Coach Capel's Coaching Style and Duke Fans loyalty...

[jamsession3]

I am really interested, curious, excited...but, worried, anxious and critical of how our fans(myself included) will react to Capel's style.

Will Grayson return Wednesday? Will the rotation expand? Will Duke play better defense? Will the game be faster?

 

[Get Nasty]

I am really interested, curious, excited...but, worried, anxious and critical of how our fans(myself included) will react to Capel's style.

Will Grayson return Wednesday? Will the rotation expand? Will Duke play better defense? Will the game be faster?

I guarantee Capel has no say on when Grayson returns, it's either pre determined when Grayson returns or Capel will consult with K on that.

I expect expanded rotation, especially with the bigs, and more running.

In the end to me, it is the level of effort and unselfishness that needs to happen.

 

[sheyduke]

Maybe a little more inside game. I don't see Bolden getting more burn just because Capel is coaching. K is still the coach from his arm chair .

 

[jamsession3]

I guarantee Capel has no say on when Grayson returns, it's either pre determined when Grayson returns or Capel will consult with K on that.

I expect expanded rotation, especially with the bigs, and more running.

In the end to me, it is the level of effort and unselfishness that needs to happen.

I can see Bolden getting more pt.

 

[Get Nasty]

Maybe a little more inside game. I don't see Bolden getting more burn just because Capel is coaching. K is still the coach from his arm chair .

I just seem to remember the one game K missed last year Capel had Chase play a lot more than normal and we actually saw Vrank play meaningful minutes if I remember correctly.

 

[dukehokie]

If the guys can't get up for Capel, I think that will officially show where they are. I don't necessarily mean win every game, just have some damn fight. More than what they showed Saturday.

 

[Whutadrag2]

A simple coaching change will not stop Amile (or any others)from staring at the ref while the other team is taking off in transition.

 

[Kingbluedevil]

I think he will do just fine. He has been sitting beside the best of all time. He may play the bench more.

 

[dbav]

I have full confidence in Capel. I can't wait to see what he can do.

Keep fighting fellas!

 

[jamsession3]

A simple coaching change will not stop Amile (or any others)from staring at the ref while the other team is taking off in transition.

It may. The kids may respond to Capel differently. He may give them some freedom. Will fans except it because it does not look 'discipline or structure'?

 

[VaBlueDevil33]

K will decide when Grayson comes back....end of story

IMO Bolden don't deserve PT until he shows some energy while on the floor...IMO he looks lazy and the type that is playing not to get hurt..I could be way off base but that's my opinion on him

 

[jamsession3]

K will decide when Grayson comes back....end of story

IMO Bolden don't deserve PT until he shows some energy while on the floor...IMO he looks lazy and the type that is playing not to get hurt..I could be way off base but that's my opinion on him

So what if Bolden responds to Capel? Kids will do that. Who was the main recruiter on Bolden? Kids can be self-sinner, funny and short-sighted...but they also respond to those who rubbed their egos.

 

[VaBlueDevil33]

If he responds and plays hard with energy the hell yeah he should get PT....but the way he is playing now he don't IMO

Capel has been here all year and he has looked lazy to me all year

 

[BlueDevilWildcat]

Given how this season has gone, I expect things can only improve. At the top of my wish list would be expanding how deep we go down the bench, less Matt Jones until he can hit the broad sign of a barn, playing all the freshman more, picking a PG and making him facilitate good ball movement, more hedging and less switching on picks, benching Jayson until he stops shooting so many low % shots, replacing the current version of Amile with one who isn't angry / whiny / bad teammate, and changing up the D so at worst we give up layups or open 3 pointers, but not both.

In business there's no such thing as a 70+ year old, top performing executive. Capel knows K's approach - he can take what works and replace the rest with (hopefully) something better.

 

[jamsession3]

If he responds and plays hard with energy the hell yeah he should get PT....but the way he is playing now he don't IMO

Capel has been here all year and he has looked lazy to me all year

I don't dely it, but kids(and their entourages) don't consider the responsibility of their decisions! He chose to attend Duke, that comes with responsibility and demand, not pre-entitlement.

He is learning what that means. No doubt, Bolden can be 10/10 a night for Duke, but his attitude must change.

