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sambowieshin said:
That was my point. You can't acquire immunity if you are dead.
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I will leave this here for you and James Lee. See what holes you can call out when it comes to one of the guys that invented mRNA calling out these vaccines as harmful and also talking about the potential for natural immunity to be 20x more protective than the current vaccines. I guess he is lying about it right?
 
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I will leave this here for you and James Lee. See what holes you can call out when it comes to one of the guys that invented mRNA calling out these vaccines as harmful and also talking about the potential for natural immunity to be 20x more protective than the current vaccines. I guess he is lying about it right?
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8 titties, I've been down this road with these tin foil hat liberals about Malone. Liberals now say he isn't credible when he started to critique the mRNA method.

They are insane
 
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Go forth bravely and show by the power of your breathing that you are not afraid. Do it loudly in the most crowded shopping malls and street corners you can find. Please do...

 
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The same climate change that was going to flood the coast lines 20 years ago? The same one where Antartica and the north pole would thaw out by 2010? Yeah boy.
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I will leave this here for you and James Lee. See what holes you can call out when it comes to one of the guys that invented mRNA calling out these vaccines as harmful and also talking about the potential for natural immunity to be 20x more protective than the current vaccines. I guess he is lying about it right?
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So you are comfortable ignoring the medical advice of literally thousands of doctors, scientists and healthcare professionals all across the globe because 1 dude falsely claims to be the inventor of this vaccine and has had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the clinical trials of this vaccine safety???? Ok.
 
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I will leave this here for you and James Lee. See what holes you can call out when it comes to one of the guys that invented mRNA calling out these vaccines as harmful and also talking about the potential for natural immunity to be 20x more protective than the current vaccines. I guess he is lying about it right?
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Hope you survive long enough to see what the right-wing media is feeding you.
 
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Hope you survive long enough to see what the right-wing media is feeding you.
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8 titties, case in point. Mr Jameslee, tin foil hat left wing conspiracy theorist.

Dr Malone is now discredited but before he was criticized, he was highly renowned. But now the left wing crazies have come for Dr Malone because he dared to speak out against the poison shots
 
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The Coronavirus Attacks Fat Tissue, Scientists Find​

The research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at higher risk of severe illness and death from Covid.

Dec. 8, 2021

From the start of the pandemic, the coronavirus seemed to target people carrying extra pounds. Patients who were overweight or obese were more likely to develop severe Covid-19 and more likely to die.
Though these patients often have health conditions like diabetes that compound their risk, scientists have become increasingly convinced that their vulnerability has something to do with obesity itself.
Now researchers have found that the coronavirus infects both fat cells and certain immune cells within body fat, prompting a damaging defensive response in the body.
“The bottom line is, ‘Oh my god, indeed, the virus can infect fat cells directly,’” said Dr. Philipp Scherer, a scientist who studies fat cells at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, who was not involved in the research.
“Whatever happens in fat doesn’t stay in fat,” he added. “It affects the neighboring tissues as well.”
The research has not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal, but it was posted online in October. If the findings hold up, they may shed light not just on why patients with excess pounds are vulnerable to the virus, but also on why certain younger adults with no other risks become so ill.
The study’s senior authors, Dr. Tracey McLaughlin and Dr. Catherine Blish of the Stanford University School of Medicine, suggested the evidence could point to new Covid treatments that target body fat.
“Maybe that’s the Achilles’ heel that the virus utilizes to evade our protective immune responses — by hiding in this place,” Dr. Vishwa Deep Dixit, a professor of comparative medicine and immunology at Yale School of Medicine, said.
The finding is particularly relevant to the United States, which has one of the highest rates of obesity in the world. Most American adults are overweight, and 42 percent have obesity. Black, Hispanic, Native American and Alaska Native people in the U.S. have higher obesity rates than white adults and Asian Americans; they have also been disproportionately affected by the pandemic, with death rates roughly double those of white Americans.
“This could well be contributing to severe disease,” Dr. Blish said. “We’re seeing the same inflammatory cytokines that I see in the blood of the really sick patients being produced in response to infection of those tissues.”
Body fat used to be thought of as inert, a form of storage. But scientists now know that the tissue is biologically active, producing hormones and immune-system proteins that act on other cells, promoting a state of nagging low-grade inflammation even when there is no infection.
Inflammation is the body’s response to an invader, and sometimes it can be so vigorous that it is more harmful than the infection that triggered it. “The more fat mass, and in particular visceral fat mass, the worse your inflammatory response,” Dr. McLaughlin said, referring to the abdominal fat that surrounds internal organs.
Fat tissue is composed mostly of fat cells, or adipocytes. It also contains pre-adipocytes, which mature into fat cells, and a variety of immune cells, including a type called adipose tissue macrophages.
Dr. McLaughlin, Dr. Blish and their colleagues carried out experiments to see if fat tissue obtained from bariatric surgery patients could become infected with the coronavirus, and tracked how various types of cells responded.
The fat cells themselves could become infected, the scientists found, yet did not become very inflamed. But certain immune cells called macrophages also could be infected, and they developed a robust inflammatory response.
Even stranger, the pre-adipocytes were not infected, but contributed to the inflammatory response. (The scientists did not examine whether particular variants were more destructive in this regard than others.)
The research team also obtained fat tissue from the bodies of European patients who had died of Covid and discovered the coronavirus in fat near various organs.
The idea that adipose tissue might serve as a reservoir for pathogens is not new, Dr. Dixit said. Body fat is known to harbor a number of them, including H.I.V. and the influenza virus.
The coronavirus appears to be able to evade the body fat’s immune defenses, which are limited and incapable of fighting it effectively. And in people who are obese, there can be a lot of body fat.
A man whose ideal weight is 170 pounds but who weighs 250 pounds is carrying a substantial amount of fat in which the virus may “hang out,” replicate and trigger a destructive immune system response, said Dr. David Kass, a professor of cardiology at Johns Hopkins.
“If you really are very obese, fat is the biggest single organ in your body,” Dr. Kass said.
The coronavirus “can infect that tissue and actually reside there,” he said. “Whether it hurts it, kills it or at best, it’s a place to amplify itself — it doesn’t matter. It becomes kind of a reservoir.”
As the inflammatory response snowballs, cytokines trigger even more inflammation and the release of additional cytokines. “It’s like a perfect storm,” he said.
Dr. Blish and her colleagues speculated that infected body fat may even contribute to “long Covid,” a condition describing troublesome symptoms like fatigue that persist for weeks or months after recovery from an acute episode.
The data also suggest that Covid vaccines and treatments may need to take into account the patient’s weight and fat stores.
“This paper is another wake-up call for the medical profession and public health to look more deeply into the issues of overweight and obese individuals, and the treatments and vaccines we’re giving them,” said Barry Popkin, a professor of nutrition at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, who has studied the heightened risk that Covid poses to those with obesity.
“We keep documenting the risk they have, but we still aren’t addressing it,” Dr. Popkin said.
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The Coronavirus Attacks Fat Tissue, Scientists Find (Published 2021)

