Covid Cancellations

[Anon1640710541]

The exact same could be said of you, Girthang. I suppose if I look back at my studies at UK, and my MBA later on, I probably had (***shocking!!***) professors from all across the political spectrum.

This dude --> Defending the Undefendable is a running buddy of mine.

My favorite professor in business school was a free market absolutist who was funded by the Koch Brothers and Papa John. Had two deans (one Nigerian, one Mormon) who were as conservative as you can get, and a Russian dude who constantly talked about regulation ruining the economy.

I can also vividly remember my biology professor freshman year riding his bike to work and wearing a t-shirt and flip flops every single day and crying about global warming killing baby seals or whatever.


And we all survived.

 

[MegaBlue05]

CatPaw medical team stating the real truth!!

 

[cayts25]

No it was complete ********. And now everyone that got vaxxed is pissed because of the side effects. Just be honest.

Millions of deaths does not equate to ********. You all are well within their rights to be upset, there were certainly several aspects of this that were mishandled but we had millions of people around the world lose their lives to this. Also, would not recommend you using the term everyone in that situation when there are tons of people, me included, who got vaxxed and have turned out completely fine. That's as honest as I can be, thanks.

 

[notFromhere]

You know absolutely zero about my course work yet assume that there is liberal ideology spread everywhere within it. At least have some knowledge about what you're talking about before you speak so confidently.

You have to try and understand that just because you feel as though you experienced some form of liberal indoctrination in your coursework, that is not the case for everyone. The thing about analogies is that a lot of them, including this one, are nonsense. If you try to boil a frog, whether you do it quickly or slowly, it's tiny little frog brain can still recognize that it needs to get away from the heat.

To those without understanding, everything is nonsense. I didn't "experience" "liberal indoctrination." It wasnt feelings. Lol. (Frkn libs and their feels) It was plain for even the intelligent liberals to see and admit it was there. No one can make you see what you don't want to see.

Science has demonstrated that the frog will be dying before it figures things out, if the experiment is done properly. It might escape or try to shortly before it dies. But the damage is already done

 

[notFromhere]

The exact same could be said of you, Girthang.

The exact same what? Im not clairvoyant oh post master generalizer... Is there something specific to which you are referring?

Since you dont know my mind or understanding, your assumption is likely very wrong.

I suppose if I look back at my studies at UK, and my MBA later on, I probably had (***shocking!!***) professors from all across the political spectrum.

This dude --> Defending the Undefendable is a running buddy of mine.

My favorite professor in business school was a free market absolutist who was funded by the Koch Brothers and Papa John. Had two deans (one Nigerian, one Mormon) who were as conservative as you can get, and a Russian dude who constantly talked about regulation ruining the economy.

I can also vividly remember my biology professor freshman year riding his bike to work and wearing a t-shirt and flip flops every single day and crying about global warming killing baby seals or whatever.


And we all survived.

Lol. You "survived." Once again, you've told me all I needed to know.

So your conservative profs were in your eyes, and probably theirs, "as conservative as you can get," "free market absolutist," but worked for a state university system? Let me guess- did any of them have tenure? You might want to rethink your (and their) labels of them, regardless of what they claimed.

I am not an -ist and don't have an -ism in the political, philosophical, or academic sphere. Believe it or not, that is not actually a requirement for obtaining wisdom or understanding of any subject. Just like real science doesn't require you to choose just one theory, flawed or not, to defend and pursue, neither does the rest.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

Listen, if you’re not going to get vaccinated to save Ukraine and honor George Floyd then can you even claim to care about the world if you’re not wearing a mask?

 

[notFromhere]

The exact same could be said of you, Girthang. I suppose if I look back at my studies at UK, and my MBA later on, I probably had (***shocking!!***) professors from all across the political spectrum.

This dude --> Defending the Undefendable is a running buddy of mine.

My favorite professor in business school was a free market absolutist who was funded by the Koch Brothers and Papa John. Had two deans (one Nigerian, one Mormon) who were as conservative as you can get, and a Russian dude who constantly talked about regulation ruining the economy.

I can also vividly remember my biology professor freshman year riding his bike to work and wearing a t-shirt and flip flops every single day and crying about global warming killing baby seals or whatever.


And we all survived.

The coursework in govt run education, where not purposefully and diligently kept neutral, is decidedly formative towards the left side of the political spectrum. Even my physics professor who edited physics text books for a living said the same.

