Cuse gets hammered

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Originally posted by Nubb16:
"Over the course of a decade, Syracuse University did not control and monitor its athletics programs," the NCAA said in a statement, "and its head men's basketball coach failed to monitor his program."





Sounds familiar.
So how can the NCAA say it has no control over this very thing in the UNC scandal? Its the same thing other than its much more massive at UNC. IF UNC gets off then there should be a huge lawsuit from Syracuse and many other schools that got punished for this.
 

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A little bit off topic, but i was glancing through the NCAA report and came across this line on page 52; "Similar to the head coach at the University of Kentucky, the head basketball coach relied on the integrity of the director of basketball operations and assumed that his conduct abided by NCAA legislation and failed to monitor the director of basketball operations' conduct, even though they met on a regular basis,"

I don't know if this was citing a statement made by Boeheim or if it was written into the report by the committee, but either way I took it as a slap at Cal and our program. It had nothing to do with the case against Syracuse.
 

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You would think if it went on in 04 then it probably went on in 03,should have to vacate title in 03.
 

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Originally posted by Lumpy 2:
A little bit off topic, but i was glancing through the NCAA report and came across this line on page 52; "Similar to the head coach at the University of Kentucky, the head basketball coach relied on the integrity of the director of basketball operations and assumed that his conduct abided by NCAA legislation and failed to monitor the director of basketball operations' conduct, even though they met on a regular basis,"

I don't know if this was citing a statement made by Boeheim or if it was written into the report by the committee, but either way I took it as a slap at Cal and our program. It had nothing to do with the case against Syracuse.
That is a reference back to this statement earlier in the report and refers to the UK football coach in 2002:

NCAA Constitution 2.8.1 requires member institutions to monitor its programs to assure compliance and identify and report instances of noncompliance. Previously, the committee has expressly stated that NCAA Constitution 2.8.1 also applies to individual head coaches and places an affirmative responsibility on head coaches to monitor their respective programs.36 Specifically, the committee previously indicated that head coaches have a special obligation to monitor the compliance among their team, coaches, staff and student-athletes. See University of Kentucky, Case No. M174 (2002) (concluding that the head football coach "mistakenly relied on the [staff members] integrity to perform those duties properly and in accordance with NCAA rules and regulations"). More recently in 2010, the committee affirmed the expectation and responsibility of head coaches to monitor their programs. See University of Michigan, Case No. M324 (2010) (indicating, "monitoring rules compliance in his/her athletics programs is first and foremost the responsibility of the program's head coach"). That expectation remains today.
 

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Originally posted by UK3Pointer:
Originally posted by Lumpy 2:
A little bit off topic, but i was glancing through the NCAA report and came across this line on page 52; "Similar to the head coach at the University of Kentucky, the head basketball coach relied on the integrity of the director of basketball operations and assumed that his conduct abided by NCAA legislation and failed to monitor the director of basketball operations' conduct, even though they met on a regular basis,"

I don't know if this was citing a statement made by Boeheim or if it was written into the report by the committee, but either way I took it as a slap at Cal and our program. It had nothing to do with the case against Syracuse.
That is a reference back to this statement earlier in the report and refers to the UK football coach in 2002:

NCAA Constitution 2.8.1 requires member institutions to monitor its programs to assure compliance and identify and report instances of noncompliance. Previously, the committee has expressly stated that NCAA Constitution 2.8.1 also applies to individual head coaches and places an affirmative responsibility on head coaches to monitor their respective programs.36 Specifically, the committee previously indicated that head coaches have a special obligation to monitor the compliance among their team, coaches, staff and student-athletes. See University of Kentucky, Case No. M174 (2002) (concluding that the head football coach "mistakenly relied on the [staff members] integrity to perform those duties properly and in accordance with NCAA rules and regulations"). More recently in 2010, the committee affirmed the expectation and responsibility of head coaches to monitor their programs. See University of Michigan, Case No. M324 (2010) (indicating, "monitoring rules compliance in his/her athletics programs is first and foremost the responsibility of the program's head coach"). That expectation remains today.
Thanks UK3Pointer, I missed that reference.
 

