Coach K in favor of paying players
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It certainly makes sense. And while it makes sense, it’s also a very delicate issue. I’ve heard compelling arguments from both sides.
FWIW, I’ve been in favor of it for a long time.
FWIW, I’ve been in favor of it for a long time.
The way I read Coach K's comments is that he agrees that there must be change. He does not specifically endorse what California did, but is in favor of the effect it may have in bringing about change. I think it will be awhile before he is able to get behind any specific program.
He’s finishing up chapter 481 at the moment. When he’s ready we’ll get a copy. It’ll make War and Peace look like a Dr. Seuss book.
Mike Krzyzewski is in favor of what California governor @GavinNewsom did, said dozens of states will pass legislation by end of 2019-20 season. ”We need to stay current with what’s happening. I’m glad it was passed because it pushes the envelope, it pushes the issue.”
K is just using this as a recruiting advantage to look good in the eyes of high school prospects. What a snake!
My personal opinion is, I like college players being amateurs. When they start getting paid (not under the table, but real money like this) it just takes some of the charm out of college athletics for me. But, who knows....
I think they should figure out how much athletes general expenses are for food, entertainment (going out to have fun i.e. movies or other things) and clothing, has money (if they have a car) while they’re in school.
I think Coach K should get behind legislation to pay all Duke fans.
I played football in college and have always felt the student athletes should have some type of stipend to pay for the general expenses you mentioned. The actual amount is what I'm not sure about. I know kids are on full scholarship and eat at a training table, but I sure remember wishing I had a little bit of extra spending money. Heck, I remember one time when my roommate and I almost got in a fight over who drank the last bit of Kool-aid in the fridge.
It really shouldn’t be too hard to calculate how much those expenses would be because they’d just have to figure out how often athletes go out to eat, go to the movies or other entertaining activities and it also shouldn’t be too hard to calculate how much athletes need for clothes or gas for their cars. For example the average cost for one person to go out to eat these days is roughly $20-$30 including tip. So if an athlete goes out to eat 3 times per week then give them $60-$90 a week to go out to eat. Basically if they gave athletes let’s say $2000 a month for expenses that should be enough to cover their expenses especially basketball players that are pretty much guaranteed to go to the NBA after their freshman season. If you look back at the scandal where players were paid, several of those players received $2000-$4000 per month.
I get where you’re going, but for arguments sake....does Jack White get the same as Zion Williamson? Love Jack, love Zion....but we both agree Zion is more ‘valuable’ to Duke, right?
Thanks. The way I see it, college athletes want/need a little spending cash like other college kids do but athletes don’t really have the option of getting a part time job like other college kids do because all of their time is devoted to their schoolwork and their sport. Sports seasons might last 4-6 months but it still takes up most of their time throughout the year with training in the offseason, so giving athletes $2000-$3000 per month for spending cash would in a way be like a part time job.
I think they should give all athletes the same amount regardless of talent. It’d be general spending cash almost like an allowance, so that’s why I say give all athletes the same amount regardless of talent. Athletes like Zion will get plenty of money after they enter their respective sport professionally.
I agree that there should be a stipend of some sort for all athletes since the NCAA rules restrict the athletes from getting extra money - therefore the athletes with less means suffer and can fall prey to temptation to take money in order to just afford everyday expenses. This would also alleviate the temptation to take agent money.
However, that isnt what this law is about...its about the individual getting paid for their likeness, image, jersey etc..so it wont cover all the athletes. Two separate cases but both connected to the payment of players.
I agree with Coach K that the rules need to evolve - and also I agree with other opinions on here that its the amatuerism ( whats left) that makes me enjoy college sports vs pro sports - and i hope they find a way to keep that after they make the inevitable changes that are coming
However, that isnt what this law is about...its about the individual getting paid for their likeness, image, jersey etc..so it wont cover all the athletes. Two separate cases but both connected to the payment of players.
I agree with Coach K that the rules need to evolve - and also I agree with other opinions on here that its the amatuerism ( whats left) that makes me enjoy college sports vs pro sports - and i hope they find a way to keep that after they make the inevitable changes that are coming
Right and I’m sure Jack would agree that Zion *deserved* more. I mean LeBron, Jay-Z and President Obama didn’t come to see Jack White. Life isn’t fair per capitalism.
For those who still want their amateurism, you will still get it since ALL players wont be able to make money off of their likeness just like all players weren’t getting paid by Addias. Bring that dark money to the light by allowing kids to profit off of their likeness.
The kids who didn’t get money from shoe companies know about the other players who were or are getting paid. I haven’t heard of any jealousy from those players.
The kids who didn’t get money from shoe companies know about the other players who were or are getting paid. I haven’t heard of any jealousy from those players.