Look, it's not like it's hard to understand why. For decades people have erred on the side of coddling/suckling those that appeared to need it because trying to get them to suck it up took valuable resources and time away from those who didn't need it and had a real shot at making a difference in their fields. It wasn't worth fighting with an administration that just wanted butts in the seats to enlarge enrollment dollars over a student that would likely flunk out or leave on their own.

It's so strange to me that people can understand that sports are competitive, can worship the survival of the fittest/evolution mindset, and yet somehow not understand nor know how to deal with the idea that LIFE ITSELF is competitive. We're on a sports message board, yet people on this very board think competition is bad for humanity.... as if somehow it would or will survive if it stops competing for resources ....

Throughout history those that became placating or complacent, "fat and happy" (or happily distracted/crazy), were overrun. Those that rejected efficient resources (coal for example) for those that were not gained efficiently (gold & lithium) eventually lost to those who focused on survival first and foremost. Many were sold out by their leaders/politicians that were telling them what sounded easy on the ears (what they wanted to hear), so that those politicians could become rich for as long as possible.

We can say indefensibly that "it will be different this time" because "people have evolved" when in fact they haven't, but powerful govts have always abused/raped and confiscated/pillaged, whether it is at home or abroad. No sides or ideologies are immune from corruption, but there is common sense to be found if one is truly looking to combat it.

 

[Anon1640710541]

Dude. You are REALLY weird.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

The coursework in govt run education, where not purposefully and diligently kept neutral, is decidedly formative towards the left side of the political spectrum. Even my physics professor who edited physics text books for a living said the same.

Look, it's not like it's hard to understand why. For decades people have erred on the side of coddling/suckling those that appeared to need it because trying to get them to suck it up took valuable resources and time away from those who didn't need it and had a real shot at making a difference in their fields. It wasn't worth fighting with an administration that just wanted butts in the seats to enlarge enrollment dollars over a student that would likely flunk out or leave on their own.

It's so strange to me that people can understand that sports are competitive, can worship the survival of the fittest/evolution mindset, and yet somehow not understand nor know how to deal with the idea that LIFE ITSELF is competitive. We're on a sports message board, yet people on this very board think competition is bad for humanity.... as if somehow it would or will survive if it stops competing for resources ....

Throughout history those that became placating or complacent, "fat and happy" (or happily distracted/crazy), were overrun. Those that rejected efficient resources (coal for example) for those that were not gained efficiently (gold & lithium) eventually lost to those who focused on survival first and foremost. Many were sold out by their leaders/politicians that were telling them what sounded easy on the ears (what they wanted to hear), so that those politicians could become rich for as long as possible.

We can say indefensibly that "it will be different this time" because "people have evolved" when in fact they haven't, but powerful govts have always abused/raped and confiscated/pillaged, whether it is at home or abroad. No sides or ideologies are immune from corruption, but there is common sense to be found if one is truly looking to combat it.

Great post. Need more. A lot of Covid love vax lunatics in here.

 

[notFromhere]

Dude. You are REALLY weird.

Dude. You're starting to understand

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Dude. You're starting to understand

Best of luck to the vaxxie boosters here! Get your updated shots!

 

[notFromhere]

Great post. Need more. A lot of Covid love vax lunatics in here.

Thanks, GK. Appreciate you

 

[cayts25]

To those without understanding, everything is nonsense. I didn't "experience" "liberal indoctrination." It wasnt feelings. Lol. (Frkn libs and their feels) It was plain for even the intelligent liberals to see and admit it was there. No one can make you see what you don't want to see.

Science has demonstrated that the frog will be dying before it figures things out, if the experiment is done properly. It might escape or try to shortly before it dies. But the damage is already done

How are you going to make a joke about libs and their feels in the middle of your drawn out whining session about universities and how they tend to lean liberal?

Did I say everything was nonsense or did I say that analogies like your dumb frog story was nonsense? But hey, you’re right, I don’t have the best understanding of the reactions of frogs to boiling water. That was something that was in my curriculum full of the liberal agenda. Maybe you could conduct a study on it, boil a few frogs, and tell the class how it goes since you understand so much.

 

[BBBLazing]

Northwestern is a liberal arts school. Not surprised at all. Gotta keep pushing that ******** agenda.

While Northwestern has a College of Arts and Sciences that teaches a liberal arts curriculum (don't confuse "liberal arts" with liberal political leanings), Northwestern is not a "liberal arts school." It has an Engineering School, a Law School and a Medical School. It is the highest ranked Journalism school in the United States. To get into Northwestern, you have to have at least a 33 on your ACT. Only smart people go there. Your post is an ignorant attempt to equate NU with private liberal arts schools in the northeast and make it appear that nothing but liberals attend there.

