Could JCA Go Winless?

[Secondo1]

Still on the schedule---Pat's, Naz, Marist, Benet, ND, MCC, Marian.

At 0-2, with the upcoming schedule, the playoffs are gone, and they still have 4 more road games!

Tough schedule, young team, and they won't give up. They will get better, but still may not win a game?? Has that ever happened in it's football history??

Thoughts?

 

[Prep writer]

You honestly think JCA could lose to Marian Catholic? Come on. I'll give you 1-8.

 

[godfthr53]

No

 

[USD24]

Still on the schedule---Pat's, Naz, Marist, Benet, ND, MCC, Marian.

At 0-2, with the upcoming schedule, the playoffs are gone, and they still have 4 more road games!

Tough schedule, young team, and they won't give up. They will get better, but still may not win a game?? Has that ever happened in it's football history??

Thoughts?

I think 2-7 or 3-6 is realistic. I don't know if they have ever gone winless in a season. I don't think they have had a team under .500 since the mid 1950's.

 

[pjjp]

As I look at their remaining schedule, the only game I'd say they are clearly favored is against Marian Catholic. MCC hasn't played anyone yet, so that one is a tough call. But, the game is in Woodstock, so at this point one would have to favor MCC. They are clearly underdogs against Pat's, ND, Benet, Naz and Marist.

 

[Secondo1]

As I look at their remaining schedule, the only game I'd say they are clearly favored is against Marian Catholic. MCC hasn't played anyone yet, so that one is a tough call. But, the game is in Woodstock, so at this point one would have to favor MCC. They are clearly underdogs against Pat's, ND, Benet, Naz and Marist.

No game is a certainty this year, even Marian...and with Verde installing his program, they are improving.

I think this is just one of those odd years, that never happens to JCA, where it is a true re-build and not a re-load.

 

[mc140]

No game is a certainty this year, even Marian...and with Verde installing his program, they are improving.

I think this is just one of those odd years, that never happens to JCA, where it is a true re-build and not a re-load.

Verde is at Evergreen Park now. Marian just got blasted by Yorkville. JCA will running clock that team.

 

[jobare56]

Carmel is pretty weak and Marian Catholic is still struggling. The JCA defense is actually respectable but defending short fields and spending too much time on the field is killing them. I'm hopeful the offensive line can learn to play so they can help the rbs and qb stay healthy. The backs have to break two tackles to get to the line of scrimmage. The quarterback doesn't stand a chance right now.

 

[USD24]

Carmel is pretty weak and Marian Catholic is still struggling. The JCA defense is actually respectable but defending short fields and spending too much time on the field is killing them. I'm hopeful the offensive line can learn to play so they can help the rbs and qb stay healthy. The backs have to break two tackles to get to the line of scrimmage. The quarterback doesn't stand a chance right now.

JCA doesn't play Carmel this year.

 

[pjjp]

Carmel is pretty weak and Marian Catholic is still struggling. The JCA defense is actually respectable but defending short fields and spending too much time on the field is killing them. I'm hopeful the offensive line can learn to play so they can help the rbs and qb stay healthy. The backs have to break two tackles to get to the line of scrimmage. The quarterback doesn't stand a chance right now.

There is a dearth of linemen in the Jr. and Sr. class. I believe they started 3 sophs. on the O-line and another soph. at TE on Friday. Those young linemen will need to improve for them to have any success, as you suggest. I didn't see any tweaking of the offense to fit the personnel in the first two games.

 

[MR. "T"]

In my opinion this would be the year for JCA to change the offence.

 

[jwarigaku]

PJJP,

Are you saying that the offense at JCA may need to be "Tweaked"?

Did Hell just freeze over?

There is a dearth of linemen in the Jr. and Sr. class. I believe they started 3 sophs. on the O-line and another soph. at TE on Friday. Those young linemen will need to improve for them to have any success, as you suggest. I didn't see any tweaking of the offense to fit the personnel in the first two games.

 

[pjjp]

PJJP,

Are you saying that the offense at JCA may need to be "Tweaked"?

Did Hell just freeze over?

If you recall, my issue was an opposing coach after a win questioning their scheme. It had less to do with the content of the question and more to do with the timing and source.

Do we really want to re-hash all that?

 

[godfthr53]

If you recall, my issue was an opposing coach after a win questioning their scheme. It had less to do with the content of the question and more to do with the timing and source.

Do we really want to re-hash all that?

