Coaching Staff Next Year

[MSU158]

You made the claim they are "DWARFING" Iowa in terms of resources and that is why iowa can't compete.
Now if I understand your post correctly, it's by allowing them to pay athletes in some grey area we aren't. That's how they're DWARFING Iowa's resources?

It has been a 2 part problem. Money and compliance. If that stays true, no matter what changes you make with the coaching staff, the issues will remain and limit what they can do.

 

[PUR158]

Nope, not even close. My argument is simply with the entitlement that oozes out of many of you on this board. Hell, I have even said I would like to see better performances. I have even been very critical of the Brands not getting their guys to March healthy, especially the upperclassmen.

Every dynasty ends. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Look at UCLA Basketball. At one time they were arguably the biggest dynasty across all college athletics. Just like them, PSU will fall at some point.

The argument has NEVER been about wanting more. I have endorsed that. It is about spitting in the face of every other program by complaining about finishing top 5 for 17 years STRAIGHT when NO other team, including PSU has done it.

Again, the whining is akin to Rich People Problems. The caviar wasn't imported in time, so now I have to eat the local stuff. Yuck. It is SOOOO unfair...

Simply put, the Brands deserve WAY more credit on this board than they get and I have plenty of issues with that and these arguments are my way of expressing those....

I will say, I have been agreeing more and more with a lot of your points. However, my one question for you is up until very recently the main premise of your stance was that Iowa was the second best team, only behind Penn State in recruiting, and results. Why now has the defense moved to "top 5"?

 

[Squatch96]

Being a top 5 program for over 50 years is average ?
Dynasties come and go in all sports and wrestling is no different. But to stay at the top for 50 years isn't easy. How many other wrestling programs can say they've been top 5 for 50 years ?

Lowest finish is 8th? In 50 years could be Oklahoma or to a lesser extent Minnesota. Not that saying things shouldn't change but I think it could be much worse

 

[Libertylover]

I try to drive people to my outcome have you read this thread it's a bunch of people pushing Burroughs and won't stop until everyone agrees you know outcome and all

I’m guessing I have a better grasp on that kind of stuff than most since I’m in my mid 20s. DT prior to going OSU is at best on par with JB popularity wise and I’ll stick by that.

What do you think of Nolf as a name that would draw recruits?

 

[LIV4GOD]

I am not being negative. Just intenitonally annoying. There is a substantial difference.

Annoyingly negative toward those you perceive as negative.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

It appears to be a very major part of why they lost the Rainey's, Bassetts and Miller. With them, do you not believe they would be challenging both teams rather well?

Maybe, if that is why Iowa "lost" all these guys.

But you're off point, regardless.

 

[Libertylover]

Exactly. You can coach mid tier guys up all you want, you're not beating a lineup of blue chippers without a bunch of your own.

Brands learned this lesson too late.

 

[MSU158]

Annoyingly negative toward those you perceive as negative.

Apparently I have succeeded in annoying you so….mission accomplished!

 

[MSU158]

I will say, I have been agreeing more and more with a lot of your points. However, my one question for you is up until very recently the main premise of your stance was that Iowa was the second best team, only behind Penn State in recruiting, and results. Why now has the defense moved to "top 5"?

I still think they are the 2nd best program overall, but I can concede that DT is likely to pass and stay ahead for a while as long as he has the money and resources at his disposal.

To me, top 5 is a fair bar overall since teams like tOSU, Michigan and Nebraska are big enough names to have mini-runs but could never sustain it long term…

 

[el dub]

Yep because they pay me and I mentor Morningstar according to the s and conspiracy lovers. Then others say I don't know anything or anyone and make stuff up.
Hard to follow the cesspool

I do t believe you’re being paid or mentoring anyone. But I do believe you have an alliance with the current staff that has resulted in you monitor this board for any information they don’t want presented to the public.

You made the claim they are "DWARFING" Iowa in terms of resources and that is why iowa can't compete.
Now if I understand your post correctly, it's by allowing them to pay athletes in some grey area we aren't. That's how they're DWARFING Iowa's resources?

And what about the other teams that are passing us by?

 

[Squatch96]

Brands learned this lesson too late.

