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[longtimefanSS71]

Like most things on here, a lot of things are hearsay. Having said that a friend of mind who has connections with Clemson says Dabo (and I would assume along with the Pres and board) are mulling over going to the SEC or Big 10.

GO CARDS!!!

 

[Knucklehank1]

Like most things on here, a lot of things are hearsay. Having said that a friend of mind who has connections with Clemson says Dabo (and I would assume along with the Pres and board) are mulling over going to the SEC or Big 10.

GO CARDS!!!

FSU, Clemson and Miami are likely to go to SEC. The Grant of Rights is an impediment but lawyers are looking for avenues around that. One thing conference realignment has taught is that contracts are always negotiable.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I have been reading as much as I can on this subject and right now there is a lot out there. The schools everyone keeps mentioning to poach from the ACC are Clemson, FSU, Miami and North Carolina. Like I posted on another thread the bad thing is that we aren’t being mentioned in any of these articles. However the good thing is we aren’t being mentioned in any of these articles. They keep talking about the team that will probably be poached and the teams that are in trouble.
When they talk about teams that are in trouble they mention Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest all from the ACC. Then they mention Vanderbilt, Missouri, Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern, Nebraska schools from the SEC and B1G that could also be in trouble. They also talk about before everything is said and done the SEC and the B1G will eventually end up with 30 teams each. If they expand to 30 teams each I like our chances but how long will that take and can we continue to improve to make ourselves viable?

 

[Thecycle27]

At some point adding more teams will produce diminishing returns. There is no way both Florida schools go to the SEC. Neither will bring in the kind of bump like bringing in Texas and Oklahoma. The already have that market. Florida will kick and scream to add 1 of the 2 they won’t allow both. By bringing in ACC teams ESPN is just moving money around. In the end ESPN may lose the SEC to streaming services that have more money than they do. If the tear the ACC apart what do they have left?

If ND doesn’t jump I don’t Big 10 will keep going.

The thing I think that is getting lost in this is parody will set in. With NIL and transfers the talent will get spread out in a league of 20. There will be a lot of 2-4 loss teams in these super conferences. They actually need someone to suck. Again having a bunch of 2-4 loss teams will impact TV ratings.

 

[2330859]

If Miami and FSU both struggle while competing in the ACC, just how do they think they will ever fare against UGA, Alabama, A&M, OSU, PSU, Michigan, etc?

So Clemson is going to leave the ACC where they have enjoyed a relatively easy path to the National Championship Playoff virtually every year, in exchange for playing the aforementioned SEC and BIG 10 opponents each week?

There are way too many Universities playing College Football who are not going to just sit back and do nothing while they see their programs being left out.

 

[Mayoman]

ACC needs to put the full court press on Amazon. That would be a smart move for both entities.

 

[KozmasAgain]

There plans are to go to the same format as the NFL which will include a lot more teams than what they already have. It will also leave out a lot of teams across the country. The 2 divisions will have their own playoff and then you would have a college Super Bowl. They are also talking about kicking the weaker teams out of each conference to allow teams with better programs. The Big East did this with Temple because they under achieved.

I just don’t understand why FSU, Miami and Va Tech are so attractive right now. They haven’t been relative the past few years. They could end up like Nebraska football or Indiana basketball nothing more than has needs. They also said even though the ACC has the GOR that is no guarantee that some schools would stay put. With the lucrative TV contract they are talking about they could afford to leave and just make yearly payments to the GOR.
Clemson struggled last year and I am really interested to see how they do this year. They lost their long time defensive coordinator and their long time offensive coordinator. Davi has it work cut out for him I wonder if they are going to return to form or if they will continue to slide?

 

[Knucklehank1]

If Miami and FSU both struggle while competing in the ACC, just how do they think they will ever fare against UGA, Alabama, A&M, OSU, PSU, Michigan, etc?

So Clemson is going to leave the ACC where they have enjoyed a relatively easy path to the National Championship Playoff virtually every year, in exchange for playing the aforementioned SEC and BIG 10 opponents each week?

There are way too many Universities playing College Football who are not going to just sit back and do nothing while they see their programs being left out.

It’s all about the money. And frankly the SEC and Big Ten could declare that their champs meet for the title each year. The NCAA doesn’t govern the CFP. TV arrangements and the money that generates is what dictates what occurs.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I agree I don’t see the attraction for teams that can’t produce on the field. If it is all about the viewers just because Rutgers is in a populated area doesn’t mean they are going to draw draw viewers. I have relatives in New York and New Jersey and none of them watch Rutgers in anything.

Both the SEC and the B1G how power teams but they both also have dead weight. FSU, Miami & Va Tech aren’t the programs they used to be. We aren’t either but I hope that is getting ready to change. I read by the time everything is done they will have 2 divisions with 30 teams each. If that is the case we still have time to improve our brand.
I was talking to a friend in Memphis today and he said We are in a lot better shape than they are. They are in a watered down AAC with little sisters of the poor.

 

[billoliver40]

Weird days. Big 10 is going to be 4 mini conferences before long, SEC has already thrown around some of the same thoughts.
It would seem the ACC is more stable. Notre Dame didn't get in the Big 10 mix, and it's current arrangement with the ACC seems to be satisfying for them.


All about TV contracts.

