CZ 75 P01
- Thread starter Raptureme
- Start date
:grimace::gun: Make sure to point it at your head first.9mm....any input on this?
Debating whether or not to pull the trigger
Glock, Glock, Glock....don’t cry about the grip angle...they go bang. I have seven of them and shoot often and have NEVER experienced a malfunction. My life on the line, I wouldn’t want anything else in my hands
Almost every manufacturer has a model with adjustable back straps, etc. Plus you can always add Talon Grips to anything.....(which I highly recommend). So, don’t limit yourself to the CZ for the large hand reason.
Hey guys. I’m going to buy this thing I like, but I want to make a thread about it so I can get a bunch of folks to agree with me. Should I do that? Thanks in advance.
Glock’s are always a good bet. I own 2 myself. But let’s not pretend there are other brands out there. HK, Walther, Sig....all have stellar reputations for being supremely reliable, comfortable, and accurate.....which is why tons of military and law enforcement use them world wide.
There are also some mid grade brands like Springfield, S&W which have great reputations. They haven’t gotten into the military market as much, but they’re rampant in law enforcement world wide.
Military and law enforcement risk their lives every day. Sure, many times they don’t get to choose which brand they carry, but often they do.....and it’s not always Glock.
OP, what I recommend is this:
1. Figure out what you want/need. Concealed carry? Home security? Fun? Narrow down the size and caliber. Figure out where to store properly.....educate family, etc.
2. Eliminate the lesser brands....ie stick with the higher end brands listed above.
3. Research specs, reliability, features, and price to narrow down the choices.
4. By now you’ve likely narrowed things down to 1-3 makes/models. Go to the range that allows rental and spend time shooting each. Like cars they’ll all look, feel very different. Then buy the one that wins.
6. Practice, practice, practice. It makes little difference what make/model it is unless you can use it well enough.
1. Figure out what you want/need. Concealed carry? Home security? Fun? Narrow down the size and caliber. Figure out where to store properly.....educate family, etc.
2. Eliminate the lesser brands....ie stick with the higher end brands listed above.
3. Research specs, reliability, features, and price to narrow down the choices.
4. By now you’ve likely narrowed things down to 1-3 makes/models. Go to the range that allows rental and spend time shooting each. Like cars they’ll all look, feel very different. Then buy the one that wins.
6. Practice, practice, practice. It makes little difference what make/model it is unless you can use it well enough.
Yeah....already have a S&W Shield 9 and a S&W 380 for wife or to stick in my pocket.....this CZ is a decent pocket fit too so I was wondering about the viability
Considering a Sig as well...the smaller Glock just didn't feel right..
Thanks for the input everybody!
Ive been thinking about the S&W 380 myself for small carry on those rare occasions... I like how it functions for the intended purpose... liked the Shield also... You've made good decisions so far so... buy what you like. Like I say/love all the CZ's, they just don't fit my small hands well....
Be safe...........
Hank
Damnit
So - what’s the deal with Czech guns being so highly coveted?
I’ve known people who “move them” and I’ve shot one or two - but are they generally better made/performing than say a reuger made option
(Pretty sure that’s a manufacturer like glock)
And the ones that are prized are post Czechoslovakia?
They’re post iron curtain?
Or not maybe - I don’t know....?
Now you done it - compared Ruger to Glock. Lord help you.
Surprised you didn't go with Gaston rather than Bob.
My brother is a Ruger fan boy. His SR9 is a fantastic weapon. We have put thousands of rds through it w/o malfunction at all. And I love my 10/22.
That being said, he got a LCP I .380 brand new and that was junk. It kept malfunctioning. He sent it back, Ruger checked it over and gave him a new one no questions asked. Though he got rid of it soon after because his confidence was shaken.
So, for his concealed carry he went with Kahr CM9 (my brother can't afford a ton which is why he doesn't have anything too expensive). He loves it......loves it. Never had a malfunction. Now me, I can't stand it. It's incredibly reliable, but hurts my hand every time I shoot it.
My concealed carries are Glock 43 and S&W 638. I love both and carry both routinely.
