CZ 75 P01

[BlueRaider22]

OK, so I need to stop Googling "handguns for people with large hands" then. heh. Preumably straps and grips don't materially change cost or performance?

Cost? No. Almost all of the better manufacturers give you several back straps as part of the package at no extra cost. I can’t speak for the lower manufacturers because I don’t buy them.

Also, there are often a ton of aftermarket parts you can buy if you want customize grips as well. I have Talon Grips on most of my hand guns. They’re cheap and easy to put on. They make the grip slightly larger but increase grip significantly. Great for large hands and sweaty palms.

Do grips affect performance? They certainly can. Proper technique and practice are the biggest things. But a grip can make shooting more comfortable, yield better control (which can lead to better trigger control), and help with sight alignment.

 

[CastleRubric]

You see the multiple paragraphs of Glock/not Glock diatribe you caused. It’s a very touchy subject.

Glock creates the modern semi auto service pistol decades ago, and other manufacturers are just now catching up - which is debatable.

I did this YEARS ago with Mac vs PC
Seriously had no idea then either

 

[BlueRaider22]

No. That is not what I wrote. Absolutely no. I was attempting to deconstruct Glock enthusiasm by illustrating Glock's own dilluted business model. While at the same time not denying Glock quality, reliability.

And to further illustrate the very limited structure of the overall Glock product line I chose to reference the two most comprehensive firearms makers on the planet, and while detailing the one previously doubted in this thread - CZ. If you didn't follow the thread then you missed that purpose but, for the life of me, I haven't the foggiest idea how you arrived to your other conclusions.

Glock's are very good. They aren't going anywhere. They remain the leader in hammerless, polymer framed pistols. Among major firearm makers whose goal it is to do ONE THING ... they are the best.

Ok, thanks for clearing up the intention.

As for the rest of “my conclusions” they aren’t mine. That’s the growing consensus of military, law enforcing, media, and enthusiasts worldwide.

Glock has been and will remain elite for the time being. For 20....almost 30 yrs....there just wasn’t much competition. Glock was the best. This dominance has led to a reputation that has been well deserved....however, the reputation amongst a collection of zealots has become over inflated to the point where they don’t recognize any competitors who have come on lately. However, most rational enthusiasts have recognized how far other manufacturers have come.

I linked Hickok45 earlier in this thread. This is a guy who has a massive following and is extremely well thought of by many. He is a Glock guy. He shot Glock when he used to compete and still owns/carries Glocks. If you listen to him regularly he talks about how far other manufacturers have come....and routinely compares makes to Glocks. He mentions often how among a few makes/models that it really comes down to personal preference and the individual performance these days.....especially when considering what people use them for.

 

[Hank Camacho]

No. That is not what I wrote. Absolutely no. I was attempting to deconstruct Glock enthusiasm by illustrating Glock's own dilluted business model. While at the same time not denying Glock quality, reliability.

And to further illustrate the very limited structure of the overall Glock product line I chose to reference the two most comprehensive firearms makers on the planet, and while detailing the one previously doubted in this thread - CZ. If you didn't follow the thread then you missed that purpose but, for the life of me, I haven't the foggiest idea how you arrived to your other conclusions.

Glock's are very good. They aren't going anywhere. They remain the leader in hammerless, polymer framed pistols. Among major firearm makers whose goal it is to do ONE THING ... they are the best.

These are a lot of words that almost no one will read.

 

[DidneyWorl]

Hey guys. I’m going to buy this thing I like, but I want to make a thread about it so I can get a bunch of folks to agree with me. Should I do that? Thanks in advance.

Bet that won't work with a Fleshjack thread

 

[812scottj]

So, basically...you can find pistols that perform like a Glock. Or...you can just buy a Glock? As revolvers go, I’ll stick to Smith and Wesson...I have a 629 in 44 mag and an X frame in 460 mag (shoots 45 long colt and 454 casull as well). Why mess with history?

For example, as a lefty, I wanted a nice LH bolt action rifle...got sucked in to spending over $1000 for a Montana X2 instead of a Browning...yada, yada, yada...the unfired Montana is back at the factory correcting machining issues.

Same people who whine about Glocks complain about Benchmade knives...it’s popular to go against the masses when it comes to these things

 

[BlueRaider22]

So, basically...you can find pistols that perform like a Glock. Or...you can just buy a Glock? As revolvers go, I’ll stick to Smith and Wesson...I have a 629 in 44 mag and an X frame in 460 mag (shoots 45 long colt and 454 casull as well). Why mess with history?

For example, as a lefty, I wanted a nice LH bolt action rifle...got sucked in to spending over $1000 for a Montana X2 instead of a Browning...yada, yada, yada...the unfired Montana is back at the factory correcting machining issues.

