Coaches that take a losing programs and turn them into winners

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I was looking at the current list of job openings and was wondering who are 3 current coaches that could take any long-time losing program and turn it into a playoff contender in 3-5 years...

Lenti--MC
Dunne--Marist
Racki--NAZ

Not saying you agree with me on these 3, but would be interested in your thoughts.
 

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Naz and Marist were a joke prior to RackI and Dunne. Mount Carmel was winning under the previous coach, Barz I believe, before Lenti. Maybe not at the level they hit in the late 80s to now, but not terrible.
 

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That's hard to do...Brent Pearlman had Prospect winning the first of their 3 state championships by his third year, but has not come anywhere close to repeating the feat at Wheeling. Best he's been able to do there in 4 years is 4-5 this year. The same with Donatucci at Hoffman Estates. After a huge run at Fremd he's not been able to get HE over the hump either, with successive 4-5 seasons. Each did start to show some spark at the end of the season this year, so let's see what the future holds..maybe it's harder to change a culture at some places than others?
 
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UlbKA91

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Naz and Marist were a joke prior to RackI and Dunne. Mount Carmel was winning under the previous coach, Barz I believe, before Lenti. Maybe not at the level they hit in the late 80s to now, but not terrible.
Lenti's predecessor's had to deal with the aftermath of 1968 plus the opening of a few new HSs in the SW side. Im sure Lenti could do it from an absolute bare cupboard level, but the program had been making strides and had just made the transition to full-out commuter school in 1980.
 

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I was looking at the current list of job openings and was wondering who are 3 current coaches that could take any long-time losing program and turn it into a playoff contender in 3-5 years...

Lenti--MC
Dunne--Marist
Racki--NAZ

Not saying you agree with me on these 3, but would be interested in your thoughts.
this is a tough one because as much as I respect all three guys you mentioned if you put Lenti, Racki or Dunne at a school like Proviso East and West, Waukegan, Argo, etc. I do not think anyone can turn around those programs fortunes. It is the infrastructure that even a proven coach cannot overcome. These guys have a program but it needs to have administrative support and a way to attract kids. You could put Urban Meyer and a school like Proviso cannot get to 5 wins in that conference
 
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How about coaches who took brand new programs and turned them in to winners?
Lincoln-Way North George Czart
Lincoln-Way West Dave Ernst
And the gold standard
Lincoln-Way East rob Zvonar
 
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this is a tough one because as much as I respect all three guys you mentioned if you put Lenti, Racki or Dunne at a school like Proviso East and West, Waukegan, Argo, etc. I do not think anyone can turn around those programs fortunes. It is the infrastructure that even a proven coach cannot overcome. These guys have a program but it needs to have administrative support and a way to attract kids. You could put Urban Meyer and a school like Proviso cannot get to 5 wins in that conference
Those schools listed above would be the true Troy McAllister experiment. If he is all that and went to say, Waukegan, I expect my apartment complex in Gurnee to have a little more difficulty filling up. If he had went to EP, you'd have every right to watch those CTA/Pace stops on Kedzie,95th, 103rd like a hawk.
 

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I would of liked to have seen if the Phillips coach had been able to take the EP job if he would of brought all those kids with him.
 

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What has been done at Crete is remarkable. Mostly because they no longer lose those kids to MC and Marian. 20 years ago the Treadwell brothers go somewhere else.
 

UlbKA91

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I would of liked to have seen if the Phillips coach had been able to take the EP job if he would of brought all those kids with him.
Would have been easy enough given the apartments on the south face of 87th Street and ample "relative basement" opportunities east of Kedzie.
 

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MC140,

You sayin that Public schools can recruit and retain stud players in their District? Say it ain't so!


What has been done at Crete is remarkable. Mostly because they no longer lose those kids to MC and Marian. 20 years ago the Treadwell brothers go somewhere else.
 

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McAllister can have at it at Evergreen Park....the job is open.
Not if he still doesnt have the PE cert for above grade 9. EP has separate HS and elementary district structures. Not to beat dead Waukegan horse, but since both middle schools and the high schools are under the same district there, would one with a K-9 cert be allowed to teach in both freshman and lower grades (e.g. rove between campuses daily) and coach the HS team?
 

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What has been done at Crete is remarkable. Mostly because they no longer lose those kids to MC and Marian. 20 years ago the Treadwell brothers go somewhere else.
Isn't there new section 8 housing in the district? Those kids weren't in that district 20 years ago, they now are.

And what Hetlett has done at GW is pretty remarkable. Program was always around .500 before he got there.
 

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Isn't there new section 8 housing in the district? Those kids weren't in that district 20 years ago, they now are.

And what Hetlett has done at GW is pretty remarkable. Program was always around .500 before he got there.
You want to talk Section 8, talk about the Rich Twps. As for C-M, its probably also the accumulation of people in once-OK "bougie" burbs and the far south side before the tumbling of the Chicago projects forced them even further southward. C-M is also large lot horse farm - one of the Rita linemen that went to ND lived in Crete on an actual horse ranch.
 