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It's amazing the lack of outrage and anger at Syracuse and Boeheim that college basketball fans are expressing nationwide. Most of what is out there seems to come mainly from fans of Syracuse's rivals. Real and confirmed cheaters in recent years barely draw yawns from fans, but Kentucky and John Calipari are absolutely ruining college basketball and must be stopped.
 
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Bill Simmons was on PTI today and he said he was suprised at how little people care about college basketball these days. Said an hour after this broke, ESPN wasn't even covering it anymore. No, Bill, it faded from the spotlight because of who it was. It would be non-stop coverage if it was UK and Cal. And I say that not because I think they are out to get us. I posted recently that isn't the case. But we are a much bigger deal in cbb than Syracuse, and it would drive their coverage.
 

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Originally posted by SilentsAreGolden:
Bill Simmons was on PTI today and he said he was suprised at how little people care about college basketball these days. Said an hour after this broke, ESPN wasn't even covering it anymore. No, Bill, it faded from the spotlight because of who it was. It would be non-stop coverage if it was UK and Cal. And I say that not because I think they are out to get us. I posted recently that isn't the case. But we are a much bigger deal in cbb than Syracuse, and it would drive their coverage.
While I agree with you, I would also say that's just part of the heat associated with being the top dog in a sport. Is it fair? No. But I'd rather live with that reality than without it...
 
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I am a premium member of the Nebraska board...yep, a former resident of Huskerland, a life long Husker FB fan and a life long UK BB fan thanks to my family tree. I can't believe how ignorant other "fans" are when it comes to Cal. He was exonerated by the NCAA in both the UMass and Memphis issues yet other fans continually equate him with cheating. Guess the old "haters gonna hate" saying is true. Just pisses me off. It goes to show, from both the Cats side and the other side....you let an idiot with a computer and an ISP and they can spew whatever type of unsubstantiated, ridiculous bravo sierra they want. Emphasis is on idiot. CATS!
 

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I haven't the time to read this thread yet, but at least 'Cuse self imposed themselves some, Heels HAVE to be concerned, that is a lot of vacated wins.
 

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Originally posted by SilentsAreGolden:
Bill Simmons was on PTI today and he said he was suprised at how little people care about college basketball these days. Said an hour after this broke, ESPN wasn't even covering it anymore. No, Bill, it faded from the spotlight because of who it was. It would be non-stop coverage if it was UK and Cal. And I say that not because I think they are out to get us. I posted recently that isn't the case. But we are a much bigger deal in cbb than Syracuse, and it would drive their coverage.
There was no mention of the actual violations. Kornheiser on the same show was primarily concerned that Boeheim's punishment is too harsh. Which seems to be the general sports media narrative about this.
 

lacocat

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The only thing self imposing gets you is free swings from NCAA hammer so far... to be continued UNC
 
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So maybe the NCAA isn't quite dead yet. This part of Dana O'Neil's column is noteworthy:

"If he doesn't get something in this case, the rule is to me rendered moot,'' one lawyer who handles NCAA cases told ESPN.com on Friday.
So as much as this was about Boeheim, it's also about every coach in college basketball.
Somewhere in Tennessee, Donnie Tyndall, under investigation for alleged violations committed while he was at Southern Miss, ought to be quivering in his orange blazer. Neither Larry Brown, facing NCAA scrutiny at SMU, nor Roy Williams, in the epicenter of the North Carolina academic mess, should be breathing easy, either.
"Absolutely they should be worried,'' the same lawyer said.
 

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Originally posted by Mojocat:
So maybe the NCAA isn't quite dead yet. This part of Dana O'Neil's column is noteworthy:


"If he doesn't get something in this case, the rule is to me rendered moot,'' one lawyer who handles NCAA cases told ESPN.com on Friday.
So as much as this was about Boeheim, it's also about every coach in college basketball.
Somewhere in Tennessee, Donnie Tyndall, under investigation for alleged violations committed while he was at Southern Miss, ought to be quivering in his orange blazer. Neither Larry Brown, facing NCAA scrutiny at SMU, nor Roy Williams, in the epicenter of the North Carolina academic mess, should be breathing easy, either.
"Absolutely they should be worried,'' the same lawyer said.