It's hard to watch and I know we all like to point the finger at someone when something happens but I think in this case it was just a case of unfortunate events that lead to the shooting.
Cop shoots man inside his own home
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I’ll ask this question again. Why in the hell would anyone in their right mind want to be a cop?
1. The pay sucks.
2. The hours suck. (Nights, weekends, holidays)
3. Risking your life on a daily basis.
4. You’re second guessed despite having to make split second decisions.
5. If you make what ultimately becomes a questionable decision, and a black person is involved, then you can kiss your *** goodbye for the rest of your life.
1. The pay sucks.
2. The hours suck. (Nights, weekends, holidays)
3. Risking your life on a daily basis.
4. You’re second guessed despite having to make split second decisions.
5. If you make what ultimately becomes a questionable decision, and a black person is involved, then you can kiss your *** goodbye for the rest of your life.
Well, a lot of people screwed up there.
You have to wonder if someone was playing a cruel prank. The guy said he has no alarm. So either this alarm company f'd up royally, or that call was not from an alarm company.
Did the "mfer" not knock or ring the doorbell?
You have to wonder if someone was playing a cruel prank. The guy said he has no alarm. So either this alarm company f'd up royally, or that call was not from an alarm company.
Did the "mfer" not knock or ring the doorbell?
Hard to watch. I honestly don’t blame anyone involved and completely understandable how the entire thing unfolded. Just really really bad luck.
The home owner showed poor judgment, the cop rang the doorbell and had a flashlight. What kind of burglary goes down like that? If he really thought it was a criminal then he should have stayed away from the door and called the police. Then shoot the criminal if he breaks in, my opinion is he wanted to brandish his gun to be a bad *** and it backfired.
I'm packing my gun with me if someone rings my doorbell at midnight. Often times thieves ring the doorbell to see if anyone is home before trying to break in or make some lame *** excuse like I ran out of gas can I use your phone, etc. to gain entrance.
Why go up to the door with glass only to point the gun but not shoot? Stay away from the door if you think it’s a break in. Nothing wrong with packing a gun but you can yell who is it, this guy didn’t say anything and pointed his gun to an unknown.
If it would have been a break in they could have shot him too. He just wanted to intimidate or scare by pulling his gun on somebody and it backfired. The homeowner made all the wrong choices here, he had several better options and took none of them.
Common sense would have been for the cop to call the house, give him a police number to call back and confirm, then tell him to come out on the porch with his hands visible to straighten it out. If a burglar was inside he's not going to answer the phone, he's probably going to haul *** right into the cop's field of coverage with all the advantages with the cop.
You have to watch the full video. The cell phone that placed the alert was called by the alarm company and police dispatchers but no one answered. The cop also rang the doorbell and done a perimeter search before the video started.
Times have changed. Not everyone has a landline nowadays. FWIW I think it was actually a medical alarm app that the homeowners mother in law had accidentally set off on her phone.
They didn't know who lived there, they were responding to an emergency call. How in the world would they have her cell number? They made calls to the number that sent the panic attack and it in fact came from inside that house. I can understand how they could think whoever was walking around inside could very well be the person that caused the alarm, especially when he saw the guy had a gun.
The only think that is unanswered in that video is who exactly sent that panic alarm and why. Also, why didn't they answer the phone after multiple calls??
The home owner can do whatever he wants, carry that gun right up to the door, walk outside with it if he wants. It's his house. He did nothing wrong as far as what the video shows us.
The cops camera had no sound until after the shots were fired. I would like to question whether or not he identified himself as police when he rang the doorbell.
You don’t have a right to point a gun at someone, I don’t care where you are. He pointed the gun and never once asked who is it, that’s what you do when someone rings the doorbell. When’s the last time you pointed a gun at somebody who rang your doorbell at night? No asking who it was just pointed the gun at them? The homeowner set the stage and I suspect he was in full billy the kid mode, probably just finished watching lethal weapon for the 800th time.
So you think it would have been poor form to say who is it when the doorbell was rung or to call the cops if you thought it was a break in? Are you under the impression that going to the door and silently pointing the gun at someone was the best course of action?
We don’t know if owner pointed the gun. The door was not open.
We also don’t know what happened before the body cam came on.
The cop stated the homeowner opened the front door and aimed down on him. Then the video was released. He knew he was in the wrong.
We also don’t know what happened before the body cam came on.
The cop stated the homeowner opened the front door and aimed down on him. Then the video was released. He knew he was in the wrong.
He pointed the gun at him through the window that’s part of the door, the homeowner should have said something. Would you have said who is it or stayed back with your gun while calling the police? Or would you go to the door and brandish your gun? One of these actions is least likely to get you shot and what normal people do.
What ever happened to intent, capability and opportunity training for law enforcement? Just curious if they still teach this in the police academy? It seems to me a lot of these police shootings could be minimized if all three of these are present prior to using deadly force. This guy is in his own house for crying out loud. Admittedly, in this situation the law enforcement official had to make a split second decision but it was the wrong one. Hate if for him and the victim.
He had the gun "in case" it was someone bad. You don't call the police just because someone rang your doorbell. You're forgetting he was just woke up and probably half asleep. Yes he has every right to have the gun and point it any direction he damn well pleases in his house. You're trying to argue that person doesn't have the right to protect themselves.The cop did not do the right thing by shooting him so that doesn't prove the homeowner wrong or the cop right. It was a confusion on everyone's part.