Agree I think Gable was really good at finding guys and coaching them up and but recruiting has changed so much i mean recrutis nowadays have access to so much wrestling content and more and more always seem ready to go right out of high school

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

What do you think of Nolf as a name that would draw recruits?

He’d be good. I think JB with Nolf as a lead assistant would be better.

 

[Libertylover]

It appears to be a very major part of why they lost the Rainey's, Bassetts and Miller. With them, do you not believe they would be challenging both teams rather well?

When we were bidding against OSU for Raneys, we thought we still had Bo’s huge deal to finance and Millers the next year. If we knew they were gone, we could have used those resources to be more competitive with Taylor.

 

[WillieTheBrain]

You should come by more often. I'm here almost every day. Gulp. Don't tell my wife. But it's been a long time since the comments have been running 5 to 1 in favor of saying that recruiting, not development, is the sole key to Cael's success.

i mean, the board is LITERALLY, RIGHT NOW, AS OF THIS VERY MOMENT

advocating for people that have not come close to demonstrating an ability to coach at any level and all because of a perceived ability to recruit.

a large majority of this board is so fixated on recruiting they forget that you have to ..... coach. and everything else.

and i'm telling you it's a byproduct (at least on this board) of year's of 'penn state only wins because recruiting'

trust me, i wish it was totally about recruiting. that's my wheelhouse and my business.

but i promise you some of the names you mentioned would still fail at iowa even if they recruited near the level of Cael.

they just aren't built for it.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

Being a top 5 program for over 50 years is average ?
Dynasties come and go in all sports and wrestling is no different. But to stay at the top for 50 years isn't easy. How many other wrestling programs can say they've been top 5 for 50 years ?

Corby, we appreciate what we have, but just the same we shouldn't settle for PSU and now Okie St kicking our asses every year. That is not an option in this day and age of Iowa wrestling.

 

[WillieTheBrain]

It has been a 2 part problem. Money and compliance. If that stays true, no matter what changes you make with the coaching staff, the issues will remain and limit what they can do.

this is delusional excuse making yet again from you.

if you truly thought this was the case, would you say it to prospective applicants when the job opens?

 

[WillieTheBrain]

Robie was on staff prior to Lewis arriving and was promoted to HC for 2017-18 season, which was Lewis’s first season with the program.

here we go again.

you think the recruiting is the hard part. it's just the first part.

Robie did an incredible job with him. He did not walk in to town in Blacksburg with a NCAA-Title-As-A-Freshman-By-Beating -The-Reigning-Champ label on his chest.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

The 2 teams that are now surpassing or have surpassed Iowa(PSU and OkState) are currently DWARFING Iowa in resources. Hell, it has been made known that the team didn't even get a single penny for revenue sharing this year. Meanwhile, Richison not only forked up huge money to get Taylor, but he FULLY FUNDED National Duals. Another billionaire is a giant reason Sanderson went to PSU and why he got EVERYTHING he could possibly want to build them into what they are now.

As far as the Brands go, MAYBE fans outside of this forum think the way you do. But, ON HERE, that simply is NOT the case. Hell many on here have even said PSU wouldn't be as good as they are if not for the Brands being so bad at their jobs. Can you not see how ridiculous that is and why I have dug in so hard here?

Mind you, I admittedly choose a very specific tact to get most of the reactions here that I receive. But, that is simply a tit for tat strategy. Most of the talk hasn't been how do we make Iowa better. It has been how do we get rid of Brands SIMPLY BECAUSE we will automatically be so much better without them To me, that is the most ridiculous approach humanly possible...

There you go, MSU, putting words in peoples' mouths...AGAIN!! Really? "Most of the talk has been how do we get rid of Brands SIMPLY BECAUSE we will automatically be so much better without them?" That's BS. Most on here say it's time for a change, and I don't think anyone and certainly not most say that Iowa will "automatically" be so much better without them, which is why the most you refer to are bringing up names like JB, Nolf, etc. And very few (perhaps zero) are saying they'll just take anyone. Sometimes you post logic, Ok, rarely, but sometimes. And sometimes you put words in peoples' mouths so you can attempt to articulate your limp *** case. Full of Sh*t!

 

[BroncHawk]

here we go again.

you think the recruiting is the hard part. it's just the first part.

Robie did an incredible job with him. He did not walk in to town in Blacksburg with a NCAA-Title-As-A-Freshman-By-Beating -The-Reigning-Champ label on his chest.

