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Collin Chandler
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And honestly, i’ve given up UK competing for a title this season. I think at this point that is an unrealistic and unreasonable expectation for a team that started off as slow as we did.
They can get better. But the teams ahead of them can and will too.
Title winners historically have always started strong.
That's a nothing comment. You have given 0 explanations to refute my claim that CC is not a PG and is not a final-four caliber SG. He is an athletic wing, like Oweh.
I disagree. I know Colin is not a finished product, but I'd rather invest in him as I feel it way pay off 3 fold when we need it the most later down the road.
I want to see him develop, just like Jasper.
I want to see him develop, just like Jasper.
How did he fail the reading assignment? In your original post, it literally has the phrase we need to give up on the Collin Chandler experiment at the 1-2 for the next few years…I personally think that’s asinine, especially considering you compared him to a “Wade” which is a scouting keyword for guys like Oweh that are drive first, can shoot a little bit you go under on. You absolutely don’t go under on CC. He’s one of the only guys on this team that you have to go over on. You have the right to your opinion, but while it may be a popular one on this website, it doesn’t make much sense. Dward is right — Chandler is a sophomore. We need to stop thinking every player puts it all completely together 45 games into a college career.
See how CC stands in the corner, waiting for a wide open 3 while jasper creates and hits a smooth, quick release jumper? It's because JJ is much more of a playmaking, shot-making guard than chandler. It's not chandler's game. I actually believe JJ is a final-four caliber guard.
And? That would be like posting a clip of Chandler posterizing someone and saying that’s not Jasper’s game. Water is wet. They are two completely different players.
I know Chandler and Noah are designed to shoot the 3 but I would like to see them take the 8 to 15 foot shots. They both get into the lane but then stop short and turn their back to the basket looking to pass.
Both 6 5guys. Rise up and drop that immediate or short jumper. Quit driving and picking up the dribble in the lane.
Both 6 5guys. Rise up and drop that immediate or short jumper. Quit driving and picking up the dribble in the lane.
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That's literally my point. The offense looks so bad because Pope is putting three of the same type of players on the court at the same time: Aberdeen, CC, and Oweh. Jasper is different. The main reason I made the post is that, given this past portal and recruiting cycle, I'm not sure Pope will go out and get an elite guard to pair with Chandler. Instead, he'll likely make Chandler the guard and go get a wing to pair with him.
I’d definitely like to see that from Chandler. He has good enough form on his pull up. Noah —- idk. He might exclusively be a catch and shoot, board crash, cutter guy.
Brother, I don’t think you get that I disagree with saying CC and Oweh are the same type of player. CC is not a “Wade”. Oweh is a “Wade.” CC is in a slump, he’s fine at the 2, but he has to figure it out. Remember Keith Bogans stunk up the joint the entire 2002 season? It happens.
I went back and read it again and hes only talking about for this season.
Maybe I misunderstood too. Here’s what it says verbatim:
If we want to compete for a title this season and next, we need to move on from the Chandler experiment at the 1–2 and get a proper point guard and a proper shooting guard.
I’m still thinking that refers to more than just this year.
Well, like you said, you can see it but I can't. I just never see Chandler being the guy to hit highly contested big shots in a title game or create for himself and play-make, shot-make at an elite level with the most pressure. But the people on here who don't read and talk about "Calipari or kicking players off the team" or whatever they are talking about is just not my point.
I said I see Chandler as evolving into a role similarly, not exactly, like Oweh and you need the guards creating for him, taking pressure off him so he's wide open or can drive to the rim.
Fair enough. I’m a big Chandler fan, probably too much. He’s got potential for something we didn’t have last year and I appreciate what he can be.
I’ll never not be a Collin Chandler guy.
Question, do you think CC has a similar game to Kobe Brea? Or how do you view a SG? Is it just a guy who can shoot threes? Wide open threes, contested threes, catch-and-shoot, quick release, slow release, etc. I guess what I'm saying is... When I say final-four caliber shooting guard, I'm talking about an NBA-level scoring guard who can score regardless of the defender, how much time he has, etc. not just a guy who can knock down a three if he has enough time and someone passes him the ball. Because in those games you need so much confidence and so little space.