The problem was that he wasn't a coach on the staff at the time.

 

[illini14]

2-3 wins.

 

[pjjp]

The problem was that he wasn't a coach on the staff at the time.

Got it. I'm moving on.

 

[godfthr53]

They will somehow get to 4

 

[Goomlah]

If ND beats JCA fully healthy hell has frozen over,...

 

[Cross Bones]

Cant lie I thought JCA would make the playoffs, but I had them winning weeks 1 & 2...

 

[Penlight]

As their two opponents are a combined 4-1, I am not ready to throw in the towel.
I agree with jobare56 that the Defense is is pretty sound, just on the field too much in weeks 1 & 2.

 

[Topiarydan1]

3-6

 

[JCHillmen]

As their two opponents are a combined 4-1, I am not ready to throw in the towel.
I agree with jobare56 that the Defense is is pretty sound, just on the field too much in weeks 1 & 2.

I still see anywhere from 3-5 wins on the schedule. Most likely 4. The next two weeks are crucial. Going 0-2 or 1-1 leaves a big hill to climb. Going 2-0 is probably the only way to find five wins. Realistically, probably have to beat MCC also, so really a three game winning streak is the only way this team makes the playoffs. Tall task for a young bunch.

Agree with what was said about the defense being talented. Anyone in the know have any idea on RB/FB Butler. Is he injured? Also, I see a big junior lineman over 300 lbs. on the roster named Waters. Is he a transfer having to sit a year? Still see this group being decent in 2017 and 2018 and if Naz, Montini, and SHG are all 6A in those years, decent could be good enough to make a run in 5A. This year is all about growth.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

Montini is at a minimum 6A next year again by virtue of winning it last year. Even if they lost in first round. SHG will be 5A in '17 if they do not at least make the 6A final this year.

 

[jwarigaku]

Penlight,

Let's hear about the Toppers defense when they play a team that plays with tempo and has a dynamic running and passing game. When JCA is good Illinois football is at its best!

As their two opponents are a combined 4-1, I am not ready to throw in the towel.
I agree with jobare56 that the Defense is is pretty sound, just on the field too much in weeks 1 & 2.

 

[USD24]

I still see anywhere from 3-5 wins on the schedule. Most likely 4. The next two weeks are crucial. Going 0-2 or 1-1 leaves a big hill to climb. Going 2-0 is probably the only way to find five wins. Realistically, probably have to beat MCC also, so really a three game winning streak is the only way this team makes the playoffs. Tall task for a young bunch.

Agree with what was said about the defense being talented. Anyone in the know have any idea on RB/FB Butler. Is he injured? Also, I see a big junior lineman over 300 lbs. on the roster named Waters. Is he a transfer having to sit a year? Still see this group being decent in 2017 and 2018 and if Naz, Montini, and SHG are all 6A in those years, decent could be good enough to make a run in 5A. This year is all about growth.

Butler injured. Out at least one more week. Really hurt the punting game.

 

[Secondo1]

JCA offensive scheme will never change under the long-time current regime. And actually, that is ok, IF they use the correct type of QB for that scheme. That is a QB that can run. JCA has proven they cannot successfully develop a passing QB, no matter whom he may be. So, quit trying to and go back to the Sopko, Bourg, McKeon type QB's who are excellent athletes and leaders! They are the 4th back and can option the heck out of things. Then rely on the Jaws defense to get you a TO or two.

 

[Cat Box]

Penlight,

Let's hear about the Toppers defense when they play a team that plays with tempo and has a dynamic running and passing game. When JCA is good Illinois football is at its best!

One school in Joliet is not the barometer for the state-wide quality of football.

 

[USD24]

One school in Joliet is not the barometer for the state-wide quality of football.

I don't think that is what jwar is suggesting.

 

[jwarigaku]

USD,

Not that it's is a barometer but rather lends credibility because of its storied program outside of Illinois. Thank you for understanding my point.

I don't think that is what jwar is suggesting.

 

[GMAN81]

J-War I get your point completely.

Not trying to compare talent. But there are folks who say college football is better when Notre Dame is good.

There are people who say NFL football is better when the Cowboys, Packers, Bears and Giants are good.

People say baseball is better when the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs and Dodgers are good.

And there are people who say hockey is better when the Hawks, Canadiens, Bruins, Rangers and Wings are good too.

Your post, from a high school level, makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Cat Box]

J-War I get your point completely.

