Cormac Ryan in transfer portal
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Absolutely. I think you take quality players when you can get them. He still projects to be a good college player. He didn't shoot well last year but had his moments. I am guessing there will be lots of competition for him. His brother goes to Yale.
Ryan was the first pick for PG ahead of Jordan Lathon. Getting him would be very interesting. If he had to sit out a year, that would be problematic, but he would definitely be additive to the team
I’m curious, what do you mean by that? The school/classes just weren’t a good fit? Which way does him not liking Stanford cut for us?
Absolutely certain that staff is already pursuing him unless there is some non-public reason that they shouldn't of which they are aware. In fact the very reason that he is entering the portal is that he is already headed our way. Remember he was 100% crystal balled for us back when he was recruited so Stanford was a suprise to the so-called "experts".
Though an alternative take is that he just wants to be closer to home, which would probably rule us out (thinking St. John's with their new staff, maybe?-- total conjecture on my part, though). We'll see...
Though an alternative take is that he just wants to be closer to home, which would probably rule us out (thinking St. John's with their new staff, maybe?-- total conjecture on my part, though). We'll see...
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There are kids entering the portal each week for reasons that have nothing to do with academics (e.g. ongoing coaching changes) so yeah, that comment seems to be out of left field.
If a kid has a problem with the program, he goes to his end-of-year meeting with the staff in March or April, and they agree to part company and make it public within the span of a few weeks. It gives the kid time to consider all his options and make his decision in the flow of the 600+-player transfer market (800+ this year) and late recruits. In April and May, a good player like Ryan has plenty of options, plenty of available roster spots and the time to consider all of it.
To make a decision this late indicates to me the possibility of something else besides strictly a basketball decision - ESPECIALLY during the last week of class. Maybe he blew off too many classes? Maybe he took a few too many difficult classes? It happens with freshmen.
What else has happened since the end of season that's different in his basketball world? Same performance. Same outcome. Same coach. It has to be something besides basketball.
Of course, it could be 29 other things also.
It's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
St. John’s? No way. Commuter school that couldn’t be more opposite than a place like Milton or Stanford. Academics are very low priority at SJU.
Every kid is different. My boy chose his first school primarily because of sports and decided mid-Summer to not return because he didn't like the school part of the equation.
I actually think making the announcement end of semester makes a lot of sense academically. He chose to not disrupt his studies, get it done and then look for another school. Good for him.
Seems to be some smoke at Stanford with this and last year with the grad transfer choosing to go to Kentucky.
Interesting take on the timing. I don't follow Stanford, any chance he was recruited over? I've always thought that they were a sleeping giant in college basketball and had the potential to become another Duke.
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I spent almost no time looking into this, but did quickly review a pertinent thread on a Stanford hoops board. The posters there were fretting about this as further evidence that the coach had lost the team last season. Apparently, there was a ton of dissension during the season, even within the parent group. I think Ryan is the third player they have lost recently. That information would not suggest a non-hoops reason for the transfer.
That's good news for us I think. If it were an academic reason then he may not like winding up at another small private school. Who is the last transfer that we've gotten that passed on us in their original recruitment? None come to mind, but would love for him to be the first.
Ha! Fair enough. I meant in basketball. Although I also think Zak Kustok was another QB as well.
Unless there's some unknown excuse that can get him a waiver, if he did sign on, he would have to sit out a year right? Still would be a nice addition, but just curious as it relates to an imminent hole in our roster for next season.
With three open slots going into next year, we might as well use another one for a transfer
Doesn’t matter IMO. Ryan was viewed by CCC as the natural successor to BMac, even before Lathon. You bring him in, 100%, assuming nothing has changed in that assessment.
A lot easier to stomach a down season if we know Chase and Cormac will be available in 2020-21.
Yea, he is definitely a sit one, play three player unless there is grounds for appeal (unlikely)
the only issue is the class size if you take ryan.
same class
cormac - rs soph
ryan young - rs soph
audige - rs soph
boo - soph
jones - soph
beran - soph
thats a huge class and difficult roster management unless you are counting on guys leaving
same class
cormac - rs soph
ryan young - rs soph
audige - rs soph
boo - soph
jones - soph
beran - soph
thats a huge class and difficult roster management unless you are counting on guys leaving
I agree it’s not ideal, but you can’t pass on a “best available” type of guy just because he’s the wrong year, especially with the small pool of freshmen CCC is able to offer given the strict admissions standards. Cormac was literally Plan A in the not-too-distant past.
I hate to say it, but these days, I think every program has a good chance of some attrition over the course of a 4-5 year cycle...even if you’re not necessarily counting on it, nobody is immune from it.
I watched zero minutes of Stanford ball last season. So I went to the stats, and he doesn't exactly leap off the page:
Played 24 games, started 17. Injured part of the year?
8.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg
33% FG, 32% from 3
1.9 assists/game, 1.6 TO's
Battled some injuries and just went through the usual freshman challenges. He will not be a world-beater, but he's still a good prospect. I would expect that shooting percentage to climb with a healthy season and consistent minutes. The biggest thing will be if he can create off the dribble the way he did in high school and his defense. He has good size and as you can see, will rebound from the guard spot.
Freshmen are especially inconsistent, and a better approach is probably to look at their most productive games as a guide for potential. Taking the most productive 10 games, he averaged 14.4 points. Note that some of these games were against pretty good to excellent teams: North Carolina, Florida, Kansas, UCLA, USC.
Almost all his scoring was from distance, where he shot 51% during these games. Outstanding, though his other stats in these games don't suggest someone who's getting to the rim: only two 2-point FG attempts per game, 2.2 assists a game, only 1 FT attempt/game. (Disclaimer: I didn't watch any games--maybe he's driving and kicking out for 3s that aren't converted. I also don't know whether that was being asked of him.)
So even though I'd be happy to get him as a shooter, the numbers don't suggest he would fill a serious shortcoming at guard, that of someone who can get to the rim, draw help coverage and convert, get free throws or kick out for an open catch-and-shoot 3. Again, maybe that wasn't his role at Stanford, and that's possibly for reasons unrelated to abilities, and I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.
The problem is that NU rarely gets guards like the type you describe. McIntosh was able to get in the lane because he has areally strong dribble with his off-hand and he developed that teardrop shot very well. Ryan is a bigger version and I think he will ultimately be a better three-point shooter than McIntosh. I think it would be a mistake not to pursue Ryan.
I completely agree. Ryan’s shooting stroke is significantly better than BMac’s ever was, even after attending Steph Curry’s camp. He and Kopp both have the mechanics to be sharpshooters.
Also: BMac shot 30.7% from 3 in the tournament season! That’s really bad!
Ugh, I can already feel myself getting excited about having him on the team. I did the same for Charlie Moore. I hope this works out.