Cuba...am I missing something?
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I'm for it but I understand not doing it. Because everyrhing is state owned and controlled by a dictator, the money spent by the U.S. Down there will enhance the administration and not the people.
No different from Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, China, Russia, and numerous other communist or other totalitarian nations we trade and have normal relations with.
I said I was for it. Let's not pretend like the countries you listed are the beacons of light wrt human rights. And just because we do it with them does that make it ok with Cuba?
Calm down. Nobody said those other countries were beacons of anything. The justification for keeping the embargo against Cuba was always that Castro was a communist dictator, so in that light there's no more reason to keep Cuba cut off than for those other countries.
I'm all in on going to Nam. Same with Cuba. I was working an angle to get there anyway. Was just going to take a boat from the Bahamas.
The key question is what does the US get in return? Will political prisoners be released? Will human rights abuses stop? Will private property seized by the government be returned? Will Cuba promise to stop exporting communism to other countries in our hemisphere? Will fair and free elections be held?
Did all those things magically happen in other communist countries when we established diplomatic relations? One of the issues mentioned in the announcement is return or compensation for property of U.S. citizens seized in the revolution, the others we can keep up the pressure for. Other than that the contrarians are just looking for reasons to keep a 60-year-old failed policy in place because Obama or because Castro or ... just because.
The US is in the position of strength or should be. Our negotiations should reflect that position. The Castro boys are getting a lot out of this deal. We should be receiving our fair share in negotiations.
I won't have to buy my cigars through offshore retailers anymore.
How much do you want to bet that 90% of those Cuban refugees who claim they're "Longing to go back to Cuba" stay in South Florida when the Castro brothers are dead and gone?
How much do you want to bet that 90% of those Cuban refugees who claim they're "Longing to go back to Cuba" stay in South Florida when the Castro brothers are dead and gone?
Hey, just another place for the greedy executives of major industries to take American jobs to for cheaper labor now!!!! But at least those executives will have another place to vacation at.....
i will most likely buy some vacation property there now. Get in early when the investment companies start carving out paradise. Boat loads of money to be made by working with Cuba.
That was my argument against the embargo all along. It was the sugar industry that pushed the U.S. into its war of liberation of Cuba in 1898, and I've said for years that if we reopened relations that American businesses would control most of Cuba again within 10 years.
You've already missed out, DD. Spanish, Canadian, German, and French companies have been working in partnership with Cuban govt. to develop the good vacation property in Cuba over the past 20 years. And they charge you out the *** to stay there.
You pay Parisian hotel prices to stay in a country that's one step up from Haiti. Some of the Canadian tour companies can get you a decent deal, but that's only because the Canadians never stopped going there.
At least since things have opened up, you don't have to pay a small mordida to Cuban customs not to stamp your passport.
Watch out for poisoned mustache wax while you're down there. I understand the CIA used to air drop it into the country just in case Fidel stumbled across a crate.
I would be careful. The government can seize your property without compensation. That's what communists do. That's why we need big concessions from Cuba before opening up that country to capital formation from the U.S.
You might be able to get a clear land title there after the Castro boys join Lenin in Hell. That's more than I can say for most Latin American countries. In most of them you've got the old Spanish land grants to deal with, plus the ones issued after every revolution in the past 200 years.
If the local Jefe wants your land, he shows up with some old official looking papers, a lawyer and a handful of cops and you're screwed. It's a common scam in Central America used against Americans and Canadians retiring there. The gringos develop the land and the local Jefe and his lawyer take it away.
If only we West Virginians had thought of it first..........
If the local Jefe wants your land, he shows up with some old official looking papers, a lawyer and a handful of cops and you're screwed. It's a common scam in Central America used against Americans and Canadians retiring there. The gringos develop the land and the local Jefe and his lawyer take it away.
If only we West Virginians had thought of it first..........