The research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at higher risk of severe illness and death from Covid.
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8 titties, case in point. Mr Jameslee, tin foil hat left wing conspiracy theorist.

Dr Malone is now discredited but before he was criticized, he was highly renowned. But now the left wing crazies have come for Dr Malone because he dared to speak out against the poison shots
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So.....if there were literally thousands of doctors/scientists all around the entire world who were agreeing with Dr. Malone and saying that the vaccines are UNSAFE....You would choose instead to listen to Dr. "Feelgood" who is one of the only doctors in the world to say the vaccine is SAFE? Just consider for a second how completely irrational that position would be.
You are "that guy".
 
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So.....if there were literally thousands of doctors/scientists all around the entire world who were agreeing with Dr. Malone and saying that the vaccines are UNSAFE....You would choose instead to listen to Dr. "Feelgood" who is one of the only doctors in the world to say the vaccine is SAFE? Just consider for a second how completely irrational that position would be.
You are "that guy".
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There are literally 1000s of doctors/scientists who agree with Dr Malone.

You speak in a lot of absolutes which is a cognitive distortion. Maybe that is the issue
 
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So.....if there were literally thousands of doctors/scientists all around the entire world who were agreeing with Dr. Malone and saying that the vaccines are UNSAFE....You would choose instead to listen to Dr. "Feelgood" who is one of the only doctors in the world to say the vaccine is SAFE? Just consider for a second how completely irrational that position would be.
You are "that guy".
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I won't read anything Bannon has to say but it's guaranteed his fat *** and that doc are both vaccinated.
 
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If you're willing to disregard science then you're free to makeup whatever world you want to believe in. You can even have your own news channel to aid and abet your delusions. You can link in to the online network of the purposely oblivious.

The problem is we live in a time of consequences and their delusions are disabling our ability to cope effectively and smartly to the rapidly changing world around us. They're dooming us all. It's like being a mountain climber on a rope and they're dragging us down. A quick, effective way to cut the rope is desperately needed.
 
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So you are comfortable ignoring the medical advice of literally thousands of doctors, scientists and healthcare professionals all across the globe because 1 dude falsely claims to be the inventor of this vaccine and has had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the clinical trials of this vaccine safety???? Ok.
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So you are comfortable ignoring the medical advice of literally thousands of doctors, scientists and healthcare professionals all across the globe because 1 dude falsely claims to be the inventor of this vaccine and has had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the clinical trials of this vaccine safety???? Ok.
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So now he falsely claims to have been there? He has documentation, pictures of he and the other scientists that were there, and acknowledgement from other scientists that he was a part of it, but he’s lying? Again, take your blinders off and quit listening to the “scientists and doctors“ that are benefitting financially from you taking these jabs.
 