Oh....I forgot to add (if you can’t tell from my previous post) that I wouldn’t compare Ruger to Glock either. Glock is an upper tier manufacturer while Ruger is lower middle.
I would certainly own a SR9 for home defense or LCR for carry.....but only if I couldn’t afford too much more.
My thought about Hi Point is this.......it's better than a closed fist or baseball bat.
Also, here's another great option.
Used.
This is a very legitimate discussion. If your budget is $300-350....and you can't afford more.....you have several options.
1) Buy two Hi Points
2) Buy a decent Ruger and have a little left over to modify it
3) Buy a good mid-tier gun from Springfield or S&W
4) Buy a good used gun (like a police trade in) upper tier Glock, Sig, etc.
Now me, I would certainly lean to options #3-4.
Used.
This is a very legitimate discussion. If your budget is $300-350....and you can't afford more.....you have several options.
1) Buy two Hi Points
2) Buy a decent Ruger and have a little left over to modify it
3) Buy a good mid-tier gun from Springfield or S&W
4) Buy a good used gun (like a police trade in) upper tier Glock, Sig, etc.
Now me, I would certainly lean to options #3-4.
Haha. Dunno. The CZ-82 is a Soviet era pistol that can be picked up for cheap.
Now CZ seems to be a well respected brand.
From my perspective, it seems like dudes constantly look for another option to the glock for reasons that appear to be largely narcissistic.
I don't know what to say about this. Are you saying that Glock is the greatest and no other manufacturer comes close....except CZ and FN with just a couple models?
If so, that's bunk.
There are Glock fan boys out there that are so stubborn and obstinate that they can't see reason. Just drives you nuts. And this is coming from a Glock owner.
Here's the truth about Glock.
When it came out in the '80's there was nothing like it. Gaston's creation revolutionized the industry. The simplicity and reliability took the world by storm......and all other manufacturers struggled to keep up. So, what did the rest of the world do? They copied Glock. Now, almost all manufacturers offer a Glock clone. Does that mean that they're all as reliable as Glock? No......not all. But it does mean that many have caught up to the point where it's more about personal preference.
For instance, let's take several manufacturers and compare them:
-Glock - Supreme reliability, but compared to others there's a lot they're lacking. There are many manufacturers that are better after the ergonomics. Glock sights are terrible. They work, but when other manufacturers offer much better sights.....it makes what Glock offers a disappointment. Every Glock I own, I've switched out the sights immediately. What about grip ergonomics, grip or slide texture, mag release, etc? Same thing.
-H&K and Walther - Known for having the best from the factory ergonomics. Guys like Hickok45 who is a Glock enthusiast, praise both manufacturers for the way they feel and shoot. Many, including Hickok45, state that Walther can boast the best trigger. If you stick with the proven products that H&K and Walther have, is there a drop in reliability from the Glock? Not really......at least not enough that 99.99% of the population would ever notice. Does this mean they are better products than Glock? No. Once again, it's personal preference.
-Sig and S&W - Ever look at their product line? Whoah.....huge. Colors, modifications, sizes, prices, options galore. A person can find something from the factory to suit their personal preference.
-Reliability - Remember that the average person is not in law enforcement nor are they soldiers. The average person is going to leave their pistol on a night stand, handle it gently at the range, or have it tucked in their waistband. The average person is not going to submerge their pistol in water, mud, sand......bump into things with it, etc. For the average person, the difference between a Glock, S&W, H&K, FN, CZ, Springfield, Walther, etc will never see the difference in reliability (provided that they stick with the more proven products that each manufacturer provides.)
-Accuracy - I have known many, many firearm enthusiasts whose accuracy varies greatly from one make/model to the next. I have a friend who was world ranked in 3-gun (preferred Sig) that couldn't hit the side of a barn with my Glock 17......but could shoot quarter sized groups with my Sig. If there is any difference in reliability between the Glock and Sig, does it offset the difference in accuracy? In this case, the answer is easily no. Could he buy a Glock, practice, practice, practice with it until he got as accurate with it as his Sig? Maybe....can't be 100% sure. But why would he?