I was just answering a question, Mr. “Brain”. I don’t know what lines you think you’re reading between.

 

[WillieTheBrain]

i admit you kinda walked into it at a bad time and caught a semi-stray. sorry.

i'm a little cranky at the moment.

 

[Corby2]

I do t believe you’re being paid or mentoring anyone. But I do believe you have an alliance with the current staff that has resulted in you monitor this board for any information they don’t want presented to the public.

And what about the other teams that are passing us by?

One time Gobblin and I had words over something he posted . You actually think I talk to the staff about what's posted here and have things removed? I'm not a mod and if that wasn't a conspiracy theory and actually true wouldn't me being a mod be important in order to deliver? Or are you back smoking weed again and didn't actually think your conspiracy through?

 

[Ptguard5]

Kids attention spans aren't long at all today. They're on to the next guy who's still winning. Not saying kids don't like him but I don't think he currently has that wow factor. DT came back to compete again after he took the job so it would help recruiting and put him back in the competition spotlight

Ok. got it. That explains why Brands dosen’t recruit…no WOW factor. but then there is also the fact he just doesn’t like or want to.

 

[Ptguard5]

My issue is with entitled fans that whine incessantly about 5th place finishes as if that is “average” when the current coach is literally the ONLY one to do it over a 17 year span.

On top of that, MOST of you truly have NO IDEA how to really make it any better, instead you constantly disparage the coaches and even the wrestlers not ever really beginning to have a CLUE how hard it is to even AA at the DI level.

But, hey, this is Iowa so we should just automatically have multiple NCAA Champs and just having at least one Finalist for 35 years really sucks.

Hate on me all you want, but make these complaints outside of this super fringe bubble and see how many people agree with all the whining when it could be SO much worse…

And that’s the problem. Your Mich St mentality vs Hawkeye tradition and expectations. Just being OK and mediocre is not nearly good enough….you want to settle, fine. Most Hawkeye wrestling fans do not.

 

[Mattski]

i mean, the board is LITERALLY, RIGHT NOW, AS OF THIS VERY MOMENT

advocating for people that have not come close to demonstrating an ability to coach at any level and all because of a perceived ability to recruit.

a large majority of this board is so fixated on recruiting they forget that you have to ..... coach. and everything else.

and i'm telling you it's a byproduct (at least on this board) of year's of 'penn state only wins because recruiting'

trust me, i wish it was totally about recruiting. that's my wheelhouse and my business.

but i promise you some of the names you mentioned would still fail at iowa even if they recruited near the level of Cael.

they just aren't built for it.

That's bc the biggest gap between iowa and psu has clearly been recruiting. I also think development has been better at psu but he's running a marathon with a 10 mile head start bc of how they've recruited.
Let me ask you this way, if you took psus 2025/26 roster and enrolled them at Iowa starting their freshman years, and did the same for Iowa's current roster at psu starting their freshman years, who would be favored to win the tourney this year?
I can say without a doubt it would be Iowa, though admittedly the margin wouldn't be what we'll see.
Lillidahl would be a no doubt title contender at Iowa.
Blaze, no doubt title contender.
Davis, he is what he is, a kid bumping to fill a hole.
Van Ness, surefire high AA
Duke, Mess, Haines, Rocco, Barr all surefire title contenders.
Mirasola definitely has benefited at psu but he'd still be an AA contender.
8/10 guys on their roster are or were contending for titles AS FRESHMAN. There's only so much development that takes place in less than a year.

 

[TherealGrip220]

John DuPont vibes???

No quite the opposite

 

[Ptguard5]

This is the "literal" equivalent to Rich People Problems. Oh, woe is me, I had to eat a New York Strip today because they were out of Chateaubriand. Man, do New York Strip suck!!!! Meanwhile 99% would LOVE to have the New York Strip.

Again, it isn't about wanting more. It is the incessant whining and blasting one of the top coaches in history, without truly even having a remotely feasible plan to replace him.

On top of all that, MOST of those being so negative on here had gripes with Brands for a very long time. Even you have made that VERY obvious in your personal stance...

it’s not about wanting more, everyone wants more. It’s about demanding and expecting more…not settling! The top coach refuses to adapt, dislikes recruiting, and has no flexibility. But maybe we can fight for 5th or 6th place. BE HAPPY!