Same people who whine about Glocks complain about Benchmade knives...it’s popular to go against the masses when it comes to these things

Because you might be able to find a gun that is as reliable for your needs, is more ergonomically friendly, and perhaps you’re more accurate with it. Or perhaps not. The point is we now have options.

Same with Benchmade knives. There’s ZT, Spyderco, Microtech, etc. all 4 of these brands have crazy reputations, retain sharpness, and can last through an apocalypse. It’s mostly about feel and use.


Once again, I’m a Glock owner and love them. Just some come across as if there’s nothing else out there.....or heaven forbid that another make/model be better for a particular person.

 

[IdaCat]

I haven't liked the triggers, or the sights on the Glocks I've tried. They're not that expensive. More of a mid-priced gun. The price along with the shitload of customization parts helps their popularity, imo. I'll probably buy one eventually and tinker with it, but I'm happy with the pistols I already have for now. I want to build another AR-15 and get a semi-auto .22 LR pistol to play with next. Looking at a S&W M&P 22.

 

[Hank Camacho]

Glock sights are terrible. The only thing I did to my 19 was upgrade to trijicon sights. Makes a huge difference. I loathe when people try to trick out a glock and/or f*** with the internals. Why? It is ugly and it goes bang. End of f***ing story.

Anybody shot a Walther PPS M2 or Sig P365? I hate the Glock 43. I'd like something a smidge smaller than a Glock 19 but not much. And spare me any noise about the new models Glock just brought out. Those appear stupid.

 

[mashburned]

The 365 is tiny, but shootable. The grip sucks at first, but you figure it out after a while. If you hate the 43 bc of the grip, you’d likely hate the 365.

The new 48/43x appears to be exactly what you want - a smidge smaller than the 19. They feel really good in the hand.

Glock 26. Short n fat. Classic. Takes all Glock mags.

MP Shield, slightly bigger than 43, easier to get good grip.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Glock sights are terrible. The only thing I did to my 19 was upgrade to trijicon sights. Makes a huge difference. I loathe when people try to trick out a glock and/or f*** with the internals. Why? It is ugly and it goes bang. End of f***ing story.

Anybody shot a Walther PPS M2 or Sig P365? I hate the Glock 43. I'd like something a smidge smaller than a Glock 19 but not much. And spare me any noise about the new models Glock just brought out. Those appear stupid.

I shot the PPS, the Springfield, the 43, and the Shield when looking for another concealed carry a yr or so ago.

-I have big hands and although the Walther has a nice contoured grip, it didn’t fit mine.....felt awkward. Of course smaller guns like this never feel very comfortable for me anyway. I’ve shot the full sized Walther and it’s one of most comfortable guns I’ve ever shot. Had the best trigger of them....nice and crisp. Had good night sights, so no change needed. The mag and slide release felt the best out of all of them, but I didn’t shoot as well as the others. So, I crossed that off my list.

-The Springfield felt familiar. One of my first polymer handguns was a Springfield XD full sized.....so this felt very familiar. Easily had the best texture on the grip. Almost dont need Talon Grips, but I’d get them anyway. Had great night sights and was the easiest to breakdown. Mag and slide release were middle of road. Even though it felt familiar, I shot it 3rd best. Off the list.

-The grip on the Shield was slippery....nothing that Talons wouldn’t fix. Mag and slide release were 2nd best. Had good night sights. The trigger on the Springfield and Shield are very, very similar. They have the 2 best triggers of the group. Breakdown was the worst of the 4 as you have to reach inside with a pen or something to hit a lever inside the well or from the top. I shot this 2nd best.

-Glock 43 easily had the worst ergonomics. Grip is smooth....void of texture.....and is like holding a 2x4 block. Mag release is worst of the 4. Slide release is small, sharp.....takes a lot of getting used to. 3rd worst to break down. Compared to the others, the sights stink....just dreadful. I do give it a bump up because the body and slide are smooth without pieces that could potentially get hung up with a concealed draw. I have a Glock 17 so I know how to change things that need to be changed.....and I’m used to things that annoy. Interestingly enough despite the poor grip and sights, I shot it the best. Also, on this day it was near $100 cheaper than the others because of a rebate I had.


In the end I went with the Glock 43 and it’s price given it’s drawbacks. I gave it Talon Grips, Ameriglo Spartan sights, and bumped up capacity on one of my mags.

Its worth noting that I shot well enough with all.....and all have reliability well enough....to trust each with my life.

 

[Hank Camacho]

What I really want is a Glock P365, not a bunch of gibberish, I guess.

 

[BlueRaider22]

I mentioned the Kahr CM9 earlier in this thread. My brother has one and many people swear by them. I’ve shot it many times. It has never had a malfunction and it compares to the Glock 43 in ergonomics and feel. Though for some reason it hurts my hand to shoot it....so, it’s not for me....but I can see why others like it.

 

[oldsports_]

9mm....any input on this?