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I would throw Holecek's name in mix just because LA had gone 3-6 and was going 5-4 and last in Blue and now undefeated 8A champ and probable preseason 1 next year. Barz took over MC was in shambles in late 70s and got them quickly to winning a title in '80. (Also pjjp's favorite game in '82)

Public school coaches I look at Appino this year (especially looking at Boylan with him gone) and Zasada at different public schools.
 

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I would throw Holecek's name in mix just because LA had gone 3-6 and was going 5-4 and last in Blue and now undefeated 8A champ and probable preseason 1 next year. Barz took over MC was in shambles in late 70s and got them quickly to winning a title in '80. (Also pjjp's favorite game in '82)

Public school coaches I look at Appino this year (especially looking at Boylan with him gone) and Zasada at different public schools.
Would Holocek be "overwhelmed by circumstances" had he stayed in the Heights? Or would he have been a transformational coach like Lenti, even to the point of bringing talent eastward from the LWs?
 

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Lenti's predecessor was busy printing up t-shirts as well.

You mean shirts like these?

 

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I was looking at the current list of job openings and was wondering who are 3 current coaches that could take any long-time losing program and turn it into a playoff contender in 3-5 years...

Lenti--MC
Dunne--Marist
Racki--NAZ

Not saying you agree with me on these 3, but would be interested in your thoughts.

What about the coach from Driscoll? Where did he land? He was doing really good before they closed the school.
 
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Would Holocek be "overwhelmed by circumstances" had he stayed in the Heights? Or would he have been a transformational coach like Lenti, even to the point of bringing talent eastward from the LWs?

He wasn't in the Heights immediately before taking the Loyola HC job. He was an assistant at Ignatius.
 

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What about the coach from Driscoll? Where did he land? He was doing really good before they closed the school.

Mike Burzawa is HC at Evanston. The Wildkit program he inherited went 1-8 in the year before his arrival and had qualified for the playoffs just once in the previous nine years.

Burzawa's Evanston teams have qualified for the playoffs in five of the last six years. Still looking to make it past round one.
 

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Mike Burzawa is HC at Evanston. The Wildkit program he inherited went 1-8 in the year before his arrival and had qualified for the playoffs just once in the previous nine years.

Burzawa's Evanston teams have qualified for the playoffs in five of the last six years. Still looking to make it past round one.
This is one where I thought he would build a powerhouse, or at least a program similar to an Oak Park. The demographics are very similar. He's had some success but not exactly what was expected. Any ideas on why the program hasn't had more success during his tenure.
 

ramblinman_rivals165935

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This is one where I thought he would build a powerhouse, or at least a program similar to an Oak Park. The demographics are very similar. He's had some success but not exactly what was expected. Any ideas on why the program hasn't had more success during his tenure.

Don't know a whole lot about Evanston other than what I found on the IHSA website.

But, if I can surmise...

Evanston is a huge school -- one of the biggest in the IHSA. I have always heard that they have a ton of talent in the school that does not go out for football. That would certainly help the cause if that situation could be reversed.

Evanston is a tough gig. They haven't had much football success there in a very long time.

From 1987-97, ETHS was 13-11 in the playoffs. Pretty respectable. Since 1997, ETHS is 1-7 in the playoffs, with their lone playoff win coming against a CPS opponent in 2003.

Instead of qualifying as a 5-4 at large team, they need to win 6 or 7 games in the regular season so as to get a better seed in the playoffs. That will help some.

Losing by 2 pts to New Trier and 3 pts to Maine South this year hurt them a lot in terms of seeding. Evanston let MS score 17 unanswered 4th quarter points, including a last second FG, to lose a heartbreaker. Evanston handed Glenbrook North 28-14 one of their two losses this season (the other being against Bradley Bourbonnais 60-59 in round one of 7A). Point is, Evanston is competitive with the best schools in the Central Suburban -- which is a HUGE improvement over where they were several years ago.

Rome wasn't built in a day.
 

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Secondo:

This is a challenging question and tends to fall in the "intellectual property" realm, which usually triggers emotions which cloud effective judgement.

I will, however, offer what I think will be interpreted as a non-biased opinion.

Three which impress me:

Rob Zvonar, Lincoln Way East: LWE opened its doors fifteen years ago and Zvonar has qualified for the playoffs every year since. He has won an impressive 80 percent of his games, won a state title and has one runner-up in 2012. This has been accomplished against some fairly difficult competition in the SWSB with H-F, Brook and occasional challenges from Sandburg and Lockport.

His record is nothing to sneeze at.

Famous Hulbert, Proviso West: Although Hulbert has struggled in the past few years, he guided PW to the post-season four-consecutive years between 2009-2012, winning several first-round games. Prior to Hulbert's arrival, PW's football fortunes were at ebb and was nothing short of an utter calamity: Before he took the reins, the Panthers had five winning seasons, but had not qualified for the playoffs dating back to 1961.

