism) are often waged against some stereotype caricature, rather than addressing issues and stated opinions. Likewise, ad hominem positions and flippant remarks often serve as a way to hide behind ignorance. And, finally, ignorance is berated, rather than educated. It’s the forum. And, it isn’t healthy.

People search out echo chambers because these settings are not healthy. Who can blame them? Why get bashed in the face because you disagree?

In 2016, when Trump won the GOP nomination, I turned off all news for the months that led up to the election. Before that time, I thought “ignorance is bliss” was a pejorative. Now, I think it simply true.

 

[JoeSwag]

Y’all MFs not realize you’re posting in a political echo chamber here at CatPaw?

Yes, CatPaw is the only interaction and is totally on par with movies, Netflix, universities, CNN, NYT, Washington Post, Politico, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, NBA, John Oliver, Daily Show, Bloomberg, Newsweek, Huffington Post, Salon, Vox, Vice, Daily Beast, NPR, Associated Press, The Guardian, The Atlantic, USA Today, etc.

You cannot be a conservative and live in the outside world and be in an echo chamber. You'll be exposed to the left's POV all day long because they control every industry. Can't watch sports without it. Can't watch movies without it. Your professors will only give you one POV and you can guess which. Twitter and Facebook have been exposed with their political bias and censorship.

You can, however, be a lefty and easily stay in a bubble especially if you live in a major city.

And you keep acting like you're not a Democrat but for over a decade, that is always your stance. Always. I've never once seen you have a view that wasn't in line with being a left wing apologist or advocate. That's fine but just don't pretend you're in the center when you're not.

 

[IdaCat]

This is where you constantly miss the mark. You automatically lump anyone who isn’t staunchly right wing as a leftist. I’m a registered independent and have been since 2010. I last voted red in 2020. I last voted blue in 2020. I’m also a former Democrat (2003-2010) and a former Republican (1996-2003). The ******** invasion of Iraq and war hawking in general led me to leave the GOP and the ramrodding of the health care bill leme to leave the Democratic party.

I’m disgusted by both parties. Both want everyone to live their lives the way they see fit. I want to live my life the way I see fit without being told what to do by left wing activists or right wing traditionalists.

Name calling in 3,2 ….

Oh STFU. You have a history of being one of the biggest stereotyping woke **** stirrers on this board and if I wanted to take the time, I could prove it. Plus, you voted for the dementia patient knowing he was compromised. I don't care what you think you are. Walks like a duck.

 

[Nightwish84]

One thing I find hilarious - both Irish Beck and MegaBlue being called leftists in this thread. Just proves if you're not in full agreement with some here or if you don't constantly complain about one side and one side only, you're called out by those who think they already know you. Imagine having the balls to think you know a person's voting history (and then judging them on that assumption) just by some brief interactions on a message board. Tribal politics is just that and we see it here daily. Hell, Ida and Ed prove that on their own.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Start here. Then check this out for more context.

As I stated above, the type of speech our "leaders" use does nothing other than to instill a true sense of hatred for someone who agrees with their enemy. The worst part is that they don't care. I guarantee you Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi care more about each other than their constituents. The mutual relationship that necessitates their power is so strong it overbears any true sense of "patriotism" they may have. They're both absolute criminals, as is any politician who has been in office for decades+.

But, here I am, doing their work by arguing with you guys trying to point it out rather than fall in line with "orange man bad" or some other BS.

So the Wiki link shows 5 deaths on Jan 6 as right wing killers. Enlighten me with that explanation. What a BS list. I didnt go past 2020 because of its obvious nonsense.

Also it includes Jared Lochner who shot Gabby Giffords. Nobody except Wiki, would call him Right Wing. Why post BS?

 

[starchief]

Start here. Then check this out for more context.

As I stated above, the type of speech our "leaders" use does nothing other than to instill a true sense of hatred for someone who agrees with their enemy. The worst part is that they don't care. I guarantee you Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi care more about each other than their constituents. The mutual relationship that necessitates their power is so strong it overbears any true sense of "patriotism" they may have. They're both absolute criminals, as is any politician who has been in office for decades+.

But, here I am, doing their work by arguing with you guys trying to point it out rather than fall in line with "orange man bad" or some other BS.

I'm not sure all politicians are criminals. But I think a state/federal political office is considered a pretty cushy job that they would like to hang onto for as long as they can - and hanging on to that job is their number one priority from day one. A staff to do all the actual work, decent/really good pay and benefits and people kissing your butt everywhere you go. What's not to like?