He also did not point the gun at anyone, he was behind a door. The cop could see because he outside and had the background lights from inside the house.
Like I said above, I would really like to know if the officer identified himself before just blasting the guy.
If I’m awaken at midnight by my door bell or someone knocking at my door the first thing I’m doing is grabbing my gun. If I see the person on my porch pointing a gun at my door I’m likely shooting and I feel I would be within my rights to do so.
When someone has a gun pointed at you inside your House it’s not your place to guess who it might be. At that point you have to protect yourself and your family.
Unfortunate event that could have been avoided by the cop
When someone has a gun pointed at you inside your House it’s not your place to guess who it might be. At that point you have to protect yourself and your family.
Unfortunate event that could have been avoided by the cop
1. You don’t know that
2. The window is not a door....the owner didn’t fling open that “window” and run out pointing a gun
3. I would do whatever I damn well pleased in my home.
The cop f’d up, and he knew it, his department knew it. That’s why they said “the owner jerked open the door and ran out pointing a pistol”. Now, video is out and they’re saying it was a “misunderstanding” and releasing whatever the hell that video was posted up there...some script bs that doesn’t prove anything other than that cop shot a guy standing in his foyer.
If so, we didn’t hear it in that video....till after he shot.
Wouldn’t a cop have his lights on, or not? That would be a pretty good signal the homeowner would have definitely seen.
No. Things like this cops usually do not run lights or siren to the accident. Since most are false alarms AND if a bad person is there/around it doesn't give them a heads up to escape/hide.
It seems the home owner was no danger to the deputy and probably could not see him through the small door window with the inside lights on. The deputy could not have known who it was home owner or whomever but chose to fire through the door before any attempt to further evaluate the situation. Cop was wrong, very scary.
I can walk around inside my house with a gun all I want. A cop cannot shoot me through a door. The policeman needs to do some time. We can't live in a country where the police can walk up to your door and shoot you through it.
That’s not an admission of guilt by the police department, everybody does that now to protect themselves legally. The guy got shot and will sue, they’ll settle. The police are just presenting their case in public but if it went to court the home owners actions would be attacked as reckless. Doesn’t matter if he’s in his house or not, he still put himself in danger with no dialogue, calling 911, walking up to the door with a gun and pointing it.
I don’t think the owner is innocent, I think his actions are the most to blame. The cops didn’t show up randomly, somebody activated the app and subsequently didn’t answer two phone calls that probably had messages left. Didn’t notice a reflective patrol car emblem that was likely out front, considered a doorbell ring as hostile but walked up to it and point his gun at the supposed perpetrator. Choosing not to call 911, not to ask who is it, not to turn the front porch light on, not to stay back from the door until you could verify via 911 or shoot them when they tried to break the door in.
I think this cowboy wanted to see what this app he’s paying for can do and hits the button, wants to look like a billy bad A and brandishes his gun to what he knows is a first response and got shot because he willfully ignored every action thinking it’s a freebie. He’s not asleep or groggy and however you see it I think it’s a good lesson on not what to do for everyone in this thread liking the homeowners actions.
I think this cowboy wanted to see what this app he’s paying for can do and hits the button, wants to look like a billy bad A and brandishes his gun to what he knows is a first response and got shot because he willfully ignored every action thinking it’s a freebie. He’s not asleep or groggy and however you see it I think it’s a good lesson on not what to do for everyone in this thread liking the homeowners actions.
I thought about that too, we would have seen his lights if he had them one since it was dark and so would the home owner. That would have changed everything.
How convenient is that his body cam didn't start recording until after it all went down?
Yeah, because a person intending to burglarize a home would never, ever lie, flash a fake badge, etc... Criminals are honest like that.
I guess you missed the part to call 911 to verify it was a cop, nowhere did I post that he should welcome them. But finding out it was a sheriff likely would have prevented the owner from going to the door and pointing it. What I’ve suggested in this thread is reasonable and what anyone should do. Am I the only person who thinks asking who it is would be a good idea?
If you see a gun pointed in your window at midnight are you asking who it is? If you would then you would be dead and the cop can make up whatever narrative he wants
I did not, in fact, miss that part.
Bottom line: You feel the cop was completely justified firing shots in the homeowner's house, correct?
The cop didn’t point the gun until after he used his flashlight and the owner pointed his gun at the cop, then he shot him. I think everything I’ve posted illustrates the owner missed every single opportunity and chose to do the one thing that would escalate a confusing situation. I would have looked out a window not at the front door to see who it was as, probably noticing a cop car.
Other things I would have done is turn the porch light on to limit their visibility, called 911, answered my phone, asked who it was. There’s any number of things the owner could have done yet he managed to do none of them, at some point it stops being coincidence and willful ignorance. I get there’s a anti police vibe in this thread that’s willfully ignoring the owners culpability in this accident. Apparently everybody just goes to the door and points a gun because doing any of the things I mentioned is unreasonable.
That’s your side, I shouldn’t have to argue for you. Besides it’s like dodge ball with the questions.
Dayum, dude. What did that poor guy ever do to you?