 

[Gusaford1]

i mean, the board is LITERALLY, RIGHT NOW, AS OF THIS VERY MOMENT

advocating for people that have not come close to demonstrating an ability to coach at any level and all because of a perceived ability to recruit.

a large majority of this board is so fixated on recruiting they forget that you have to ..... coach. and everything else.

and i'm telling you it's a byproduct (at least on this board) of year's of 'penn state only wins because recruiting'

trust me, i wish it was totally about recruiting. that's my wheelhouse and my business.

but i promise you some of the names you mentioned would still fail at iowa even if they recruited near the level of Cael.

they just aren't built for it.

Yep. The timing of some of those comments wasn't helpful.

 

[MSU158]

this is delusional excuse making yet again from you.

if you truly thought this was the case, would you say it to prospective applicants when the job opens?

Any applicant with a brain would have to ask those exact questions and get concrete answers. It is obvious for everyone to see what it took to get DT and what is being done to give him every opportunity to succeed.

I am sure a ton of coaches would just take the job no matter what, but the kind of coaches the lunatics on here think Iowa deserves no matter what, would want to be sure before taking it, especially knowing how much pressure they will be under right from the start…

 

[InTheCircle]

this is delusional excuse making yet again from you.

if you truly thought this was the case, would you say it to prospective applicants when the job opens?

Prospective applicants already know it Willie. Beth needs to be working some magic. BTW, shoot me a list of 7-8 guys who you think will be a fit for our two assistant coaching positions, in about a month or two, maybe sooner.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Prospective applicants already know it Willie. Beth needs to be working some magic. BTW, shoot me a list of 7-8 guys who you think will be a fit for our two assistant coaching positions, in about a month or two, maybe sooner.

There are 3 assistant positions.

And ain’t no one going to get the job by “applying” for it. Whenever it opens.

 

[WillieTheBrain]

Prospective applicants already know it Willie.

already know what?

 

[grasshawk40]

Heard the NCAA tournament starts tomorrow

That got a chuckle

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

already know what?

That OSU and PSU have significantly more money than us and are allowed to be play in grey area more.

 

[WillieTheBrain]

wait. you guys think the best candidates will be reluctant b/c of Iowa's 'lack of resources'?

lmfao.

you guys still don't get it. i'm not tryin' to be a pr!ck. and i love it here and your passion. but you refuse to accept reality and correctly identify/blame the actual source that causes your frustration.

 

[Corby2]

wait. you guys think the best candidates will be reluctant b/c of Iowa's 'lack of resources'?

lmfao.

Iowa should hire from the boards these guys have a plan

 

[el dub]

Iowa should hire from the boards these guys have a plan

Do you ever post on the PSU board? Just curious.

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

wait. you guys think the best candidates will be reluctant b/c of Iowa's 'lack of resources'?

lmfao.

you guys still don't get it. i'm not tryin' to be a pr!ck. and i love it here and your passion. but you refuse to accept reality and correctly identify/blame the actual source that causes your frustration.

OSU and PSU both have Billionaire donors and our biggest donor is nowhere near as rich and will be gone when Tom is. You think coaches won’t be concerned about that when trying to compete with them? Also the fact we got zero in rev share this year.

 

[el dub]

OSU and PSU both have Billionaire donors and our biggest donor is nowhere near as rich and will be gone when Tom is. You think coaches won’t be concerned about that when trying to compete with them? Also the fact we got zero in rev share this year.

So, you’re saying potential coaches will turn down a large pay raise to run a top tier program because two schools in the country have larger budgets?

 

[jakgray]

So, you’re saying potential coaches will turn down a large pay raise to run a top tier program because two schools in the country have larger budgets?

Nope not at all

Just saying if you want to be on or at the same level of recruiting you need what they have.

Which is $$$$$$

 

[BroncHawk]

wait. you guys think the best candidates will be reluctant b/c of Iowa's 'lack of resources'?

lmfao.

you guys still don't get it. i'm not tryin' to be a pr!ck. and i love it here and your passion. but you refuse to accept reality and correctly identify/blame the actual source that causes your frustration.

It’s the lack of windows in the new facility, isn’t it!?