Not trying to compare talent. But there are folks who say college football is better when Notre Dame is good.

There are people who say NFL football is better when the Cowboys, Packers, Bears and Giants are good.

People say baseball is better when the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs and Dodgers are good.

And there are people who say hockey is better when the Hawks, Canadiens, Bruins, Rangers and Wings are good too.

Your post, from a high school level, makes perfect sense to me.

J-War I get your point completely.

Not trying to compare talent. But there are folks who say college football is better when Notre Dame is good.

There are people who say NFL football is better when the Cowboys, Packers, Bears and Giants are good.

People say baseball is better when the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs and Dodgers are good.

And there are people who say hockey is better when the Hawks, Canadiens, Bruins, Rangers and Wings are good too.

Your post, from a high school level, makes perfect sense to me.

All of your examples above are good and accurate because college football, NFL, MLB and Hockey (to a lesser degree) are driven by TV exposure and are large fan base teams.

I now know what J-War was trying to say - just don't agree. Driscoll had a storied program (albeit not as long standing as JCA). We still talk about their 7-consecutive state championships. Driscoll has been closed since 2009 and high school football in Illinois isn't any less great because of it.

 

[Cross Bones]

I think IL hs football is better when we're putting running clocks on people.

 

[jwarigaku]

Cat,

It's not a comparison. When I came to Illinois after being born in PA, and living in other Football states like Texas, California, Florida, etc... I knew who JCA was. You can't say that about a lot of teams in Illinois.

All of your examples above are good and accurate because college football, NFL, MLB and Hockey (to a lesser degree) are driven by TV exposure and are large fan base teams.

I now know what J-War was trying to say - just don't agree. Driscoll had a storied program (albeit not as long standing as JCA). We still talk about their 7-consecutive state championships. Driscoll has been closed since 2009 and high school football in Illinois isn't any less great because of it.

 

[USD24]

All of your examples above are good and accurate because college football, NFL, MLB and Hockey (to a lesser degree) are driven by TV exposure and are large fan base teams.

I now know what J-War was trying to say - just don't agree. Driscoll had a storied program (albeit not as long standing as JCA). We still talk about their 7-consecutive state championships. Driscoll has been closed since 2009 and high school football in Illinois isn't any less great because of it.

I disagree. I think illinois high school football is worse off with the closing of Driscoll. The loss of a great program is a bad thing for high school football as a whole

 

[mc140]

I disagree. I think illinois high school football is worse off with the closing of Driscoll. The loss of a great program is a bad thing for high school football as a whole

I don't think it made much of a difference. Driscoll closed and Montini took its place.

 

[SUNDOWN]

I think 2-7 or 3-6 is realistic. I don't know if they have ever gone winless in a season. I don't think they have had a team under .500 since the mid 1950's.

In Gordie Gillespie's first season as head coach Joliet Catholic went 2-6-1. The year was 1959. They still managed to beat Joliet Township the first game of that season 7-0.

Joliet Catholic went winless most recently in 1947. Coach Stan Sosnouski almost led his squad to one win that year in week 5. But Chicago (St. Elizabeth) came away with a 20-19 victory.

There were a few other winless seasons before that, but nobody cares.

This years team is NOT going winless.

It was posted on this board before the season that Joliet Catholic was ranked 24th by Max Preps. Max Preps blows.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

I don't think it made much of a difference. Driscoll closed and Montini took its place.

Driscoll and Montini both were good. Montini did get a few students from the Addison Driscoll area but I really don't see many students coming over from Addison much anymore. They must go to Lake Park, Addison Trail or Glenbard North. So I think Illinois football took a big hit when Driscoll closed.

Wassup

 

[illini14]

And the coach went to NAZ and has them rolling now....

 

[DeanOfSelection]

When u run the offense that JC, MC run you need a great offensive line. Otherwise it doesn't work and can be painful to watch. Look at MC last year. I will say 2-7 for JC this year with wins over the Marians.

 

[mc140]

Driscoll and Montini both were good. Montini did get a few students from the Addison Driscoll area but I really don't see many students coming over from Addison much anymore. They must go to Lake Park, Addison Trail or Glenbard North. So I think Illinois football took a big hit when Driscoll closed.

Wassup

Driscoll Closed after the 08 season. Montini won once before they closed and have 5 titles and 2 runner ups in the seven years since that happened. Even if not one kid who currently goes to Montini went to Driscoll, the point still stands. If one dominant school closes or fades away, another will take its place.