 

[BBBLazing]

This is where we are today. FINALLY people that were staunch fear-mongering for covid are slowly accepting you don't label a car accident death as covid. It completely f's up you data. You probably shouldn't blindly hand out hospitals money for every covid positive test, either. You should also not run up the cycle counts of said covid test to where it almost always returns a false positive. But hey, people died man so you need to take this more seriously and give me some money.

We may get this sorted out one day but just thinking of corrupting data for 2+ years and how painful the task will be to get to that evasive truth. We may never know.

Hospitals were not given money for positive tests. People with Covid, while maybe old and with co-morbidities, required more treatment, which resulted in more money being paid for that treatment. Realize, we are only talking about Medicare when we talk about the government paying more for Covid patients. Medicare patients by definition are older or on federal disability. The blanket statement that hospitals got money for saying you have Covid is ignorant and misinformed. But hey, get your news from FaceBook, I don't care.

 

[BBBLazing]

That "literally" says it all right there. Lol

If you didn't think about it once, then your second sentence and what follows is a complete farce, and DEMONSTRATES the ideology being programmed into clueless non-thinkers.

I know and hang around a "diverse" group of people from many cultures and countries. All of them are conservatives. Nearly all of them have advanced degrees. They knew what the schools were shoveling and could see it in their curriculum. That you can't or couldn't see it is simply evidence of how programmable and how well programmed you are.

I am 86 years old. I have multiple advanced degrees, including a doctorate. I have lived during every war after WWI and have seen political ideologies change over time. If you are saying you know a bunch of people with advanced degrees that went to schools that had a culture of liberal thinking, but they are still conservative, that means that post secondary education actually works. Based upon your posts, I truly doubt your group is as diverse and educated as you state, but nonetheless, it sounds as though our system is turning out plenty of educated people that can think for themselves, and that is a great thing. During my time in school (I actually went back after 20 years from my law degree) I met a fairly equal number of people on both sides of the aisle politically. The good thing then was we debated the issues, but then took our ladies to dinner and had a few drinks without calling each other names. That is not what happens now. If you are not in the right gang you get no respect from the other side of the aisle. That is non productive, but people don't care anymore about production from a societal aspect. They only care about personal wealth. Then they criticize athletes and coaches for looking out for their own personal wealth. The world has changed plenty in my life. Some of it for the better. My grand kids and great grand kids have never not had cell phones or the internet. I miss sitting on my neighbor's porch having a beer and arguing about Eisenhower v. Stevenson, and then having another beer after one of us was wrong, and still watching our kids grow up together and helping each other raise them.

 

[BBBLazing]

The coursework in govt run education, where not purposefully and diligently kept neutral, is decidedly formative towards the left side of the political spectrum. Even my physics professor who edited physics text books for a living said the same.

Look, it's not like it's hard to understand why. For decades people have erred on the side of coddling/suckling those that appeared to need it because trying to get them to suck it up took valuable resources and time away from those who didn't need it and had a real shot at making a difference in their fields. It wasn't worth fighting with an administration that just wanted butts in the seats to enlarge enrollment dollars over a student that would likely flunk out or leave on their own.

It's so strange to me that people can understand that sports are competitive, can worship the survival of the fittest/evolution mindset, and yet somehow not understand nor know how to deal with the idea that LIFE ITSELF is competitive. We're on a sports message board, yet people on this very board think competition is bad for humanity.... as if somehow it would or will survive if it stops competing for resources ....

Throughout history those that became placating or complacent, "fat and happy" (or happily distracted/crazy), were overrun. Those that rejected efficient resources (coal for example) for those that were not gained efficiently (gold & lithium) eventually lost to those who focused on survival first and foremost. Many were sold out by their leaders/politicians that were telling them what sounded easy on the ears (what they wanted to hear), so that those politicians could become rich for as long as possible.

We can say indefensibly that "it will be different this time" because "people have evolved" when in fact they haven't, but powerful govts have always abused/raped and confiscated/pillaged, whether it is at home or abroad. No sides or ideologies are immune from corruption, but there is common sense to be found if one is truly looking to combat it.

Perhaps this is where the two of us disagree. As a social liberal, I believe that it is important to help those that need it, because some of the most brilliant people are born into situations where without social help, the rest of us will never see the result of their brilliance. Some people were not born into a situation where "put your boots on and go to work" will work given their environment, and I think we should help those people get in a situation where they can succeed. I didn't say give every lazy person that refuses to work a bunch of money. There is definitely a line that has to be drawn, and maybe we disagree on exactly where that line is. But, I would hope that most people with any interest in our society lasting another 250 years would agree that it is important to stoke the ambition and opportunities for those that can move this thing forward, despite where they start in society.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

I'd like to know the age of these grand kids if you're 86 and claim grand kids don't know a life without cell phones or internet.