 

[jamsession3]

Given how this season has gone, I expect things can only improve. At the top of my wish list would be expanding how deep we go down the bench, less Matt Jones until he can hit the broad sign of a barn, playing all the freshman more, picking a PG and making him facilitate good ball movement, more hedging and less switching on picks, benching Jayson until he stops shooting so many low % shots, replacing the current version of Amile with one who isn't angry / whiny / bad teammate, and changing up the D so at worst we give up layups or open 3 pointers, but not both.

Wow!

 

[dukehokie]

Bottom line, the coaching change doesn't have to be the catalyst. They need only watch the tape and focusing on body language to gauge who has no fight and who does. From there, practice goes back to being about earn your time.

This will really be a telling 2 weeks.

 

[timo0402]

Bottom line, the coaching change doesn't have to be the catalyst. They need only watch the tape and focusing on body language to gauge who has no fight and who does. From there, practice goes back to being about earn your time.

This will really be a telling 2 weeks.

It's easy during the off-season when everyone is healthy, practicing and working hard, saying the right things. Coming in early, getting your work done and focusing on one common goal. Problem is sometimes the plan doesn't go the way you expect it to. This year we've had more adversity than any other year I can ever remember. Injuries, Suspension and captains demoted, and Coach going out- all in one season and we're only one game into the ACC schedule. WOW.

NOW, we find out what you're made of. Do you remember your goals from the summer and pre-season when everything was peachy and you were expected to be one of the best teams in program history. We've gotten punched in the mouth. Are you going to just take it and just try and get out of the season because it's tough now? Or do you respond and get it together, come together as one and fight. We're at a crossroads...let's see what we're made of.

 

[skysdad]

If the guys can't get up for Capel, I think that will officially show where they are. I don't necessarily mean win every game, just have some damn fight. More than what they showed Saturday.

If the guys can't get up for Coach K during his absence it will show where we officially are. OFC

 

[skysdad]

I just seem to remember the one game K missed last year Capel had Chase play a lot more than normal and we actually saw Vrank play meaningful minutes if I remember correctly.

I don't think you will see a lot of difference. Some guys may get a little more pt but if they don't get the job done they will come out just like Coach K or any other coach does it. It's not always about playing time it's about production time. OFC

 

[OldasdirtDevil]

I expect everyone (coaches & players) to do their jobs as well as possible. As a fan I don't worry about style, only results. If we can win by scoring in the 60's, that beats losing by scoring in the 90's.

OFC

 

[dukiejay]

I just seem to remember the one game K missed last year Capel had Chase play a lot more than normal and we actually saw Vrank play meaningful minutes if I remember correctly.

You're not remembering correctly. The bench played a grand total of 24 minutes....Kennard 15, Chase played eight, and Vrank got in for about 35 seconds at the end of the half because Chase already had three fouls in four minutes. In the previous three games with K coaching our bench averaged 21 minutes per game. Also, if I remember correctly, that was a game that Marshall also got in serious foul trouble....which may have played a factor in Chase playing more than usual.

 

[BlueDevilWildcat]

If the guys can't get up for Coach K during his absence it will show where we officially are. OFC

Is your impression that this season's performance so far is due to lack of effort? That may play a part but working harder at something that isn't working won't make a big difference. I hate to say it but a lot of the pre-season concerns - Giles not coming back at close to 100%, Jayson being a black hole on O, no PG, and too many shoot-first guys - have been accurate so far. Combine that with injuries, suspensions, Matt Jones regressing, and Bolden not yet contributing much and that's where we are.

On the other hand, this time in 2015, we all had similar concerns. This year's team - outside of not having a PG - has more talent than 2015, and I suspect that like that team's, our D will be much better in March than it is now. If we can find a reasonable imitation of a PG, I think we'll be good, and possibly even very good.

 

[Get Nasty]

I don't think you will see a lot of difference. Some guys may get a little more pt but if they don't get the job done they will come out just like Coach K or any other coach does it. It's not always about playing time it's about production time. OFC

agree 100% but I think people there are people on this team that are guaranteed major minutes no matter how they play and that's not right. If you play to not make a mistake because you know you're going to get yanked you won't play well.

