Comey: Difficult to vet refugees from Syria and Yemen

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But the judge in Hawaii doesn't care.


FBI Director Jim Comey testified in a Senate hearing Wednesday that he has “concerns about the ability to vet people” from countries with which the U.S. does not have a relationship, such as Syria and Yemen.

Comey was asked by Republican Louisiana Sen. John Kennedy, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, whether it is possible to “properly vet” a non-citizen from a “conflict area such as Syria.”

“It’s difficult to do it perfectly, and I have concerns about the ability to vet people coming from areas where we have no relationship on the ground with the government there,” Comey replied. “I suppose it’s possible to do it reasonably. There are a number of tools you could bring to bear, but there are always risks associated with that.”

The FBI director said these “tools” are querying the holdings of the U.S. intelligence community to find matches for an individual’s contact information, like phone numbers, email and home addresses. He said that in Iraq, the U.S. relies heavily on biometric information obtained by military forces there. Sen. Kennedy asked about vetting people from Yemen, and Comey responded that it is “similarly difficult.”

President Donald Trump signed two executive orders temporarily banning the immigration of individuals from countries with which the U.S. has a weak relationship. The first one included Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Sudan, and Libya. The second one did not bar the entry of Iraqis. Both have been held up in federal courts and 1,493 refugees from Yemen and Syria have resettled in the U.S. since Trump’s inauguration.
 

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Easy fix, don't let any of them into the country and return those already here. Problem solved.
 

KeatonsCorner

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How many attacks from refugees from those countries?

Difficulty is not an excuse. Our vetting measures are unmatched, difficult or not

Yet who wasn't on the ban?

Saudi Arabia
Lebanon
Egypt
Pakistan

why? trump has properties there....... even though THOSE are the nations that have supplied individuals who have conducted or attempted to conduct attacks in our country


Rightfully, the courts shot down Bannon's poorly written Muslim Ban twice...
 

WVPATX

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How many attacks from refugees from those countries?

Difficulty is not an excuse. Our vetting measures are unmatched, difficult or not

Yet who wasn't on the ban?

Saudi Arabia
Lebanon
Egypt
Pakistan

why? trump has properties there....... even though THOSE are the nations that have supplied individuals who have conducted or attempted to conduct attacks in our country


Rightfully, the courts shot down Bannon's poorly written Muslim Ban twice...

Obama came up with the list. You can't be this stupid. Oh wait, yes you can. Obama picked those 7 countries because they all have NO FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT, therefore, no way to fully vet the refugees.
 

KeatonsCorner

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And yet.... he did not institute a ban...

Why? Because our vetting measures were unmatched and more than capable of identifying threat

Mike your silly insults only show the desperation in your own argument
 

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How many attacks from refugees from those countries?

Difficulty is not an excuse. Our vetting measures are unmatched, difficult or not

Yet who wasn't on the ban?

Saudi Arabia
Lebanon
Egypt
Pakistan

why? trump has properties there....... even though THOSE are the nations that have supplied individuals who have conducted or attempted to conduct attacks in our country


Rightfully, the courts shot down Bannon's poorly written Muslim Ban twice...
How many attacks from people that we have little to no knowledge of their propensities do we need? One, two, three, or more? Zero is a number.
 

KeatonsCorner

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Zero is the number

Your argument is the very definition of fixing what isn't broken

Why again were countries who have actually produced terrorists on US soil left out of the pathetic Muslim ban?


Why didn't Trump follow up his "see you in court" claim?
 

KeatonsCorner

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Maybe WVPATX would like to explain what he actually knows about how difficult it is for someone from Syria or Yemen to actually gain access to our country.....


That would be entertaining
 

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And yet.... he did not institute a ban...

Why? Because our vetting measures were unmatched and more than capable of identifying threat

Mike your silly insults only show the desperation in your own argument

Who did not institute the ban? Trump most certainly did. The Hawaii and Virginia judges intervened. When it gets to SCOTUS, Trump will prevail. SCOTUS has made this clear in many rulings over the years. The executive has wide latitude on issues of immigration and national security.
 

KeatonsCorner

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Mike you sound like you're about one Breitbart rant from walking into a bar and shooting two Indians because "they don't belong"

White American terrorists have killed more innocent people this WEEK than Syrian or Yemeni or any other country from ban have EVER in the USA


#facts
 

WVPATX

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Mike you sound like you're about one Breitbart rant from walking into a bar and shooting two Indians because "they don't belong"

I have rarely read anyone as stupid as you on this board. You didn't even know the judge's ruling is being appealed. You need to read more.
 

KeatonsCorner

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A self proclaimed Christian, per his Twitter, just stabbed 4 people near you in Austin..... killed one guy


But Muslims?
 

KeatonsCorner

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Destroying your argument, Mike

Trump is 0-2 on bans and 0-1 on "seeing anyone in court"

He doesn't settle, remember? Oh wait
 

WVPATX

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Destroying your argument, Mike

You've already made a fool of yourself. Didn't; even know the ruling has been appealed. LOL.

And apparently you didn't know that Obama came up with the list of 7 countries. Your lack of knowledge is considerable.
 

KeatonsCorner

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You still haven't answered my challenge to describe why our vetting process is inefficient

Do you know what it takes for a refugee to get to America?


I mean..... you "know" a ban is needed. SURELY, you can identify what measures currently undertaken aren't enough


Does Don just need "a young hot shot recruiter?!"
 

