Colleges consider no freshman eligibility?

[Anon1754760634]

Aimed at football and basketball specifically. Surprised this hasn't been discussed at all here. I get it but isn't this like 40 years too late? I know Big Ten is getting hammered on this but others (Big 12/Pac 12) have also been in discussions about this.

Your thoughts?

 

[Lockport Dad]

Wouldn't matter that much in football because most freshman red shirt their freshman year in football. Would this take the place of the red shirt year?

In basketball it would be a much bigger issue since a lot of basketball players play their freshman year. If this rules was adopted this year I don't think Kentucky the number one team right now could field a team.

I don't think it will be adopted any time soon.

 

[jwarigaku]

Edgy,

This would really be a reinstatement of the rule that existed prior to 1972 so not really so much 40 years late, but rather the rule went dormant for a little over 40 years.

 

[WIU@78]

Totally agree with the no frosh rule. Basketball as the main culprit here. Two ideas I have floated around the coaches. If you eliminate the frosh eligibility for hoops, those NBA aspirants will go to other professional leagues rather than wait out a year of college...a good thing. Take Kentucky basketball. The NBA hopeful of the Blue have barely 14-15 hours of credit by the time the AAU coaches have already cut the deals with agents of these players, who will bolt to the pros. 1) No frosh play. Or... 2) Leave it as is , but if a freshman does go pro, have the school lose a scholarship for the following two years for the vacated scholarship years of that player. For each and every player. Again, think Kentucky. It stinks that there are no real attachments to the university for these elite NBA prospects, and the fans of the sport barely can make a connection with the players. Contrast Wisconsin with Kentucky.

 

[1111SouthFirst]

Get rid of the one and done in college basketball and let players go pro after high school. NBA should set up their own minor leagues. Kentucky's AAU program, masquerading as a college team, has ruined college basketball.

 

[Anon1754760634]

Doesn't NBA still have the D league?

 

[mc140]

Originally posted by edgytim:
Doesn't NBA still have the D league?

Players make more money playing for a power 5 school.

This post was edited on 2/24 9:21 AM by mc140

 

[WIU@78]

Calipari makes sure of that MC140. Even Coach K has been forced to go the route of the one and done. Does anyone think Jabari Parker was interested in an education at Duke? The system is manipulated by the power schools, who have dragged in the NCAA, which is never a good thing. The NBA D league may become viable, but as it stands now is just a league that says you are D one with the NBA dream.

This post was edited on 2/24 9:29 AM by WIU78

This post was edited on 2/24 9:30 AM by WIU78

 

[mc140]

Originally posted by WIU78:
Calipari makes sure of that MC140. Even Coach K has been forced to go the route of the one and done. Does anyone think Jabari Parker was interested in an education at Duke? The system is manipulated by the power schools, who have dragged in the NCAA, which is never a good thing. The NBA D league may become viable, but as it stands now is just a league that says you are D one with the NBA dream.

This post was edited on 2/24 9:29 AM by WIU78

This post was edited on 2/24 9:30 AM by WIU78

Very few football or basketball players are interested in an education at the D1 level. Coaches help make sure of that by sterring them towards easy majors.

This post was edited on 2/24 10:16 AM by mc140

 

[Amish_2]

I think this is all aimed at the NBA and they are dragging football into it to mask that. I think the AD's want to force the NBA's hand in changing it's rules about draft eligibility to something more akin to Baseball or Football.

 

[godfthr53]

Originally posted by mc140:

Originally posted by WIU78:
Calipari makes sure of that MC140. Even Coach K has been forced to go the route of the one and done. Does anyone think Jabari Parker was interested in an education at Duke? The system is manipulated by the power schools, who have dragged in the NCAA, which is never a good thing. The NBA D league may become viable, but as it stands now is just a league that says you are D one with the NBA dream.


This post was edited on 2/24 9:29 AM by WIU78


This post was edited on 2/24 9:30 AM by WIU78

Very few football or basketball players are interested in an education at the D1 level. Coaches help make sure of that by sterring them towards easy majors.


This post was edited on 2/24 10:16 AM by mc140

They shouldn't even have to goto school and be a student. They aren't getting anything out of it anyways and aren't there for the education.

 

[SweetWalter34]

I know I personally value education above almost everything, but does that mean everyone has to?
Is it the NBA's job to advance education in the US, or is the NBA's job to produce the most entertaining product possible?
How about the PGA, NASCAR, etc.?
Interested in everyone's thoughts.

 

[caravan8]

I think the big difference between the NFL / NBA & other sports (PGA/Tennis/NASCAR etc.) is that in those sports, the individual must perform well in competition to earn winnings and get endorsements (which is where they make most of their $ if they're stars). In the NBA and NFL as soon as you're drafted in the 1st round you are guaranteed a certain amount of $ and most times its a pretty substantial amount. So before you've even stepped on the court or field to play the team is already invested some major cash into your POTENTIAL success. In the other sports you have to have PROVEN success before sponsors will sign you to deals and your earnings from the sport you play are just that, earned in competition, not given once you sign a contract. The unknown commodity is what's scary to these NFL/NBA owners.

 

[sundevil1988]

Another change that will no doubt effect some is the NCAA's change to the initial eligibility standards starting with the 2016 class.

 

[SweetWalter34]

The main leverage the NCAA or Power 5 conferences have over the NFL or NBA is that the NFL and NBA owners don't want to take-on the added cost of building and maintaining their own minor-league systems.
The main leverage the NBA and NFL owners have over the NCAA or Power 5 conferences is that the NCAA and Power 5 conferences don't want to lose revenue by fielding lower-quality teams comprised only of students who are actually completing real degrees.
So the question is basically two-fold:
- What would be the annual cost to the NFL or NBA ownership to build and maintain it's own minor-league system?
- How much less would the NCAA and Power 5 earn each year if all their players were actually students completing real degrees?
The lack of any large movement in professional-eligibility rules seems to indicate that both sides calculate the two above financial hits as being about equal.