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assistbyhawkins

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Since we are talking baseball here. I am 44 years old. The first 42 years of my life pro baseball was my favorite pro sport. Could tell you any stat, who plays where, so on and so forth. Would watch the Reds on tv any time they were on. In the last 2 years I have probably watched 10 minutes of play. With the onset of the Yankee/Redsox love fest, and the dominance of large market teams, baseball lost me. I wish the Reds well, but I won't be watching. I have to think baseball is in trouble when they lose fans like me.

You obviously havent watched the game in quite some time.
 

P19978

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Isnt an expensive closer for a non-contender the biggest waste of money for any team?

I'd trade Chapman in a heartbeat or tell that ******* he's a starter.
 

elwood_blue

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Dominance of large market teams? What about St. Louis, Pittsburgh and Kansas City? 3 mid market teams from the Midwest/Rust Belt, and 3 of the Top 5 teams in baseball this season.

Tampa Bay also had a nice run a few years back.
 

Tskware

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Since we are talking baseball here. I am 44 years old. The first 42 years of my life pro baseball was my favorite pro sport. Could tell you any stat, who plays where, so on and so forth. Would watch the Reds on tv any time they were on. In the last 2 years I have probably watched 10 minutes of play. With the onset of the Yankee/Redsox love fest, and the dominance of large market teams, baseball lost me. I wish the Reds well, but I won't be watching. I have to think baseball is in trouble when they lose fans like me.

Actually, I think baseball has changed its rules, added the luxury tax, and now much more wide open than 10 or 15 years ago. Toronto, Cubbies, Houston, KC are all playoff teams for first time in many years. I also like the new rules to speed up games, has shaved like 8 minutes off the average time.
 

qwesley

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Yes smaller market teams have better chances to compete now but it really takes exceptional management to do it consistently. They really tend to just try to get all their assets on the same schedule, thus the topic of trading Votto and others and getting young talent developing together.

The Pirates (my team) finally did this but there are only two years until McCutchen hits the market at prob close to $30m which they can't match. They will have to decide if they will keep him until the end and only get draft picks or trade for a package.
 
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Yes smaller market teams have better chances to compete now but it really takes exceptional management to do it consistently. They really tend to just try to get all their assets on the same schedule, thus the topic of trading Votto and others and getting young talent developing together.

The Pirates (my team) finally did this but there are only two years until McCutchen hits the market at prob close to $30m which they can't match. They will have to decide if they will keep him until the end and only get draft picks or trade for a package.

Exactly. I'm a Pirates fan as well and feel like we've got a short window here to do some damage before we lose our stars because of money. Small market teams have no margin for error, whereas teams like Boston and New York can just spend their way out.

MLB is far and away the least "fair" of the big 4 pro sports.
 

ktbug

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Yes,, but the Dodgers and Angels spend a gizzilion dollars without thinking.. The Yanks don't put much effort in the farm leagues, knowing they will trade or buy what they need. The luxury tax ought to hurt, it doesn't appear to me that it does. Houston and Chicago are two of the largest markets in the nation, they should be good.
A good pitcher is going to take the 20-25 million big markets are going to offer. When Bronson Arroyo gets a 2 year 10million/per deal at the end of his career you know there are problems.
 

qwesley

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Overlooked is how the big market teams can buy foreign talent that does not go through a draft. Some of the posting fees are insane and the bust rate is pretty high.
 

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Playoff teams and their current payroll…

(The number in parentheses is their MLB payroll ranking)

(1) Dodgers $314,168,414
(2) Yankees $219,256,867
(7) Rangers $152,395,607
(10) Blue Jays $138,309,664
(11) Cubs $133,193,810
(12) Cardinals $132,053,951
(14) Royals $125,375,340
(15) Mets $120,415,688
(24) Pirates $99,385,606
(25) Astros $81,375,835
 

Tskware

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Playoff teams and their current payroll…

(The number in parentheses is their MLB payroll ranking)

(1) Dodgers $314,168,414
(2) Yankees $219,256,867
(7) Rangers $152,395,607
(10) Blue Jays $138,309,664
(11) Cubs $133,193,810
(12) Cardinals $132,053,951
(14) Royals $125,375,340
(15) Mets $120,415,688
(24) Pirates $99,385,606
(25) Astros $81,375,835

Wow, 2/3 of the top 9 spending teams did not even make the playoffs, and no. 2 on the list (NYY) just barely limped in as a WC and got shut out in their only game.

Moral to the story is "you can't buy championships (anymore, but you used to be able to)"

Amazing that the Dodgers have almost as much money to spend as NYY, and have not won the WS since 1988. Even the Reds won one since that time.
 

ktbug

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Got to disagree TT. After 15, which is about half the teams, only two got in. I have no idea who 3-6 are, but I would hazard to guess they did better than 27-30.
NFL believes in parity and their league is thriving.
 

rmattox

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Small market teams will have good players and good years. They have to hope they have enough of those good players on the team at the same time to string together a few competitive seasons. IMO, the problem with small market teams is consistency. I wonder if you looked at play-off teams over the last 20 years what percentage would be from larger markets. Better than that, what percentage of WS teams were from small markets?