Coach K and wins
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I believe Coach K won't be credited for any wins/losses that he isn't on the bench for. Like someone Sky said, when he was out due to back surgery durning the 94-95 season, he wasn't credited with the wins/losses that Duke got after he left to have that back surgery, so I would assume that it would/should be the same case this time as well.
Here it is...
HEAD COACH DETERMINATION
In order for a coach to be credited with wins, losses or ties, that individual must be designated as the institution’s head coach or interim head coach. Individuals serving on an advisory or preseason basis may not be credited with the wins, losses or ties. If the head coach is not present at a contest due to illness or other unexpected circumstances, or otherwise is unable to complete the sport season, it is the responsibility of the institution to determine, preferably prior to the contest, whether the win, loss or tie for that contest shall be credited to the head coach or to an interim or assistant coach. If the decision is made after the season is over, consider if the new coach influenced the team enough to make a difference in how the team performed (such as style of play). If a coach is no longer employed by the institution as the head coach, that coach can no longer be credited with further wins or losses after the day the relationship was terminated.
The following are examples from Division I men’s basketball teams that have been in the NCAA tournament. The circumstances and institutions’ decisions are as follows:
● In 1989, Rich Daly coached Missouri in the tournament after Norm Stewart became ill and was hospitalized late in the season. Missouri credited Stewart for the entire season.
● Also in 1989, Steve Fisher coached Michigan in the tournament after Bill Frieder took a job at Arizona State between the regular season and the postseason. Michigan split the won-lost record and Fisher was credited with the tournament games and a national championship. NOTE: On Fisher’s official record, he will be credited with one season coached and a 6-0 record.
● In 1995, Mike Krzyzewski had coached Duke to a 9-3 record before having back surgery and missing the remainder of the season. As determined by Duke before interim coach Pete Gaudet coached a game, Gaudet received all the wins and losses for the remainder of the season. ● In 2001, Rick Majerus coached Utah in its first game of the season and had to miss the rest of the season because of his own health problems and concerns for his mother’s health. Utah credited the rest of the season to interim head coach Dick Hunsaker.
● Also in 2001 at Arizona, the wife of Lute Olson passed away and Coach Olson took a leave of absence for an undetermined amount of time. Since it was not known if Olson would return at all that season, Arizona decided to credit the interim coach, assistant Jim Rosborough, with any games played during Olson’s absence. Olson missed five games and Rosborough was credited with a 3-2 record while Olson’s record was 25-6 for the games before and after his leave.
Generally, if a coach misses a game or limited amount of games due to a temporary illness, transportation trouble, etc., the wins or losses by the team in his or her absence will usually go to the head coach.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf
Thoughts...
1) Duke didn't wait until all the games had been played to dump that season on Gaudet. They made the decision BEFORE the next game played. That Duke team was 9-3 and nationally-ranked at the time so any suggestion that "K knew the season would suck so he faked a back injury" is every bit as phony as the carolina way.
2) Notice the examples referenced. The ONLY school that gave the entire season to the head coach was Mizzou. IOW , even though the link states that "generally" the head coach takes the season , Duke did the exact same thing as the vast majority of the examples cited did...assign the entire season ( or part of it ) to the interim coach. BTW , Majerus took TWO leaves and in both cases credited the assistant coach...
3) Finally , in the interest of putting this urban legend about K screwing Gaudet to rest , I'll just say this. It never happened the way some rivals would have us believe and can any of you imagine the sheetstorm that would happen had Gaudet won most/all of his games? God forbid , if Jeff runs the table?! Heck , what if K doesn't return and Capel won a natty?! Duke announces that the 2016 season goes on K's record?!?!?! We'd never hear the end of it and I'd tend to agree. Yes , it was his team but he wasn't actually coaching. Jeff would be deserving. Just pointing out how selective some of these complaints are. Don't be shocked if we're back here in a month or so listening to rival fans whine if it turns out K gets the games he didn't coach...which I don't think he will anyway. Didn't last time no need to change now.