 

[catlanta33]

Hospitals were not given money for positive tests. People with Covid, while maybe old and with co-morbidities, required more treatment, which resulted in more money being paid for that treatment. Realize, we are only talking about Medicare when we talk about the government paying more for Covid patients. Medicare patients by definition are older or on federal disability. The blanket statement that hospitals got money for saying you have Covid is ignorant and misinformed. But hey, get your news from FaceBook, I don't care.

What waterhead news source do you prefer?

Yahoo:

Early in the pandemic, testing was both critical to slowing the spread of the virus and in short supply. So the federal government enacted measures to make it more profitable to get in the COVID-19 testing business. Good for the duration of the public health emergency, which has not yet expired, the measures include a generous Medicare reimbursement rate, requirements for private insurance to cover testing — even compelling insurance plans to pay whatever cash price is demanded by out-of-network labs — and a hefty fund for testing those people who didn’t have insurance.

https://news.yahoo.com/medicare-keeps-spending-more-covid-100142050.html

Politifact:

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT​

• It’s standard for Medicare to pay a hospital roughly three times as much for a patient who goes on a ventilator, as for one who doesn’t.
• Medicare is paying a 20% add-on to its regular hospital payments for the treatment of COVID-19 victims. That’s a result of a federal stimulus law.
• The claim’s suggestion is that the number of COVID-19 cases is being padded; but evidence indicates the cases are being undercounted.

USA Today:

Provision in the relief act​

The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/


Look, I realize you covidiots spent the pandemic sucking off Fauci and projecting from everything because you knew only half the story was in the MSM so you hid behind that instead of actually using your little brains to think for yourselves. You're sheep and you're wrong.

Say this was to treat them all you want but the fact is, you can't get a covid positive without a covid test so hospitals tested EVERYONE in the hospital and at that time, ran the cycle counts above the recommended threshold which was producing more false positive results. 100% undisputable fact.

Stop being disingenous c-words. You did this for nearly 3 years now and it's time to stop because you're wrong.

Also, go get your booster asap.

 

[cayts25]

I'd like to know the age of these grand kids if you're 86 and claim grand kids don't know a life without cell phones or internet.

Yeah you read that incorrectly.

 

[JumperJack]

To get into Northwestern, you have to have at least a 33 on your ACT. Only smart people go there.

Ah, the conceit of the laptop class. The wisest fools in Christendom.

 

[trueblujr]

-to be clear: it's a big deal if you're old, morbidly obese or immuno-compromized. Just like most respiratory viruses.

-its not about having to wear a mask...I actually think that's good practice if one knows one is sick. It's about the destruction of world economies and a year to 18 months of lost schooling/socialization for children.

^some kids will be fine, those that are financially secure and were able to navigate the situation...poor kids were ****ed, as always. It's criminal.

The destruction was on purpose. Anyone who thinks COVID and the subsequent "vaccines" wasn't a planned event has their heads up their ***.

I'm 53, not in the best physical shape, but generally healthy, no major maladies other than some marginally up and down cholesterol levels and some acid reflux. I've had Covid twice and have had no ill effects. Felt like a cold and cough for a few days. I've had sinus infections that were worse. My blood is clean and I intend to keep it that way. I'll take whatever happens to my body naturally from the illness over injecting something experimental and unproven in my body. And i'm not an "anti-vaxxer, CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRiSt" I've taken flu shots and other shots before in my life. but I am anti THIS vax, because I know what's behind it all and I don't trust it or the people vehemently pushing and politicizing it one bit.

 

[trueblujr]

This is where we are today. FINALLY people that were staunch fear-mongering for covid are slowly accepting you don't label a car accident death as covid. It completely f's up you data. You probably shouldn't blindly hand out hospitals money for every covid positive test, either. You should also not run up the cycle counts of said covid test to where it almost always returns a false positive. But hey, people died man so you need to take this more seriously and give me some money.

We may get this sorted out one day but just thinking of corrupting data for 2+ years and how painful the task will be to get to that evasive truth. We may never know.

I had a damn false positive PCR test force me to cancel at the very last minute, Like the day before I was supposed to leave, a trip to Orlando for a swanky work related event for Design Executives in my industry. It was last March when people were still requiring tests to do ****. I had my second bout of Covid about two months prior. At the time of the test, I actually felt better than I had in a long time, I had lost a fair amount of weight and had zero symptoms. after I got the results back I immediately took two of the home tests, both came back negative. but they wouldn't accept those results.