As a coach, I typically pull kids because of a lack of effort or focus, rarely because they make a mistake(s). I'm far from some great coach, but I believe in coaching effort and focus.

 

[Floorslapper]

If Grayson has responded well enough to K's satisfaction I think he is back on Wednesday. A good attitude +one game suspension and captaincy removal is enough. Not withstanding that now the narrative is changing. How will Duke survive without Coach K? Come back Grayson!

 

[pisgah101]

I'm excited and personally thinks it might create the spark we need. Capel did awesome last year in the game he got and switched for the better IMO in playing vrank and such

 

[dukehokie]

I'm excited and personally thinks it might create the spark we need. Capel did awesome last year in the game he got and switched for the better IMO in playing vrank and such

Hopefully this time the rotation sticks. Tony never saw the floor again, and Chase got a little more tick, but his play never really dictated more time.

If Jeff does get to tinker some, the guys have to prove they've earned it. Hopefully that is the case.

 

[VaBlueDevil33]

I'm hoping Grayson sits both games this week for 3 total...IMO I think 3 games is fair....one is not enough IMO

 

[skysdad]

Is your impression that this season's performance so far is due to lack of effort? That may play a part but working harder at something that isn't working won't make a big difference. I hate to say it but a lot of the pre-season concerns - Giles not coming back at close to 100%, Jayson being a black hole on O, no PG, and too many shoot-first guys - have been accurate so far. Combine that with injuries, suspensions, Matt Jones regressing, and Bolden not yet contributing much and that's where we are.

On the other hand, this time in 2015, we all had similar concerns. This year's team - outside of not having a PG - has more talent than 2015, and I suspect that like that team's, our D will be much better in March than it is now. If we can find a reasonable imitation of a PG, I think we'll be good, and possibly even very good.

Is your impression that this season's performance so far is due to lack of effort? That may play a part but working harder at something that isn't working won't make a big difference. I hate to say it but a lot of the pre-season concerns - Giles not coming back at close to 100%, Jayson being a black hole on O, no PG, and too many shoot-first guys - have been accurate so far. Combine that with injuries, suspensions, Matt Jones regressing, and Bolden not yet contributing much and that's where we are.

On the other hand, this time in 2015, we all had similar concerns. This year's team - outside of not having a PG - has more talent than 2015, and I suspect that like that team's, our D will be much better in March than it is now. If we can find a reasonable imitation of a PG, I think we'll be good, and possibly even very good.

No that's not what I'm saying. Sure the team needs to get up and play hard for Coach Capel during the time for Coach K is away but if they can't get fired up for Coach K while he is out and play the way the should then it will show where we officially are. I'm saying they should be motivated to play at the highest level possible while their leader is away. OFC

 

[jamsession3]

No that's not what I'm saying. Sure the team needs to get up and play hard for Coach Capel during the time for Coach K is away but if they can't get fired up for Coach K while he is out and play the way the should then it will show where we officially are. I'm saying they should be motivated to play at the highest level possible while their leader is away. OFC

I hear your point Sky, but what 'if', you have players that will play for Coach Capel. These are kids, players, some respond different. As fans, how might react we if Bolden plays for Capel?

This will be a very interesting time for Duke Basketball.

 

[skysdad]

I hear your point Sky, but what 'if', you have players that will play for Coach Capel. These are kids, players, some respond different. As fans, how might react we if Bolden plays for Capel?

This will be a very interesting time for Duke Basketball.

Good point and if Bolden can do it for Capel, Coach K will expect him to do it for him. That goes for any player. Since we are using Bolden as an example and not saying it will happen but if Bolden can give 10 minutes or more of solid play while Coach K is out he should be able to give the same when Coach K comes back. If any player can't do this then I imagine it will be another for of pt ( pine time ). OFC

 

[jamsession3]

Good point and if Bolden can do it for Capel, Coach K will expect him to do it for him. That goes for any player. Since we are using Bolden as an example and not saying it will happen but if Bolden can give 10 minutes or more of solid play while Coach K is out he should be able to give the same when Coach K comes back. If any player can't do this then I imagine it will be another for of pt ( pine time ). OFC

No arguments or debates. We all just know people can respond differently.