HEAD COACH DETERMINATION
In order for a coach to be credited with wins, losses or ties, that individual must be designated as the institution’s head coach or interim head coach. Individuals serving on an advisory or preseason basis may not be credited with the wins, losses or ties. If the head coach is not present at a contest due to illness or other unexpected circumstances, or otherwise is unable to complete the sport season, it is the responsibility of the institution to determine, preferably prior to the contest, whether the win, loss or tie for that contest shall be credited to the head coach or to an interim or assistant coach. If the decision is made after the season is over, consider if the new coach influenced the team enough to make a difference in how the team performed (such as style of play). If a coach is no longer employed by the institution as the head coach, that coach can no longer be credited with further wins or losses after the day the relationship was terminated.
The following are examples from Division I men’s basketball teams that have been in the NCAA tournament. The circumstances and institutions’ decisions are as follows:
● In 1989, Rich Daly coached Missouri in the tournament after Norm Stewart became ill and was hospitalized late in the season. Missouri credited Stewart for the entire season.
● Also in 1989, Steve Fisher coached Michigan in the tournament after Bill Frieder took a job at Arizona State between the regular season and the postseason. Michigan split the won-lost record and Fisher was credited with the tournament games and a national championship. NOTE: On Fisher’s official record, he will be credited with one season coached and a 6-0 record.
● In 1995, Mike Krzyzewski had coached Duke to a 9-3 record before having back surgery and missing the remainder of the season. As determined by Duke before interim coach Pete Gaudet coached a game, Gaudet received all the wins and losses for the remainder of the season. ● In 2001, Rick Majerus coached Utah in its first game of the season and had to miss the rest of the season because of his own health problems and concerns for his mother’s health. Utah credited the rest of the season to interim head coach Dick Hunsaker.
● Also in 2001 at Arizona, the wife of Lute Olson passed away and Coach Olson took a leave of absence for an undetermined amount of time. Since it was not known if Olson would return at all that season, Arizona decided to credit the interim coach, assistant Jim Rosborough, with any games played during Olson’s absence. Olson missed five games and Rosborough was credited with a 3-2 record while Olson’s record was 25-6 for the games before and after his leave.
Generally, if a coach misses a game or limited amount of games due to a temporary illness, transportation trouble, etc., the wins or losses by the team in his or her absence will usually go to the head coach.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf
Thoughts...
1) Duke didn't wait until all the games had been played to dump that season on Gaudet. They made the decision BEFORE the next game played. That Duke team was 9-3 and nationally-ranked at the time so any suggestion that "K knew the season would suck so he faked a back injury" is every bit as phony as the carolina way.
2) Notice the examples referenced. The ONLY school that gave the entire season to the head coach was Mizzou. IOW , even though the link states that "generally" the head coach takes the season , Duke did the exact same thing as the vast majority of the examples cited did...assign the entire season ( or part of it ) to the interim coach. BTW , Majerus took TWO leaves and in both cases credited the assistant coach...
3) Finally , in the interest of putting this urban legend about K screwing Gaudet to rest , I'll just say this. It never happened the way some rivals would have us believe and can any of you imagine the sheetstorm that would happen had Gaudet won most/all of his games? God forbid , if Jeff runs the table?! Heck , what if K doesn't return and Capel won a natty?! Duke announces that the 2016 season goes on K's record?!?!?! We'd never hear the end of it and I'd tend to agree. Yes , it was his team but he wasn't actually coaching. Jeff would be deserving. Just pointing out how selective some of these complaints are. Don't be shocked if we're back here in a month or so listening to rival fans whine if it turns out K gets the games he didn't coach...which I don't think he will anyway. Didn't last time no need to change now.
Appreciate the post for our knowledge. Unfortunately, when you can just make up whatever you want to believe (THR/RR) the point is moot. Their motto is "Just remember Jerry, It's not a lie, if you believe it!"Here it is...