 

[cole854]

If someone has comorbidities, and is living life just fine with them, then gets Covid and dies, Covid is correctly listed as cause of death.

So people live "just fine" with COPD, emphysema, diabetes, etc? So you can smoke and do drugs for years, and end up w/ a slew of health issues that require meds, docs, machines, etc, but if covid hits and you die, then it was the bad covid's fault you are 6 feet under?

 

[cayts25]

So people live "just fine" with COPD, emphysema, diabetes, etc? So you can smoke and do drugs for years, and end up w/ a slew of health issues that require meds, docs, machines, etc, but if covid hits and you die, then it was the bad covid's fault you are 6 feet under?

Not to jump in to your all's conversation here but that sounds about right to me. The pre-existing conditions are also factors in their death but if they would've otherwise been alive if they didn't catch covid, then you can make a very simple case that covid was the cause of death.

 

[cole854]

Not to jump in to your all's conversation here but that sounds about right to me. The pre-existing conditions are also factors in their death but if they would've otherwise been alive if they didn't catch covid, then you can make a very simple case that covid was the cause of death.

No, you can't make that simple case at all. You can look at the $$ windfall the hospitals received, however, in making that case.

 

[cayts25]

No, you can't make that simple case at all. You can look at the $$ windfall the hospitals received, however, in making that case.

If something happens to you that leads to your death and you would have otherwise been alive if that thing didn't happen to you then that is very simply the cause of death. Say it's not covid and they caught pneumonia or the flu, are you making the argument that people don't actually die from these things. It works the same way regardless of the fact that covid is politicized and other medical issues aren't.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

If something happens to you that leads to your death and you would have otherwise been alive if that thing didn't happen to you then that is very simply the cause of death. Say it's not covid and they caught pneumonia or the flu, are you making the argument that people don't actually die from these things. It works the same way regardless of the fact that covid is politicized and other medical issues aren't.

This is correct. For decades people with comorbidities got pneumonia and died, and the cause of death would be listed as pneumonia. No one said a word. Covid comes along and the exact same thing happens and people raise hell. I don’t get it.

No, actually, I take that back. I do get it.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

This is correct. For decades people with comorbidities got pneumonia and died, and the cause of death would be listed as pneumonia. No one said a word. Covid comes along and the exact same thing happens and people raise hell. I don’t get it.

No, actually, I take that back. I do get it.

Probably because the government didn't try to weaponize and shut down the world for pneumonia. Try to get you fired and deny travel and entry for it either.

 

[rudd1]

-this is a valid point, flu/pneumonia would be listed as cause of death...the question is did authorities use uptick in flu/pneumonia deaths to shut down the world economy/devastate supply chains/fundamentally change or alter societies?

^there's the rub. We'll give em a pass on the first 3-6 months(although the skeptics have been proven correct from the get go)...as they can claim "they didn't know" what covid was gonna do.

^after that grace period...they absolutely knew covid was only a significant mortal threat to a very small percentage of the population. Yet they doubled down, instead of protecting the at risk with *targeted* measures. It's criminal negligence *at best*...at worst it's nihilistic/psychotic.

 

[cayts25]

Probably because the government didn't try to weaponize and shut down the world for pneumonia. Try to get you fired and deny travel and entry for it either.

So in response to all of this we change what cause of death means? Seems odd.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

Probably because the government didn't try to weaponize and shut down the world for pneumonia. Try to get you fired and deny travel and entry for it either.

It was government over-reach, for sure.

In retaliation I think we should all vow to never vote back in the presidential administration that ordered the shutdowns, imposed the travel bans, and signed “operation warp speed” to expedite clearance for the Covid vaccine.

 

[BBBLazing]

I'd like to know the age of these grand kids if you're 86 and claim grand kids don't know a life without cell phones or internet.

Perhaps I should have said my grandkids haven't known an adult life without cell phones or internet.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

It was government over-reach, for sure.

In retaliation I think we should all vow to never vote back in the presidential administration that ordered the shutdowns, imposed the travel bans, and signed “operation warp speed” to expedite clearance for the Covid vaccine.

What did Trump have to do with Democrat governors shutting down their states? Nothing. Certainly didn't threaten to get you fired for not getting the jab. The new admin did that. But yeah, I'll co-sign being against operation warp speed and allowing the weaponization of Covid to occur.

 

[Rayban_Givens]

Northwestern will again not play this weekend

 

[Anon1640710541]

Yay

 

[Rayban_Givens]