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Gassy_Knowls said:
There are literally 1000s of doctors/scientists who agree with Dr Malone.

You speak in a lot of absolutes which is a cognitive distortion. Maybe that is the issue
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If there are....they sure are quiet about it.
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So now he falsely claims to have been there? He has documentation, pictures of he and the other scientists that were there, and acknowledgement from other scientists that he was a part of it, but he’s lying? Again, take your blinders off and quit listening to the “scientists and doctors“ that are benefitting financially from you taking these jabs.
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If you took the time to read it....says he was a part of the process but not the sole inventor. Very few scientific discoveries aren't collaborative. This is not earth shattering news.
The far right is painting him in a false light of a man who had his independent scientific discovery stolen and used for evil and profit. You are the one being scammed and brainwashed.
He was one of MANY who were involved in this research over many decades.
 
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Then don't go to highly crowded settings. GD, how hard is it?
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Sometimes it’s unavoidable. People have to go in to work at some point, for one example, not everyone has the luxury to work remotely, have their own office, etc. Or when you get sick/hurt and have to go to urgent care or the ER
 
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8titles said:
So ignorant. I suppose the natural immune system just shut off for this virus versus pretty much every other virus in history. Per studies out of Israel ”those with natural immunity had a 10.5 per 100,000 infection rate four to six months following their recovery, versus a 69.2 per 100,000 rate among the vaccinated.” Studies also show that although antibodies wane over time the T cells did show memory response which is critical to longer term immunity.

You won’t find it easily on Google because they filter everything but keep feeding into the machine.
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It’s not immunity if you can still get it. The whole concept of immunity means not being able to get it lol
 
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If there are....they sure are quiet about it.
If you took the time to read it....says he was a part of the process but not the sole inventor. Very few scientific discoveries aren't collaborative. This is not earth shattering news.
The far right is painting him in a false light of a man who had his independent scientific discovery stolen and used for evil and profit. You are the one being scammed and brainwashed.
He was one of MANY who were involved in this research over many decades.
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I didn’t say he was the only one dumbass. But he was absolutely one of the key people involved in the development of the technology. In fact they stumbled upon it when trying to develop gene therapy. Regardless, he notes multiple potential side effects and gives detailed explanations of why he feels that they are likely. Like all Democrats these days you just like to point out skewed data that in a lot of cases isn’t even accurate. The whole “hospitals are full of covid patients“ is a flat out lie that you and many others spew to try to pressure people Into taking this potentially lethal vaccine. Grow up and start to think for yourself brother, you may actually feel better about your decisions in life when you make them for yourself.
 
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I didn’t say he was the only one dumbass. But he was absolutely one of the key people involved in the development of the technology. In fact they stumbled upon it when trying to develop gene therapy. Regardless, he notes multiple potential side effects and gives detailed explanations of why he feels that they are likely. Like all Democrats these days you just like to point out skewed data that in a lot of cases isn’t even accurate. The whole “hospitals are full of covid patients“ is a flat out lie that you and many others spew to try to pressure people Into taking this potentially lethal vaccine. Grow up and start to think for yourself brother, you may actually feel better about your decisions in life when you make them for yourself.
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I'm the dumbass? Ok. Keep living in whatever bizarre fantasy world you have created in your pea brain to match how you want things to be.
I guess the hospitals in red states like Indiana and Arkansas have just tricked their gullible Republican governors into calling up National Guard members to help with the surging Covid cases right?
If being a dumbass means living in reality and being educated about this pandemic, guess I'm a dumbass.
Keep enjoying your fantasy world till it bites you in the *** when you or someone you love is deprived of care in an overwhelmed hospital filled with dying anti vaxxers.
 
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JumperJack said:
If this is the case, why fire medical personnel who refuse the vaccine?
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Because they have direct facial contact with patients, they work in healthcare, their boss told them to, they don't need to be taking medical resources from others in need, they should know better and if they don't like it they can find another job in something besides healthcare.
 
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Because they have direct facial contact with patients, they work in healthcare, their boss told them to, they don't need to be taking medical resources from others in need, they should know better and if they don't like it they can find another job in something besides healthcare.
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But the vaccines don't stop transmission. Gonna post more fake medical studies?
 
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Because they have direct facial contact with patients, they work in healthcare, their boss told them to, they don't need to be taking medical resources from others in need, they should know better and if they don't like it they can find another job in something besides healthcare.
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Rarely do I think this and mean it but damn, you sound exactly like a Nazi. Does that not occur to you?

Only propaganda worthy of Goebbels could make a person believe you can HELP those needing medical care by reducing their access to it.

Hey, you can’t help this person in the ICU who has Covid. You might infect them! Even though you busted your *** a year ago doing the exact same job while you were unvaccinated and were lauded as a hero.

Their boss told them to! They should know better! While Congress has an exemption and a million criminal aliens are released into our towns with ZERO vaccines.

Somebody come get this tool, pronto, and put him back in the damn shed.
 
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