HEAD COACH DETERMINATION
In order for a coach to be credited with wins, losses or ties, that individual must be designated as the institution’s head coach or interim head coach. Individuals serving on an advisory or preseason basis may not be credited with the wins, losses or ties. If the head coach is not present at a contest due to illness or other unexpected circumstances, or otherwise is unable to complete the sport season, it is the responsibility of the institution to determine, preferably prior to the contest, whether the win, loss or tie for that contest shall be credited to the head coach or to an interim or assistant coach. If the decision is made after the season is over, consider if the new coach influenced the team enough to make a difference in how the team performed (such as style of play). If a coach is no longer employed by the institution as the head coach, that coach can no longer be credited with further wins or losses after the day the relationship was terminated.
The following are examples from Division I men’s basketball teams that have been in the NCAA tournament. The circumstances and institutions’ decisions are as follows:
● In 1989, Rich Daly coached Missouri in the tournament after Norm Stewart became ill and was hospitalized late in the season. Missouri credited Stewart for the entire season.
● Also in 1989, Steve Fisher coached Michigan in the tournament after Bill Frieder took a job at Arizona State between the regular season and the postseason. Michigan split the won-lost record and Fisher was credited with the tournament games and a national championship. NOTE: On Fisher’s official record, he will be credited with one season coached and a 6-0 record.
● In 1995, Mike Krzyzewski had coached Duke to a 9-3 record before having back surgery and missing the remainder of the season. As determined by Duke before interim coach Pete Gaudet coached a game, Gaudet received all the wins and losses for the remainder of the season. ● In 2001, Rick Majerus coached Utah in its first game of the season and had to miss the rest of the season because of his own health problems and concerns for his mother’s health. Utah credited the rest of the season to interim head coach Dick Hunsaker.
● Also in 2001 at Arizona, the wife of Lute Olson passed away and Coach Olson took a leave of absence for an undetermined amount of time. Since it was not known if Olson would return at all that season, Arizona decided to credit the interim coach, assistant Jim Rosborough, with any games played during Olson’s absence. Olson missed five games and Rosborough was credited with a 3-2 record while Olson’s record was 25-6 for the games before and after his leave.
Generally, if a coach misses a game or limited amount of games due to a temporary illness, transportation trouble, etc., the wins or losses by the team in his or her absence will usually go to the head coach.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf
Thoughts...
1) Duke didn't wait until all the games had been played to dump that season on Gaudet. They made the decision BEFORE the next game played. That Duke team was 9-3 and nationally-ranked at the time so any suggestion that "K knew the season would suck so he faked a back injury" is every bit as phony as the carolina way.
2) Notice the examples referenced. The ONLY school that gave the entire season to the head coach was Mizzou. IOW , even though the link states that "generally" the head coach takes the season , Duke did the exact same thing as the vast majority of the examples cited did...assign the entire season ( or part of it ) to the interim coach. BTW , Majerus took TWO leaves and in both cases credited the assistant coach...
3) Finally , in the interest of putting this urban legend about K screwing Gaudet to rest , I'll just say this. It never happened the way some rivals would have us believe and can any of you imagine the sheetstorm that would happen had Gaudet won most/all of his games? God forbid , if Jeff runs the table?! Heck , what if K doesn't return and Capel won a natty?! Duke announces that the 2016 season goes on K's record?!?!?! We'd never hear the end of it and I'd tend to agree. Yes , it was his team but he wasn't actually coaching. Jeff would be deserving. Just pointing out how selective some of these complaints are. Don't be shocked if we're back here in a month or so listening to rival fans whine if it turns out K gets the games he didn't coach...which I don't think he will anyway. Didn't last time no need to change now.
Here it is...
HEAD COACH DETERMINATION
In order for a coach to be credited with wins, losses or ties, that individual must be designated as the institution’s head coach or interim head coach. Individuals serving on an advisory or preseason basis may not be credited with the wins, losses or ties. If the head coach is not present at a contest due to illness or other unexpected circumstances, or otherwise is unable to complete the sport season, it is the responsibility of the institution to determine, preferably prior to the contest, whether the win, loss or tie for that contest shall be credited to the head coach or to an interim or assistant coach. If the decision is made after the season is over, consider if the new coach influenced the team enough to make a difference in how the team performed (such as style of play). If a coach is no longer employed by the institution as the head coach, that coach can no longer be credited with further wins or losses after the day the relationship was terminated.