While this is not the first time this subject has been broached on this forum, CrossBones mentioned once his difficulty in reconciling whether it is more difficult to build a power from circumstances such as Zvonar at LWE, where there was no tradition due to a new school, or accepting the challenge of taking an absolutely moribund program and resuscitating it when the apathy exceeds the walls of the building. Hulbert certainly has accomplished a significant feat bringing a winner to where winning is simply foreign.

Hulbert has not won a title, but he has acquitted himself as an impressive coach.

Dan Appino, Rockford Auburn: It is unnecessary to re-count his success at Boylan, but at Auburn, he has taken an abysmal football program to new, unseen heights. Prior to his arrival, Auburn knew seven winning seasons back to 1960. Appino guided Auburn to the quarterfinals this year and achieved a 10-2 record.

Look where Boylan rests now.

Although unrelated by level only, the single-greatest program building in my lifetime is Bill Snyder at Kansas State. In 1988, faced with pitiful football programs at both Kansas and KSU, the Kansas State Board of Regents weighed dropping football from both schools. They bypassed dropping from the Big-8 and entering a new conference; they rejected dropping down to D-II; and they went straight for eliminating the programs altogether. This was the problem-solving method for a university system which relies almost exclusively on revenue to fund athletic operations from a single sport such as football. KU hired Glen Mason and KSU hired Snyder.

At KSU, Snyder has complied a record of 193-100-1. Snyder retired in 2005, saw the program go 17-20 in his absence, returned in 2009 and re-built the program once again.
 

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Here is one not too many people remember as turning around a losing program- Bret Kooi

When he went 5-4 @ Jt West in two years and then took over a Lockprt program for Bill Zimmer that was totally run down and in chaos! He brought in GEORGE CZART to run his defense and the rest is history with 2 state titles!
 

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Argo had a coach who quit this year before he started.The talent is there but kids just don't come out.Been that way for years.Getting 30 kids on the team who are upper classmen is difficult.Jim Innis won 89 games and lost 150 games.Sure he took Argo to the playoffs 3 times winning once.He kept his job from 1988 to 2013 because nobody else wanted it.He had close to 10 teams that had the talent to go to the playoffs that failed to do so_One could have made a big run but horrible coaching done them in(beating Richards but losing to St.Joe) another could have made a run too(beating conference champ by 3 touchdowns Rich East but losing to Oak Lawn).A excellent football player who left Argo to go to Richards told me that he learned more in 1 week at Richards that he did at years at Argo.I recall going to games at Argo seeing a fantastic soph team they had and bragging on the QB.The mom of the kid was right across from me and thanked me.She also told me that unless the Coach were fired that her son would not be playing because she & her son did not care for him(pg version) 2 other parents who had some awesome sons also chipped in saying they wouldn't play for him and both were asked to move up to varsity but they refused
 

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That's hard to do...Brent Pearlman had Prospect winning the first of their 3 state championships by his third year, but has not come anywhere close to repeating the feat at Wheeling. Best he's been able to do there in 4 years is 4-5 this year. The same with Donatucci at Hoffman Estates. After a huge run at Fremd he's not been able to get HE over the hump either, with successive 4-5 seasons. Each did start to show some spark at the end of the season this year, so let's see what the future holds..maybe it's harder to change a culture at some places than others?
Donatucci had Hoffman playing very well by the end of the season in a very tough conference. Pearlman does not have the same defensive coordinator with him at Wheeling ; he has had the Wheeling offense playing very well the last two years.
 

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this is a tough one because as much as I respect all three guys you mentioned if you put Lenti, Racki or Dunne at a school like Proviso East and West, Waukegan, Argo, etc. I do not think anyone can turn around those programs fortunes. It is the infrastructure that even a proven coach cannot overcome. These guys have a program but it needs to have administrative support and a way to attract kids. You could put Urban Meyer and a school like Proviso cannot get to 5 wins in that conference
Troy McAllister could probably turn those programs around---when he took over at Phillips , its program was awful; it had only 12 players in ti and had won very few games for several years.
 

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Troy McAllister could probably turn those programs around---when he took over at Phillips , its program was awful; it had only 12 players in ti and had won very few games for several years.

Not he couldn't because he wouldnt have the AUSL filtering kids into his program like he does now
 

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RJ Haines has turned Manteno from a team that typically loses all its talent to Bishop Mac and has 1-4 wins into a team that is a factor in 4A each year.
 

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I was looking at the current list of job openings and was wondering who are 3 current coaches that could take any long-time losing program and turn it into a playoff contender in 3-5 years...

Lenti--MC
Dunne--Marist
Racki--NAZ

Not saying you agree with me on these 3, but would be interested in your thoughts.


Racki also at Driscoll
Nudo has done it before at Driscoll
Beebe at Aurora Christian, left a couple years ago
Leonard at Rochester
Leonard at SHG
Heslett - Glenbard West

Of course many of these coaches in this thread no way would be leaving their respective schools.
 
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Donatucci had Hoffman playing very well by the end of the season in a very tough conference. Pearlman does not have the same defensive coordinator with him at Wheeling ; he has had the Wheeling offense playing very well the last two years.
Pearlman had former Palatine HC Joe Petricca running his defenses at Prospect. A n y o n e would win with him running their "D"