WVPATX

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You still haven't answered my challenge to describe why our vetting process is inefficient

Do you know what it takes for a refugee to get to America?


I mean..... you "know" a ban is needed. SURELY, you can identify what measures currently undertaken aren't enough


Does Don just need "a young hot shot recruiter?!"

Comey made his statement on why vetting is so difficult from these countries. You can read, right? The countries have no functioning government. Therefore, we have no databases to access. We have no or very limited access to other screening information available to us when there is a functioning government working with us.

But you didn't; answer my questions about how you did not know about the appeal and how you did not know that Obama came up with the list of 7 countries. You claim that Trump wanted to save his business dealings, but that was clearly not the case.

Do you actually do any reading?
 

KeatonsCorner

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"The countries have no functioning government. Therefore, we have no databases to access. We havenoor very limited access to other screening information available to us when there is a functioning government working with us. "


That is nothing but an assumption made by you. Our country does an amazing job vetting refugees into our country..... what the USA has is InterPol, EUROPOL, and UN investigators working to vet ALL REFUGEE CANDIDATES a full 6 months to a year before they even hit the desks of our own Intelligence Community to then do their OWN investigation..... a process that again takes 6-12 months.

In terms of the Ban, two have failed. The President, upon failing miserably with his first attempt stated "SEE YOU IN COURT"

Instead, he chose to draft another ban..... because going to court was/is the last thing he actually wants to do


It is clear Trump didn't want to save business dealings? Oh really...... the only countries that have produced terror attacks from the Middle East were not present in Trump's failed bans

Why? He has business there. Oh? He now wants to meet with the genocidal Filipino Dictator too? Hmmmm does he have a hotel opening now in Manila? Why yes...... yes he does!


Hmmmm
 
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KeatonsCorner

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The United States has admitted more than 10,000 refugees from Syria alone in recent years


If "we have no data" to vet.............. why no incidents?
 

KeatonsCorner

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Since 9/11, over ONE MILLION refugees have gained admission into the United States of America......

And to date, a crazy white supremacist with a gun in South Carolina has killed NINE TIMES the number of Americans that all of those people have


But Bans, right? FOH
 

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How's this...

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/05/the_five_stages_of_islam.html



May 29, 2011
The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick
Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory Islam to fascist Islam. The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher bracket. The demographics change but the story is the same. First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam. Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities, removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any criticism of Islam results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam. In France which may be over the 10% range, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

Stage 4. Establish Regional Control.

Population density 20% - 50% (Europe 2020?).

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.

Stage 5. Total Control, Brutal Suppression, and Dhimmitude.

Population density > 50%.

Unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels. As Muslim population levels increase and all infidels cower in submission there will peace at last. Dar al-Islam is achieved and everyone lives under Sharia and the Koran is the only word.

Our current Western world leaders are suckered by taqiyya and kitman and steering us into stage 3. Allen West seems to get it but I can't see that any of the crop of current GOP contenders really get it. Fear of bigotry at stage 2 is the Islamists' greatest weapon. Crucified on the cross of bigotry -- is that the future of the Western democracies? Bigotry is only bigotry if it is out of touch with reality and it is the suckers who believe the stage 1-2 peace pitch of Islam who are the ones who are out of touch with reality -- not to mention our mesmerized President. The first GOP candidate who announces to Imam Rauf and his supporters, "Fine. A Mosque at ground zero. But how about a cathedral in Mecca first? It is part of our Christian outreach program of bridge building." will be the first to get it and a big boost in the polls.


Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory Islam to fascist Islam. The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher bracket. The demographics change but the story is the same. First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam. Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities, removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any criticism of Islam results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam. In France which may be over the 10% range, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

Stage 4. Establish Regional Control.

Population density 20% - 50% (Europe 2020?).

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.

Stage 5. Total Control, Brutal Suppression, and Dhimmitude.

Population density > 50%.

Unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels. As Muslim population levels increase and all infidels cower in submission there will peace at last. Dar al-Islam is achieved and everyone lives under Sharia and the Koran is the only word.

Our current Western world leaders are suckered by taqiyya and kitman and steering us into stage 3. Allen West seems to get it but I can't see that any of the crop of current GOP contenders really get it. Fear of bigotry at stage 2 is the Islamists' greatest weapon. Crucified on the cross of bigotry -- is that the future of the Western democracies? Bigotry is only bigotry if it is out of touch with reality and it is the suckers who believe the stage 1-2 peace pitch of Islam who are the ones who are out of touch with reality -- not to mention our mesmerized President. The first GOP candidate who announces to Imam Rauf and his supporters, "Fine. A Mosque at ground zero. But how about a cathedral in Mecca first? It is part of our Christian outreach program of bridge building." will be the first to get it and a big boost in the polls.
 

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How many attacks from refugees from those countries?

Difficulty is not an excuse. Our vetting measures are unmatched, difficult or not

Yet who wasn't on the ban?

Saudi Arabia
Lebanon
Egypt
Pakistan

why? trump has properties there....... even though THOSE are the nations that have supplied individuals who have conducted or attempted to conduct attacks in our country


Rightfully, the courts shot down Bannon's poorly written Muslim Ban twice...
Even if all other parts of your statement are true--which I would not concede--the judge did not base his decision on the law and it will be overturned.