Debating whether or not to pull the trigger

Got one for Xmas I have large hands, this gun is awesome. Very nice trigger also. I have a FNX 45Tactical, it ranks up there, and $500 less

 

[oldsports_]

In public he looks just like he does in video.

That's rare. I thought he would look like someone else

 

[BlueRaider22]

Mentioned earlier Kahr being my current preferred poly framed (striker) offering. Had an early problem like you described. Recoil on a P45 model would rub against the back of the big knuckle, thumb base. Would annoy the crap out of me. But subsequent uses it stopped and I realized previously I hadn't been using a good rear centered grip.

In some respects, one could draw comparisons to Kahr's business strategy for handguns to Glock in that there are many consistent features among their models and also between their different model series. I am familiar mostly with their C and P series.

Safe to say Kahr has a bit of a cult following. A small one. Latter middle age and up. Experienced owners and shooters love them.

Mentioned their stainless slide quality in a previous post. After you shoot one and dirty it up real good, break it down, soak it with something like mpro7 or hoppes elite cleaner. Wipe it down, throw a bit of lightly compressed air at the very well machined crevices, and see how perfectly clean that stainless steel is? You love that Kahr.

Exactly. I know it’s the grip. My brother has used his consistently for years without ever getting the pain more than a time or two. My theory has always been my left eye dominance. I likely shift my grip over just enough to get a good sight picture. That being said, the only other time I’ve had a similar pain was firing a revolver yrs ago. I haven’t fired any other Kahrs to see.

 

[BlueRaider22]

That is absolutely the reason. Shooting off hand from dominant eye will cause grip issues. Very commonly. And also make it near impossible to develop good support technique with the off arm, where the tricep is firm to the torso and the extended arms are relaxed while firing.

If you try shooting left handed, you may not like it. But it you did it enough I would bet that you would produce better shot groups. Quickly you should realize exactly why the grip positions differently in your right hand when sighting with your left eye. And why the beaver tail applies friction to bone during recoil, instead of against the muscle tissue between the base of thumb, index finger.

It's actually easy to learn to shoot left handed if left eye dominant. What sucks is re-learning how to go through all the motions, and many semi auto models are unfriendly for it.

I’ve practiced. I shoot long guns left handed, but they’re waaay more forgiving. In general (handguns) I shoot pretty well.....even have gone to a few short courses. (Went to 1 day course in Georgia. It was named something else, but the instructors were guests from Front Sight. I also did a 3 day course from Gunsite back in Tennessee).....but these were too long ago. I need to have a brush up.

 

[theoledog]

Glock sights are terrible. The only thing I did to my 19 was upgrade to trijicon sights. Makes a huge difference. I loathe when people try to trick out a glock and/or f*** with the internals. Why? It is ugly and it goes bang. End of f***ing story.

Anybody shot a Walther PPS M2 or Sig P365? I hate the Glock 43. I'd like something a smidge smaller than a Glock 19 but not much. And spare me any noise about the new models Glock just brought out. Those appear stupid.

I have the PPS M1... I like it and probably shoot it better than a Glock17.
I thought the mag release might be easier on the M1 but alas!... Don't think it is.... The trigger guard lever on the M1 isn't as friendly as say... the HKVP series OMHO.... Little too long perhaps/leverage/for me?? So for true take the M2 version and think you will like... It's not a light weight... carries slim... Still gets heavier than I like for extended carry.... Just another opinion... I know some wear a 1911, but that's just me. Nice trigger... Strike pin "loaded indicator. Glock like takedown... Excellent Walther machining...

 

[BlueRaider22]

I have the PPS M1... I like it and probably shoot it better than a Glock17.
I thought the mag release might be easier on the M1 but alas!... Don't think it is.... The trigger guard lever on the M1 isn't as friendly as say... the HKVP series OMHO.... Little too long perhaps/leverage/for me?? So for true take the M2 version and think you will like... It's not a light weight... carries slim... Still gets heavier than I like for extended carry.... Just another opinion... I know some wear a 1911, but that's just me. Nice trigger... Strike pin "loaded indicator. Glock like takedown... Excellent Walther machining...

I’ve heard absolute rave reviews of Walther and HK ergo and feel. One of these days I’m gonna take a portion of my arsenal, rent Walther/HK, and do some in depth comparisons. I haven’t done it yet because I’m afraid I’d walk out with yet another gun.

 

[shutzhund]

3 Ar15s here

One for each hand, no doubt.[thumb2]

 

[BlueRaider22]

One for each hand, no doubt.[thumb2]

One for each occasion. Women have their little black dresses, we have our little black rifles.

 

[theoledog]

What I really want is a Glock P365, not a bunch of gibberish, I guess.

wouldn't that be a Sig P365? but if there was a Glock P365 it would be cheaper for sure... haven't shot the 365 yet but like it... would be high on my list for sure... also if weight is an issue try the Liberty ammo... it makes a difference... make sure your gun is +P capable...