-Modifications - One excuse I've heard from Glock fan boys is the amount of parts available that can change ergonomics, etc. Sure, you can spend $500 on a Glock then pump another $300 into it to make it more ergonomically friendly. But is spending $800 on a Glock better than spending $650 for a Walther from the factory? Maybe, not sure. Once again this is all about personal preference.
So, bottom line, Glocks are fantastic. If you can shoot them well....and you don't mind the lesser ergonomics or are willing to change them.....then you're going to be very pleased......very. I'm a Glock owner....and I will own more. But I'm not naive to think that there are other very fine options out there that can serve the average man's purpose equally well, if not better in some cases.
I'm not big in gun collecting. I only have 2 right now and they have worked perfect for the past year and never jammed. They aren't guns the gun snobs would be happy with but they work for me. I currently have a Taurus PT111 G2. Got it for I believe $289 and came with a free Heritage Rough Rider .22 revolver that I use to teach my son with. He loves the thing. Both have excellent reviews and have been great starter guns for us.
The next gun I want is a lever action rifle. After playing around with that revolver it's made me want to try out another older technology style of gun. I'm not sure what caliber I would want yet.
The next gun I want is a lever action rifle. After playing around with that revolver it's made me want to try out another older technology style of gun. I'm not sure what caliber I would want yet.
9mm? Are you serious? [laughing]
I carry a Smith & Wesson .500 — but I’m not a *****.
I don't know if you've seen this yet, but it's pretty cool.
http://www.bighornarmory.com/catalog/big-horn-armory-products/ar500-500-auto-max-16/
The calculate it to have nearly 3x the amount of KE as the standard 5.56.
I'm not big in gun collecting. I only have 2 right now and they have worked perfect for the past year and never jammed. They aren't guns the gun snobs would be happy with but they work for me. I currently have a Taurus PT111 G2. Got it for I believe $289 and came with a free Heritage Rough Rider .22 revolver that I use to teach my son with. He loves the thing. Both have excellent reviews and have been great starter guns for us.
The next gun I want is a lever action rifle. After playing around with that revolver it's made me want to try out another older technology style of gun. I'm not sure what caliber I would want yet.
To piggy-back my previous post, Big Horn also has a number of lever action, high caliber rifles.
http://www.bighornarmory.com/catalog/1/big-horn-armory-products/
These will certainly drop what you're aiming at.
More paragraphs crying about Glock, please.
[cheers]
[cheers]
sissified.
so quick to pick up a gun.
too scared to take an ***-whipping.
this is what makes you a man. :fistbump::fistbump:
when I was growing up, this was all the protection we needed.
you win some, you lose some.
but you live, you live to fight another day!
now you think you're a man with a gun in your hands, don't you?
so quick to pick up a gun.
too scared to take an ***-whipping.
this is what makes you a man. :fistbump::fistbump:
when I was growing up, this was all the protection we needed.
you win some, you lose some.
but you live, you live to fight another day!
now you think you're a man with a gun in your hands, don't you?
I wish that were the case now as it was for us back then. Unfortunately in this day and age, if you were to quarrel with someone they'd pull out a gun and shoot you. No fists will help that.
Way out of any budget I will likely have in the foreseeable future. Looks like $400 is the low range for anything that isn't a .22 from any site that I've seen.
I just found the large calibers interesting.
But seriously, a Henry lever action .22 is a fantastic little rifle. Ammo is dirt cheap and you can fire it all day long with any member of your family. I plan to buy one for my daughter in a couple of yrs when she gets older.
You can find one for about $400.
OK, so I need to stop Googling "handguns for people with large hands" then. heh. Preumably straps and grips don't materially change cost or performance?
Hahaha - I can shoot well (for an Air Force guy)
But I never learned the distinctions with manufacturers
I have a tarus (sp?) made 9mm for home defense and Louisville fan culling
Definitely not
I just think the people around me have gotten crazier
It’s a trust thing [winking]
You see the multiple paragraphs of Glock/not Glock diatribe you caused. It’s a very touchy subject.
Glock creates the modern semi auto service pistol decades ago, and other manufacturers are just now catching up - which is debatable.