No, Koby Brea is a Klay.
I view CC more like a JR Smith. He’s a capable shooter with athleticism, but not a slasher.
In Pope’s offense the 1 is its own thing.
The 2 and 3 are virtually the same position. We don’t have a Klay on this team. Even KW isn’t a Klay. You don’t need one if you create enough pressure at the rim —- that’s what we are working on. The looks will get cleaner as we develop an offensive identity in the paint.
Okay so what would you do next year? What is your starting lineup look like (with recruits/transfers/returners) to compete for a title (And I'm still hoping we can this year, i'm not out at all, if healthy)
I’m not decided on it. We’d have to see how everyone performed for the full scope of the season. I can give you my early opinions on it, but this isn’t final.
pg - J. Lowe (Locked in)
sg - C. Chandler (Need to see more)
sf - K. Williams (Need to see more)
pf - Portal Stud
c - M. Moreno (Locked in)
6th - Portal Stud
7th - J. Johnson
etc. etc.
Lowe is hard because I like his game and his leadership/toughness but if he gets hurt again... we definitely need a really good backup PG (or 5 of them) lol.
and you think Dioubate leaves? or someone ahead of him?
Lowe is easy for me. He could be a national star with another year and he shows the grit to play through injuries.
As for Mo, I’d sign up immediately for another year of him at the four. I have no inside details but I’ve always heard he and BG are on one year deals. I don’t think Mo is here next year. If I knew he was, I’d absolutely return him at the 4. He’d be a “locked in” to me.
But understand, I’m viewing this from a different perspective than most. I’m talking going all in to win a national championship, not just make a good run.
wow yeah i misread again. i did not see the “next” the second time i read it. probably what i get for being on my phone during family time on christmas eve
Haha, you think I had a nothing comment and I think you have nothing comments. Fair? Pope is not trying CC at the point, he's putting him at 2g/sf in different sets. You seem to concentrate on one player weaknesses, but pope is trying to maximize his sets on offense and defense in terms of five at a time. He is playing chess and you are playing checkers.
There was a time when this was the natural progression of a young player( sophomore).
The payoff was their latter years. Same with JJ and MM. The pool of guys who are game changers as freshman is typically small. This year is an annonmaly with so many big time freshman.
Yes that is one of their frustrating habits. I would hope that gets addressed watching film and seeing it happen over and over.
Personally I feel sorry for Chandler because he's being asked to run some PG and initiate the offense and that isn't his game. He's probably smart enough to realize he's being used out of position this year and last but does it to try and help the team.
He seems a little down so hopefully Pope will get him energized again because him and Kam are about the only guys who should have a constant greenlight.
I see him more as a hybrid 3. Can shoot threes but is athletic and quick to get to the rim. I wish he would attack the basket more or shoot a pull up in the lane. Think he is under utilizing his game. That dude can throw some dimes as well.
I will correct you on one thing Koby could not create his own shots without help!
Towards the end of the season he could, he had very good footwork, ball handling and a quick release to go with it.
I feel like depends on how you define creating your own shot. I remember a sequence agaisnt florida when he caught the ball off a screen but was closed out on, pump faked that guy into the air and side stepped, then faked another guy into the air and got the shot off and nailed it.
Is that creating his own shot? I kind of feel like it is but others would argue it’s not.
Your OP sounded like you wanted to get rid of him. Sorry if you didn’t mean that. Pope is the one who needs to change a little.
He’s played really well this year. He’s played not as well like the last 3 games. He will be fine.
No you don’t but in this day so many teams are competent shooting teams that if you face a good shooting team who makes 14-15 a game you better make 8-9 if you want to compete. That is a lot of extra points from 3.
He’s a good set shooter, our other guys need to pass the ball when he’s open too. He also needs to drive early in games to get his confidence up.
You are one of our fans that could be a hall of fame coach if just given the chance. It is amazing how many fans we have that no more than actual coaches who have been coaching at a high a level for years.