 

[HuffyJB]

I don't think anyone should expect any drastic changes as far as rotation and minutes when Capel takes the helm. He has a large amount of input in the decisions already (though, as Bobby Knight famously said, the difference between an assistant coach and a head coach is the difference between suggestion and decision).

The primary thing I would like to see is an unleashed Giles. With each game he has gone further, but still very guarded and limited in his usage. It seems to be time to just let him roll, full-on, no restrictions.

 

[df64]

As things have been trending, Bolden, Giles have been getting slightly more time/chances each game. I expect that to continue Wed while K is coaching and continue to increase while he is out depending on health, matchups, and production.

 

[dukiejay]

I'm excited and personally thinks it might create the spark we need. Capel did awesome last year in the game he got and switched for the better IMO in playing vrank and such

Hopefully this time the rotation sticks. Tony never saw the floor again, and Chase got a little more tick, but his play never really dictated more time.

If Jeff does get to tinker some, the guys have to prove they've earned it. Hopefully that is the case.

Again, Vrank played about 35 seconds at the end of the first half because Marshall and Chase both had three fouls. While it sucks K isn't coaching, I think people should temper their expectations a bit. I'd be pretty shocked if we see any dramatic changes. The biggest changes, IMO, will be the one's that were coming regardless....and those involve the return of Grayson and Harry seeing his role/minutes expand every game.

The most important thing, though, is this team coming together and finding cohesion.

 

[pisgah101]

Again, Vrank played about 35 seconds at the end of the first half because Marshall and Chase both had three fouls. While it sucks K isn't coaching, I think people should temper their expectations a bit. I'd be pretty shocked if we see any dramatic changes. The biggest changes, IMO, will be the one's that were coming regardless....and those involve the return of Grayson and Harry seeing his role/minutes expand every game.

The most important thing, though, is this team coming together and finding cohesion.

I think it'll help with coming together (or I hope)

 

[timo0402]

Again, Vrank played about 35 seconds at the end of the first half because Marshall and Chase both had three fouls. While it sucks K isn't coaching, I think people should temper their expectations a bit. I'd be pretty shocked if we see any dramatic changes. The biggest changes, IMO, will be the one's that were coming regardless....and those involve the return of Grayson and Harry seeing his role/minutes expand every game.

The most important thing, though, is this team coming together and finding cohesion.

Bingo, I think a lot of people are over sensationalizing the GT game last year when Capel coached and are underestimating how much influence he already has. It's not like he doesn't have a ton of input currently. Finally as you pointed out, all of the talk post the VT game was some of the changes that were most likely needed- expanded roles for HG, Bolden maybe even Frank to an extent. I mentioned post that game that I'd like to see either bolden or Harry start along side Amile who I don't think needs to be manning the 5 the entire game. Guy needs some help on the glass and defending the basket. Would also help with his versatility as a defender. All changes that are probably in the works before the K decision to have surgery was official.

 

[dukehokie]

Again, Vrank played about 35 seconds at the end of the first half because Marshall and Chase both had three fouls. While it sucks K isn't coaching, I think people should temper their expectations a bit. I'd be pretty shocked if we see any dramatic changes. The biggest changes, IMO, will be the one's that were coming regardless....and those involve the return of Grayson and Harry seeing his role/minutes expand every game.

The most important thing, though, is this team coming together and finding cohesion.

Oh I totally agree, I'm just hoping that if there are any differences in personnel that actually work, I hope it sticks. I'm not talking about guys who didn't play, more maybe a change in minute distribution. And that will still only happen in practice.

The only guy I can possibly see this benefitting in the form of change is Bolden. Jeff likes scoring bigs so he has a shot to show what he can do. If he plays well, I'd like to see it stick.

 

[Jnood]

It will be like Luke Walton, last year! The only difference is, K will come back and we will win the championship!

 

[NYBlueDevil]

I don't envy Capel at all in this spot. There are still so many things that are unsettled and uncertain. He not only has to coach, he has to find a way to get these guys to buy in and gel as a team. Not to mention deal with the Grayson bs.

I understand this is a bit of an audition for the guy, so I'm rooting hard for him because I think he should be the next in line at Duke. Which in and of itself is an unenviable position! Here's to a change in fortunes, in what I believe is the stangest I've ever witnessed in the 25 years of being a fan. I'm rooting for you Coach Capel!