There are a handful that have their constituents' best interest as a priority but they are hard to sort out.

 

[MGGA]

In the last two days, @Caveman Catfan has started a religion thread, a CNN thread, and a global warming thread. All, of course, under the cloak of “conversation”.

Maybe he is really the problem.

 

[JC CATS]

You guys are severely underestimating the ability of these modern radical democrats to raise alarm, disgust, and even hatred solely from their policies and actions. No MSM or other spin is required.

Just a few years ago, even most democrats would be horrified to hear what their party would become.

The media can amplify it, but if you are a rational being who cares about the future of your country for your family, their policies and actions tell you all you need to know.

The Russia...mm Republican party is just like McClain Republicans. There's no extremists in your party. No one comparing masks to concentration camps, healing the President during state of union, sending immigrants to DC on taxpayers dime, depicting them killing colleagues, accused of trafficking and paying underage prostitute, just ole boring Republicans, a little, unsuccessful coup attemp

 

[bigsmoothie]

In the last two days, @Caveman Catfan has started a religion thread, a CNN thread, and a global warming thread. All, of course, under the cloak of “conversation”.

Maybe he is really the problem.

 

[JC CATS]

I'm not sure all politicians are criminals. But I think a state/federal political office is considered a pretty cushy job that they would like to hang onto for as long as they can - and hanging on to that job is their number one priority from day one. A staff to do all the actual work, decent/really good pay and benefits and people kissing your butt everywhere you go. What's not to like?

There are a handful that have their constituents' best interest as a priority but they are hard to sort out.

Sad but true

 

[Beatle Bum]

In the last two days, @Caveman Catfan has started a religion thread, a CNN thread, and a global warming thread. All, of course, under the cloak of “conversation”.

Maybe he is really the problem.

Yeah, it’s definitely not stalkers like you.

 

[MGGA]

Yeah, it’s definitely not stalkers like you.

How is it stalking? I'm just replying to a thread that you oh so graciously created so that we can, of course, have a nice civil discussion about a very unique set of topics. Definitely not topics that have consistently been divisive and draw out the worst in people. No way was that your intent, I'm sure. rolleyes.gif.

Whatever garbage excuse or reasoning that you will spew next will be ignored because you and I and everyone else knows exactly what you're doing.

 

[bigsmoothie]

How is it stalking? I'm just replying to a thread that you oh so graciously created so that we can, of course, have a nice civil discussion about a very unique set of topics. Definitely not topics that have consistently been divisive and draw out the worst in people. No way was that your intent, I'm sure. rolleyes.gif.

Whatever garbage excuse or reasoning that you will spew next will be ignored because you and I and everyone else knows exactly what you're doing.

He’s a poop starter.

 

[Beatle Bum]

How is it stalking? I'm just replying to a thread that you oh so graciously created so that we can, of course, have a nice civil discussion about a very unique set of topics. Definitely not topics that have consistently been divisive and draw out the worst in people. No way was that your intent, I'm sure. rolleyes.gif.

Whatever garbage excuse or reasoning that you will spew next will be ignored because you and I and everyone else knows exactly what you're doing.

Let’s see. Your last 5-6 posts have all been criticizing me for making comments, rather than actually responding to my posts. This is the first of those where you actually responded. Probably because my post was about your favorite subject. You.

Put me on ignore and quit stalking me.

 

[Beatle Bum]

He’s a poop starter.

Yeah, asking Christian friends about their favorite teachers on a forum where there is no set topic is starting poop only for the fragile.

Likewise, a thread about Neptune’s climate is starting poop only for those who see poop everywhere they look.

That spring flower thread sure did stir the pot! I was surprised at how many dudes are afraid of flowers.

Have a great Good Friday, Ed.

 

[bigsmoothie]

Yeah, asking Christian friends about their favorite teachers on a forum where there is no set topic is starting poop only for the fragile.

Likewise, a thread about Neptune’s climate is starting poop only for those who see poop everywhere they look.

That spring flower thread sure did stir the pot! I was surprised at how many dudes are afraid of flowers.

Have a great Good Friday, Ed.

You are what you are. Just don’t deny it

 

[Beatle Bum]

You are what you are. Just don’t deny it

FYI, Ed, the Neptune story was right off CNN’s website. CNN, stirring the poop.