Schools shouldn’t be paying athletes. Not in my mind at least. They’re technically already doing that. As was said above, that’s not what this law is about- it would allow kids to profit off of their NIL. That’s fine by me, whether it is Coca-Cola or Nike, or some local town Applebee’s. If a company wants to spend its own money and have a kid represent them than so be it.
When this whole California bill first got brought up my biggest thing was i will hold off until i see specific on how this works to judge whether or not i think it’s the right way to go. To be clear, I’m in favor of the idea, i just need to see how they do it.
When this whole California bill first got brought up my biggest thing was i will hold off until i see specific on how this works to judge whether or not i think it’s the right way to go. To be clear, I’m in favor of the idea, i just need to see how they do it.
He did not specifically endorse what California did as a good way to get players paid, but only as impetus for change. He says that he does not pretend to understand the complexities of what California did, and that he hopes that college athletics will adapt but in a sensible manner. Those are his words.
Thank you for making that clear about Coach K. I like the way diehardfordukefan states it . There are student athetes out there whose families are not to do or even middle class. Some athletes get spending money from their families just like regular students do but regular students can have part jobs for the extras. Athletes cannot work even though their education is fully or partially paid for. A reasonable allowance would be helpful. This of course would not stop the under the table cash flow. OFC
“I’m glad it was passed!”
The it would be the California bill.
Edit: In your first response to me, you said:
“He (Coach K) does not specifically endorse what California did...”
I explained he did.
Then your second response was:
“He (Coach K) did not specifically endorse what California did as a good way to get players paid...”
You changed your verbiage up. My reply is he does endorse what California did, as evident by his words. Now the whole “as a good way to get players paid” is what I was NEVER arguing. Just so we’re clear.
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So what about my son that is a scholarship student at a research university that is using him as integral part of their research project that pulls million$ into the university. Shouldn't he get a stipend.
The California law is NOT about paying the students, but allowing the students to make money off their likeness, appearances etc. A scholarship music student can go play piano at a bar and make money so why can't a college athlete make an appearance - shoot a few three pointers and get paid.
I’m just glad K is forward thinking! You need that if we are ever going to progress as a society.
Also, for people who want ALL of the details laid out and every scenario and hypothetical answered, please stop. Even the NCAA doesn’t have all of the answers and they have been around for 100 years but a new law is supposed to answer every single question to a person who hates the rule no matter what? The US Constitution was written and amended several times because new issues arose. But this has to be PERFECT on the first attempt? Psst outta here!
Also, for people who want ALL of the details laid out and every scenario and hypothetical answered, please stop. Even the NCAA doesn’t have all of the answers and they have been around for 100 years but a new law is supposed to answer every single question to a person who hates the rule no matter what? The US Constitution was written and amended several times because new issues arose. But this has to be PERFECT on the first attempt? Psst outta here!
While I am old fashioned in that I still think a Duke education is worth more than the $65,000 per year sticker price to a scholarship athlete, I have no problem paying athletes a stipend of let's say $1000 per month provided that they make some legitimate attempt at attending classes and doing the work. Hear that UNC?
Colleges been paying athletes for years. Just gotta make it legal and the money will really start rolling. No one will be able to offer more than Duke. The brand is at another level from everyone. When you think college basketball you think Duke. No more bag men now
Paying the players will not stop the cheating! In order to stop the cheating the NCAA will need to do undercover work like the FBI did. The NCAA could even work some deals, to get some of the top recruits to expose some of the cheating schools.
everyone cheat man. In some shape or form. Somebody associated with Duke athletics or boosters are dropping money off to these recruits’ families. Just telling them to spend it discretely. Some schools out here giving houses. I personally know this. All of the top schools would have the death penalty if they really investigated. Money talks with professionals so you know it talks with recruits and their parents.
The entire argument is ultimately pointless because no matter what amount the NCAA comes forth and allows schools to pay, shoe companies will be able to continue offering the grand prize amounts. That won’t get swept under the rug regardless of what financial compensations become legal in the future. There’s virtually no stopping it and the NCAA board will turn their heads on the happenings of it because those players being paid to play by a different wallet ultimately benefits them financially with ticket sales and etc. There are a few loopholes placed purposely in the rulebook to allow schools to pay athletes in a “LeGaL mAnNeR” – Why? Because these players staying and playing makes the NCAA rich and they, alike every other business in the world, are all about the $$$.
With all due respect, there's far too many of you who play oblivious to this.
With all due respect, there's far too many of you who play oblivious to this.
Do you guys think Coach K likes us paying the referees? I'm not sure he even knows about it. I haven't told him and I hope none of you have. We could get him and Duke in some big trouble. Everytime we beat the unc cheater u tar heels the refs have been paid off. Please keep TPTRF fund to just us DI members. All we need is a heel lurker to read this and report it to the NCAA or johnny "tar heel" swofford. Remember you can't spell NCAA without the letters nc. 
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