Crazy rumor on Reddit...

[PSAL_Hoops]

I am 100% certain that both Zinn/Tate have vetted this out AND that we can find a better head coach for this day and age of college football.

Most of us aren’t quite as to “emotional” as you might like to think about this topic. Quite the opposite, actually, because this is a man that most of us wanted here for a very long time. Once. If anything, I find the small percentage of loyalist to GS to be the ones thinking “emotionally” about the entire topic.

I want to be clear that I have zero confidence that Greg can turn things around in 2027. That said - it doesn’t really matter whether he’s “worse” than other options we could realistically afford (and also convince) to come be our head coach next season unless we’re at least reasonably confident that “guy” is actually good enough to elevate us from where we are right to a consistent +500 program. Most sitting OCs and DCs (even successful ones) aren’t going to end up being that. If Greg is a 1 out of 10 and we can afford to land a 3 out of ten right now, but then we’ll also have that much less money available to buy players because we’ll be double paying coaching salaries - do you think that puts Rutgers in a better place?

We clearly did not have the money it would’ve taken to pay Brian Kelly. At least not in combination with the commitment someone like him would’ve demanded in terms of the NIL allocation and budget for staffing that he would’ve been allotted. He obviously said thanks but no thanks. It’s not only about what the head coach himself would get.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

They may have had the money within RU but PR concerns ($500M shortfall in a decade) may have had as much to with retaining the insufferable, lying failure as lack of $$.

So, let him bleed out one last time, save $ for one year (school or donor) and reduce the PR risk significantly in the process

This too. But probably not the main driver. Just because maybe we could’ve gotten someone better than Greg does not mean the type of coach Zinn really wanted was in our budget. She can only count on getting one crack at this. For her - this is the prudent decision. We’re in a difficult spot.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I want to be clear that I have zero confidence that Greg can turn things around in 2027. That said - it doesn’t really matter whether he’s “worse” than other options we could realistically afford (and also convince) to come be our head coach next season unless we’re at least reasonably confident that “guy” is actually good enough to elevate us from where we are right to a consistent +500 program. Most sitting OCs and DCs (even successful ones) aren’t going to end up being that. If Greg is a 1 out of 10 and we can afford to land a 3 out of ten right now, but then we’ll also have that much less money available to buy players because we’ll be double paying coaching salaries - do you think that puts Rutgers in a better place?

We clearly did not have the money it would’ve taken to pay Brian Kelly. At least not in combination with the commitment someone like him would’ve demanded in terms of the NIL allocation and budget for staffing that he would’ve been allotted. He obviously said thanks but no thanks. It’s not only about what the head coach himself would get.

Gotcha, thanks!

I'm not even sure it had anything to do with a package for any particular coaching candidate. My guess - strictly GUESS - is this is more of a long-term big-donor thing. We know a couple of the biggest donors out there absolutely love Greg. We know that Tate/Zinn wanted him gone (anyone thinking otherwise, after reading everything, has there head in the sand....). Anyway what I'm thinking is maybe there was an agreement reached that "he gets x,y,z this year, he MUST hit "x,y,z" goals next year, we will back the NIL needs for this season AND continue to donate to the program - and the athletic department as a whole - thereafter, should he not reach those goals and be fired at "x, y or z" point next season." In other words: the big bucks people said "give him one more shot and we'll be around forever. Fire him now and we're gone."

2 things here:

- there would obviously have to be more to it than that which I'm sure is what a lot of these "behind the scenes" meetings have involved

- it gives Zinn time to get corporate backing for the future; while I'm 100% certain she always had a "list of candidates" in her back pocket my guess is - again, GUESS - based on her silence all season long until last week then the other day, she was NOT expecting the disaster that has been - and will continue to be - this season. Greg fed her all his bs this off-season, as he did the entire fanbase/nation the few times he spoke, and she was completely blindsided with the Massachusetts Massacre the first 8 days of the regular season IN TERMS OF having to come up with a huge amount of $$$ in a very short period of time (at RU, in NJ, no-less....).

 

[Shelby65]

This too. But probably not the main driver. Just because maybe we could’ve gotten someone better than Greg does not mean the type of coach Zinn really wanted was in our budget. She can only count on getting one crack at this. For her - this is the prudent decision. We’re in a difficult spot.

We don’t know the financial picture. But we do know the PR picture. The latter may well have been the ‘main driver’ as you put it.

It’s done and we have to deal with it.

But let Shelby say this. You say ‘the kind of coach….wasn’t in our budget’ this year. If the incompetent bum is finally fired next year and a meh, low budget coordinator-type is hired….that will show keeping him wasn’t so much about the money after all.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Gotcha, thanks!