 

[bigsmoothie]

FYI, Ed, the Neptune story was right off CNN’s website. CNN, stirring the poop.

You read CNN? knew it.

 

[Nightwish84]

In the last two days, @Caveman Catfan has started a religion thread, a CNN thread, and a global warming thread. All, of course, under the cloak of “conversation”.

Maybe he is really the problem.

Don’t have a problem with the Christian thread, but the guy does start a lot of threads that most here know are going to end with pages of in-fighting. The climate change thread already has a couple people making fun of/calling that Greta girl an idiot.

Even though I’ve already participated in this one, there’s really no point to it. It’s a baiting thread to make fun of CNN. A media organization that most here hate yet continue to obsess over. But to answer the original baiting question: I would imagine when Trump was in office, CNN’s ratings were higher than they are now. Fox’s ratings are probably a bit higher now because Biden is in and ultimately the side that didn’t get their way wants to stay angry until the next election cycle. Had no idea Maddow was on CNN, but she’s established and has a ton of money at this point. Howard Stern cut his schedule back once he was at Sirius for a few years and I don’t recall the op doing a “Is Sirius crumbling???” thread for that.

Glad some of you are around to pay attention to all these ******** 24 hr news networks though.

 

[MegaBlue05]

Good post. Yet, when you say a leftist comment, it is still a leftist comment. Agree? And, if you are the centrist or moderate or unique voter you claim to be, you make some leftist comments. True?

Look, I agree with the post above that these discussions (euphemism) are often waged against some stereotype caricature, rather than addressing issues and stated opinions. Likewise, ad hominem positions and flippant remarks often serve as a way to hide behind ignorance. And, finally, ignorance is berated, rather than educated. It’s the forum. And, it isn’t healthy.

People search out echo chambers because these settings are not healthy. Who can blame them? Why get bashed in the face because you disagree?

In 2016, when Trump won the GOP nomination, I turned off all news for the months that led up to the election. Before that time, I thought “ignorance is bliss” was a pejorative. Now, I think it simply true.

It depends on your definition of leftist. The way it’s thrown around here, anything that isn’t overly conservative is leftist.

To me, leftist is “let’s redistribute wealth by ceasing the means of production and kill/jail anyone who stands n our way.”

Saying that I don’t have a problem with ________ (something conservatives oppose), isn’t leftist. It’s just non-right.

And sure, many statements I make are likely construed as “leftist” at a place like this that has an obvious rightward slant. That still doesn’t mean I am in the tank for the DNC or Nancy Pelosi is my hero. Same could be said for someone who supports limited government and the second Amendment but thought Trump was an idiot. Modern politics are too black and white and we’ve lost the ability to see the shades of gray. The all or nothing mentality is a result of the escalating polarization of politics that has been getting worse with each election cycle for last 25+ years.

The caricature description is apt both ways. All lefties aren’t godless trans women with purple hair just like all righties aren’t racist rednecks with truck nuts. Are there some of those stereotypes on each side? Of course. But it’s not reflective of everyone. This is the common flaw with all the partisan bickering.

I was similar to you with the last two presidential elections. I didn’t want to hear the noise or finger pointing. I tuned out shortly after the primaries. I just found out who won and moved on with life. The only power I had was to cast one vote. Everything else is completely out of my hands.

Bottom line is most of us could probably get along in person despite the political differences. Online anonymity is a different animal.

 

[Beatle Bum]

It depends on your definition of leftist. The way it’s thrown around here, anything that isn’t overly conservative is leftist.

To me, leftist is “let’s redistribute wealth by ceasing the means of production and kill/jail anyone who stands n our way.”

Saying that I don’t have a problem with ________ (something conservatives oppose), isn’t leftist. It’s just non-right.

And sure, many statements I make are likely construed as “leftist” at a place like this that has an obvious rightward slant. That still doesn’t mean I am in the tank for the DNC or Nancy Pelosi is my hero. Same could be said for someone who supports limited government and the second Amendment but thought Trump was an idiot. Modern politics are too black and white and we’ve lost the ability to see the shades of gray. The all or nothing mentality is a result of the escalating polarization of politics that has been getting worse with each election cycle for last 25+ years.

The caricature description is apt both ways. All lefties aren’t godless trans women with purple hair just like all righties aren’t racist rednecks with truck nuts. Are there some of those stereotypes on each side? Of course. But it’s not reflective of everyone. This is the common flaw with all the partisan bickering.