 

[Thecycle27]

I just don’t see why ESPN would want to devalue the ACC. There are going to be other bidders for this property. There is no guarantee they hold onto the SEC. If they don’t get the contract what then? Moving teams around only moves money they gain more with SEC but lose value in ACC. There is tremendous value in the current ACC.

I think they will want to invest and keep the ACC together because it secures there future in college football. By splitting up the ACC their future is singular keep the SEC.

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

There plans are to go to the same format as the NFL which will include a lot more teams than what they already have. It will also leave out a lot of teams across the country. The 2 divisions will have their own playoff and then you would have a college Super Bowl. They are also talking about kicking the weaker teams out of each conference to allow teams with better programs. The Big East did this with Temple because they under achieved...

This WILL happen eventually. The only question is the process and how long it takes.

It's increasingly about money and there's more and more of it if the product is in demand. That money won't be proportionately shared with conference doormats...

 

[glassmanJ]

This WILL happen eventually. The only question is the process and how long it takes.

It's increasingly about money and there's more and more of it if the product is in demand. That money won't be proportionately shared with conference doormats...

simple answer is relegation. said it for years. 96 teams. 8 conf x 2 divs x 6 teams each. each team plays their 5 div opponents + other 6 div teams. that's 11 games. then you get 1 non-conf rivalry game. 16 team playoff. winners of all 16 divisions are re-seeded 1-16 and if you finished second your out of luck, go to a bowl instead. playoffs start thanksgiving weekend. next round is following week. two weeks of for finals and xmas. then new years final four and champ game next week. then relegate worst team in each div every two years with Division II.

 

[Steelers2012_rivals379029]

Some very enlightening info in SI’s recent “Desirability Rankings for all 69 Power 5 Schools”.
Spoiler Alert; we are tied with UCF at #55, and pretty far down in the ACC food chain.
We need to improve in these rankings, and quickly, if we want to be included in any new conference realignments.

https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/power-5-desirability-rankings-sec-big-ten-acc

 

[HiStepper]

Some very enlightening info in SI’s recent “Desirability Rankings for all 69 Power 5 Schools”.
Spoiler Alert; we are tied with UCF at #55, and pretty far down in the ACC food chain.
We need to improve in these rankings, and quickly, if we want to be included in any new conference realignments.

https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/power-5-desirability-rankings-sec-big-ten-acc

The SI article appears to show that Louisville does not have the tradition ( FB rank #53), academics (#65) or fan base (Attendance #44) to be a major desirable addition.

 

[beantowncard]

simple answer is relegation. said it for years. 96 teams. 8 conf x 2 divs x 6 teams each. each team plays their 5 div opponents + other 6 div teams. that's 11 games. then you get 1 non-conf rivalry game. 16 team playoff. winners of all 16 divisions are re-seeded 1-16 and if you finished second your out of luck, go to a bowl instead. playoffs start thanksgiving weekend. next round is following week. two weeks of for finals and xmas. then new years final four and champ game next week. then relegate worst team in each div every two years with Division II.

Extremely bad idea

 

[glassmanJ]

Extremely bad idea

why? european soccer relegation is awesome. and at least 30 schools should not even be in div 1. and under the way it's going now costs for all sports are going to go thru the roof. my way everything stays local, parents and fans can more easily travel, rivalries are renewed, less overhead means more profit. otherwise we are heading towards a football conference, then all non rev sports will form their own as they cannot afford to travel. big 10 schools traveling to SoCal to play soccer, women's field hockey, ice hockey, gymnastics, track and field, baseball, etc etc is a waste of money, time, resources and creates tons of more pollutions and mroe strain on resources. gas prices will continue to go up as mroe is needed for all the extra upcoming travel. think about that, how many more millions of gallons of fuel, priced based on demand, will be needed to travel within superconferences? but if we go back to simpler things, make everything local it'll be be. But create localized natural rivalries instead of this BS of having to travel 800 miles. make it all regional again. go back to basics. and if the bball side can sell march madness for a billion a year, they should work together and sell national tv rights, not conference ones. like nfl sell parts of football package and have all competitors bid and payouts will be even bigger. all about the money and i've jsut shown how to make even more.

 

[beantowncard]

Because once relegated, there will be no way back. It will be impossible to recruit at a “division 2” program. Impossible to keep coaches, maintain support. It is almost certain that UofL would be relegated. After 40 years of struggle, investment, growth, finally to get to a P5 league and be told to go back to CUSA? Rivalries wouldn’t necessarily be rekindled. Do you honestly believe a UCLA team goes 3-8 (not at all impossible) and agrees to go down to the MAC, with road games in Dekalb and Muncie? Really?

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

Some very enlightening info in SI’s recent “Desirability Rankings for all 69 Power 5 Schools”.
Spoiler Alert; we are tied with UCF at #55, and pretty far down in the ACC food chain.
We need to improve in these rankings, and quickly, if we want to be included in any new conference realignments.

https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/power-5-desirability-rankings-sec-big-ten-acc

The academics and football attendance criteria are of minimal to no importance, and the all sports category should be weighted much smaller than football performance and viewership IMO.

It would be interesting to know how our media attractiveness has declined with our performance. Where we have fallen way down is the most important of those five categories, performance in football. Accepting SI's rank of 53 the last five years, that compares with a five-year average ranking of 28 for the five years prior (2012-2016).

We're a P5 lightweight in football that needs to improve and, to your point, fast!