I'm not even sure it had anything to do with a package for any particular coaching candidate. My guess - strictly GUESS - is this is more of a long-term big-donor thing. We know a couple of the biggest donors out there absolutely love Greg. We know that Tate/Zinn wanted him gone (anyone thinking otherwise, after reading everything, has there head in the sand....). Anyway what I'm thinking is maybe there was an agreement reached that "he gets x,y,z this year, he MUST hit "x,y,z" goals next year, we will back the NIL needs for this season AND continue to donate to the program - and the athletic department as a whole - thereafter, should he not reach those goals and be fired at "x, y or z" point next season." In other words: the big bucks people said "give him one more shot and we'll be around forever. Fire him now and we're gone."

2 things here:

- there would obviously have to be more to it than that which I'm sure is what a lot of these "behind the scenes" meetings have involved

- it gives Zinn time to get corporate backing for the future; while I'm 100% certain she always had a "list of candidates" in her back pocket my guess is - again, GUESS - based on her silence all season long until last week then the other day, she was NOT expecting the disaster that has been - and will continue to be - this season. Greg fed her all his bs this off-season, as he did the entire fanbase/nation the few times he spoke, and she was completely blindsided with the Massachusetts Massacre the first 8 days of the regular season IN TERMS OF having to come up with a huge amount of $$$ in a very short period of time (at RU, in NJ, no-less....).

Yeah - so the distinguish question is whether or not she (and Tate) wanted him gone at all costs and were simply shut down. While I don’t rule it out entirely, I don’t think that’s it and this is all I was trying to say. I believe Zinn and Tate are smart enough to realize that politically, digging a deeper hole in the RU deficit to fund this wasn’t an option.

My guess (obviously totally reading between the tea leaves here) is that she had truly hoped those donors would come through with the funding needed to make moving on viable. Ultimately, they said no. Now whether they said no out of loyalty to Greg or simply because they didn’t think it was worth going into their pockets right now doesn’t really matter. If they said no, she didn’t, in fact, have the money we needed to make this happen.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

We don’t know the financial picture. But we do know the PR picture. The latter may well have been the ‘main driver’ as you put it.

It’s done and we have to deal with it.

But let Shelby say this. You say ‘the kind of coach….wasn’t in our budget’ this year. If the incompetent bum is finally fired next year and a meh, low budget coordinator-type is hired….that will show keeping him wasn’t so much about the money after all.

True but I don’t think that will happen. When the time comes (whenever it is) - I honestly believe, for better or worse, it will be a brand name hire. I don’t believe Zinn wanted to act unless she had the ability to make that kind of move. That’s what I’ve been trying to say. It’s not that she doesn’t think there are OCs or DCs out there who could be better than Greg - it’s just that she realizes the odds would still be heavily stacked against those types of hires (just as they will be for Greg next year but even moreso because we’d be paying double for staff and still need to buy players).

 

[willisneverrana43]

You guys need to step away from the computer and decompress. They are in the midst of creating and now building an NIL funding network, and their early work got us out of the B1G NIL basement and into respectability. The last thing they want to do now is stall that upward trend to devote a bunch of funding to paying off a departing coach and paying more for a new one. While neither choice is great, continuing to build the NIL base should be a priority and telling the donors that their money will go toward talent is easier than selling that a big chunk of money is going to the old coach and an even bigger chunk is going to a new coach, before we even get to the players. In a perfect world, they would have canned Greg. The world is never perfect. The best we can hope for is that they continue to build the NIL system, much like they have so far. If they can do that, I'd be happy. I'd be even happier if Greg can figure out how to coach successfully in thise new world of yearly free agency. He just doesn't seem a fit. He's a guy who gets prospects out of HS, develops them, sells them on how he'll turn them into men, and eventually produces a well oiled machine. None of that works now. Circumstances have given him another year to figure it out. So be it.

 

[RU#1fan]

Should we ask Nebraska, Purdue and Michigan State, too? How about Penn State?

They are all in better shape than us you Idiot.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

Not sure I buy it. Don't believe Greg's ego would allow him to make this kind of deal.

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If this was true, Schiano and Rutgers would announce it as the plan

 

[RU1022]

Come on... you can't gamble with millions of dollars of someone else's money based on someone's word. If that was the plot of a Disney movie I would dismiss it for being too unbelievable

 

[AdventureHasAName]

They are all in better shape than us you Idiot.

So is every other school in the P4. That's not an accomplishment.