The following are examples from Division I men’s basketball teams that have been in the NCAA tournament. The circumstances and institutions’ decisions are as follows:
● In 1989, Rich Daly coached Missouri in the tournament after Norm Stewart became ill and was hospitalized late in the season. Missouri credited Stewart for the entire season.
● Also in 1989, Steve Fisher coached Michigan in the tournament after Bill Frieder took a job at Arizona State between the regular season and the postseason. Michigan split the won-lost record and Fisher was credited with the tournament games and a national championship. NOTE: On Fisher’s official record, he will be credited with one season coached and a 6-0 record.
● In 1995, Mike Krzyzewski had coached Duke to a 9-3 record before having back surgery and missing the remainder of the season. As determined by Duke before interim coach Pete Gaudet coached a game, Gaudet received all the wins and losses for the remainder of the season. ● In 2001, Rick Majerus coached Utah in its first game of the season and had to miss the rest of the season because of his own health problems and concerns for his mother’s health. Utah credited the rest of the season to interim head coach Dick Hunsaker.
● Also in 2001 at Arizona, the wife of Lute Olson passed away and Coach Olson took a leave of absence for an undetermined amount of time. Since it was not known if Olson would return at all that season, Arizona decided to credit the interim coach, assistant Jim Rosborough, with any games played during Olson’s absence. Olson missed five games and Rosborough was credited with a 3-2 record while Olson’s record was 25-6 for the games before and after his leave.
Generally, if a coach misses a game or limited amount of games due to a temporary illness, transportation trouble, etc., the wins or losses by the team in his or her absence will usually go to the head coach.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf
Thoughts...
1) Duke didn't wait until all the games had been played to dump that season on Gaudet. They made the decision BEFORE the next game played. That Duke team was 9-3 and nationally-ranked at the time so any suggestion that "K knew the season would suck so he faked a back injury" is every bit as phony as the carolina way.
2) Notice the examples referenced. The ONLY school that gave the entire season to the head coach was Mizzou. IOW , even though the link states that "generally" the head coach takes the season , Duke did the exact same thing as the vast majority of the examples cited did...assign the entire season ( or part of it ) to the interim coach. BTW , Majerus took TWO leaves and in both cases credited the assistant coach...
3) Finally , in the interest of putting this urban legend about K screwing Gaudet to rest , I'll just say this. It never happened the way some rivals would have us believe and can any of you imagine the sheetstorm that would happen had Gaudet won most/all of his games? God forbid , if Jeff runs the table?! Heck , what if K doesn't return and Capel won a natty?! Duke announces that the 2016 season goes on K's record?!?!?! We'd never hear the end of it and I'd tend to agree. Yes , it was his team but he wasn't actually coaching. Jeff would be deserving. Just pointing out how selective some of these complaints are. Don't be shocked if we're back here in a month or so listening to rival fans whine if it turns out K gets the games he didn't coach...which I don't think he will anyway. Didn't last time no need to change now.
Awesome post. OFC
So if I'm understanding correctly...any games that Coach Capel coaches during the time Coach K is out will be credited to K unless Duke decides before Coach Capel coaches his first game this season that those games will be credited to Coach Capel?
Gonna back-track a bit from what I said earlier. With Gaudet , Pete got the games because K was gonna be out the entire season. Given what we know so far , the plan seems to be for K to return in 4 weeks give or take. As such , maybe he will get the games so who knows? Duke is screwed , PR-wise , either way. If Jeff's successful the haters will say , "K shouldn't get those games." If he's not , they'll say , "K SHOULD get those games." It's "win/win" for them regardless.
What's the big deal on who gets the W/L? Am I missing something? As we've said all year long....next man up!
Nuthin.' Not a thing. UNLESS , that is , it's K and Duke. THEN , it's a HUGE deal. Look at that NCAA link again. Olson , Frieder , Fisher , Majerus ( TWICE! )...no one other than the fans of the schools involved would even know about those incidents. Heck , the incidents are so irrelevant to just about any-damn-thing that even their fans may not know about 'em. Because it's Duke , it's an issue.
Ok I gotcha now, that rule only applies when the coach is out for the rest of the season?