I was similar to you with the last two presidential elections. I didn’t want to hear the noise or finger pointing. I tuned out shortly after the primaries. I just found out who won and moved on with life. The only power I had was to cast one vote. Everything else is completely out of my hands.

Bottom line is most of us could probably get along in person despite the political differences. Online anonymity is a different animal.

I have little doubt that I could get along with many of the people who seem to desire to bait and demean on this forum.

If left and right, conservative and liberal, are incomplete descriptions, that just confirms my belief that people should respond to actually stated opinions and stop telling others what the think beyond what was stated. I see the issue as a leftist issue, because those are the people who post at me in that manner. But, then, most of those people simply lack substance, because they cannot defend the positions they have adopted.

 

[Beatle Bum]

You read CNN? knew it.

I do. And, BBC, Reuters, Fox and others. Seems like a good idea in today’s world. Surprised you disagree.

 

[MegaBlue05]

I have little doubt that I could get along with many of the people who seem to desire to bait and demean on this forum.

If left and right, conservative and liberal, are incomplete descriptions, that just confirms my belief that people should respond to actually stated opinions and stop telling others what the think beyond what was stated. I see the issue as a leftist issue, because those are the people who post at me in that manner. But, then, most of those people simply lack substance, because they cannot defend the positions they have adopted.

I agree with you with the caveat that the right leaning posters do the exact same thing to non conservatives as you say the leftists do to you

Because my opinion (or yours) is different, that must mean I (or you) am automatically a bad person who is evil because I (or you) see the world differently.

The broadbrushing and generalizing the other side is s problem not exclusive to left or right. That’s my whole issue with echo chambers such as this one. Rather than learn from others with different opinions and perspectives, let’s dog pile the minority opinion and belittle anyone who dares disagree. I am guilty of this myself, but am not the only one.

 

[bigsmoothie]

I do. And, BBC, Reuters, Fox and others. Seems like a good idea in today’s world. Surprised you disagree.

I doubt I’d agree with you if you said today was Friday

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

I doubt I’d agree with you if you said today was Friday

That is because as an NPC you are only programmed to react with an approved response. Seriously. Try thinking outside the hivemind.

 

[bigsmoothie]

That is because as an NPC you are only programmed to react with an approved response. Seriously. Try thinking outside the hivemind.

No I just don’t like him

 

[FoolishUlis3]

LOL. You are mentally ill, dude. Your brain is so far gone. Love that the "worse than 9/11" resulted in feds not wanting to release video (cause it kills their narrative) and all of the grandmas and company ushered in by the cops to walk around. Oh, and how can we forget that the most violent exchange came from a black cop killing an unarmed white woman and never got charged. So weird because your side just spent six months burning down cities because a career criminal drug addict died of Fentanyl in police custody.

We watched you all storm buildings and take over because of Kavanaugh. We saw BLM take over buildings. We saw Antifa set fire to government buildings but you want to clutch pearls for 1/6 which doesn't come remotely close to what the left has made routine.

The left is a cult who does everything they can to shut down opposing views online and on campus. That's not even debatable. Conservatives aren't the ones who need trigger warnings and safe spaces.

Be honest, have you ever touched yourself while watching Donald trump speak?

 

[Beatle Bum]

No I just don’t like him

Because your role here is just to bait. You have no substance in this forum.

 

[ukalum1988]

Is CNN crumbling? Heard Maddow is taking her show to one day a week.

Late to the thread, but I’m hearing that Rex is really bolstering the subscription numbers on CNN+.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Late to the thread, but I’m hearing that Rex is really bolstering the subscription numbers on CNN+.

Interesting. What is your source?

 

[ukalum1988]

Interesting. What is your source?

No firm source. Just my intuition given how engaging he is and his reputation for fairness and integrity in speaking the truth to his audience.

 

[MGGA]

I’m hearing

Just my intuition

You'll fit in great in this thread.

 

[bigsmoothie]

Because your role here is just to bait. You have no substance in this forum.

No I just don’t like people like you. You are smug, think you are smarter than everyone, love to lecture, and like to start fights then play innocent.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Be honest, have you ever touched yourself while watching Donald trump speak?

I certainly did for both Trump and Reagan. The two greatest POTUS of the last 120 years. There is nothing wrong with being excited while in the reflected glow of greatness.