Is it just coincidence that Taylor’s first full year at Okie State resulted in numerous issues and allegations against the sports biggest temple? Something to think about!
Daily Collegian Article On Starrocci Allegations
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Show your verified source to this allegation.
Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with a real source, nor, a police report. That is not the country we live in. No matter how much folks want to believe, anything stated is factual, it is not. It absolutely, must be proven. That is specifically, what makes America so special.
Furthermore, I'm defending nothing or no one, other than due process.
Name the multiple teammates? If you cannot, with a valid source, delete your post.
I get your post, but that bullsh&t should never see the light of day without official charges. This is precisely how people's lives are ruined.
Where has that been reported? Thank you.
Yeah that opens all kinds of doors. Does anyone know bow often CYS or child services show up to check on children on bogus calls where someone is trying to get someone else in trouble. ALOT
Presumably SOMEONE reported at least one allegation to Safe Sport…
I hope that Safe Sport staff don’t list anyone because they peruse, or caught wind of, Twitter… or student newspapers!
But it sounds like ANYONE can register the allegation with them.. which could be, in addition to any alleged victim, or witness…
…or anyone else who has read or heard of said allegations… a rival coach has been mentioned above.. could even a rival fan file a complaint?
I hope that Safe Sport staff don’t list anyone because they peruse, or caught wind of, Twitter… or student newspapers!
But it sounds like ANYONE can register the allegation with them.. which could be, in addition to any alleged victim, or witness…
…or anyone else who has read or heard of said allegations… a rival coach has been mentioned above.. could even a rival fan file a complaint?
@Corneliuswonder is a football and basketball guy who hasn't posted on the wrestling board until this incident.
His only post that had anything to do with wrestling was to suggest cutting wrestling in a discussion about which sports to cut in the NIL era. His post simply said "I'd actually suggest wrestling," in response to a his original post declaring that no sports should be cut. Check his posting history.
He's clearly an anti-wrestling guy and has now discovered this board after hearing about Starocci. Probably either jealous of the team's success because the basketball programs historical ineptness or just a guy who didn't like the wrestlers when he was in school because they intimidated him physically.
Ignore him.
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Fortunately some states are requiring that the reporting party identify themselves in case any further follow-up is needed. Child Protective Services (or whatever it is called in each individual state) will not divulge that information to the party(ies) being investigated, but it does bring a much-needed level of accountability for the complainant. I hope more states will switch to this model.
Theoretically, you could report people who just happen to be the representatives for an opposing team's RTC right before OTTs or WTTs and make them ineligible, pending whatever process SafeSport has to make a determination.
Or, taking it down another rabbit hole, if you were the 2nd place finisher at one of those tournaments, and just happen to be spectating, with all of your stuff ready to go, at Worlds, you could report the guy or gal who beat you and magically find yourself the rep for the team at Worlds.
That seems...not good.
I get listing Snyder on there. He was arrested for and charged with a crime. He pled to a lower charge and he was taken off.
I'm not giving Carter a pass here but...what is the basis for this listing? Where is the police report? What are the charges?
I understand that they want to make it easy to protect victims. I support that. I also understand that they have, theoretically, no legal obligation to the people they put on their black list, as they are not a government organization.
Or, taking it down another rabbit hole, if you were the 2nd place finisher at one of those tournaments, and just happen to be spectating, with all of your stuff ready to go, at Worlds, you could report the guy or gal who beat you and magically find yourself the rep for the team at Worlds.
That seems...not good.
I get listing Snyder on there. He was arrested for and charged with a crime. He pled to a lower charge and he was taken off.
I'm not giving Carter a pass here but...what is the basis for this listing? Where is the police report? What are the charges?
I understand that they want to make it easy to protect victims. I support that. I also understand that they have, theoretically, no legal obligation to the people they put on their black list, as they are not a government organization.
If Carter had wrestled at Iowa, would he be on Permanent Suspension?
Can you imagine if Montell Marion himself weighed in this week from a new verified twitter account? Might be kinda par for this offseason...
In my very best words regarding this situation. For a body to post anything without actual police reports is so agregious, I have no words. For someone on here to post unverified fking nonsense makes my skin boil.
I simply ask. For what purpose? Why would you do that?
I simply ask. For what purpose? Why would you do that?
Oh boy does this get my scheming thought process going! Everyone on this message board should report numerous misdeeds to Safe Sport regarding the conduct of all of Slumlord Bob’s latest “investments.” Safe Sport would list their names and they would be temporarily suspended from any USA Wrestling activities. Although there may not be any official rule regarding their NCAA eligibility, there would be a lot of pressure on Iowa to do the same until the issues are resolved.
Yeah, having written HR manuals in the early days of the enlightened corporate sexual harassment movement, the standard system was turned on its head. You were guilty until proven innocent. Which, given the times, seemed like a reasonable alternative to the hypothetically huge problem. Except, when you co-opt the system of justice that we as humans have spent centuries creating to move beyond the rather medieval eye-for-an-eye historical alternative (Burn her, she's a witch! She turned me into a newt!), you've created a really slippery slope. The old adage, better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer, exists for a reason, as painful as it may be to the aggrieved.
Derek Jeter says hi as well
he actually played shortstop in a lot of games - just had the range of an Ottoman out there
… if we can think it…some would DO it!Oh boy does this get my scheming thought process going! Everyone on this message board should report numerous misdeeds to Safe Sport regarding the conduct of all of Slumlord Bob’s latest “investments.” Safe Sport would list their names and they would be temporarily suspended from any USA Wrestling activities. Although there may not be any official rule regarding their NCAA eligibility, there would be a lot of pressure on Iowa to do the same until the issues are resolved.
I said I wasn't posting anything about Carter until August.
Truly not about Carter but thoughts about the most recent events on this thread
The only thing that is confusing to me is the Safe Sport guidelines.
Our foundation of Justice in USA is the Presumption of Innocence. Seems to me Safe Sport posting procedures is based on Presumption of Guilt.
Unless I'm confused, this could be a Hornets nest for athletes. It just doesn't make sense that an athlete can be put on suspended list without due process.,???
Even in Animal House "Double Secret Probation" existed.,
Truly not about Carter but thoughts about the most recent events on this thread
The only thing that is confusing to me is the Safe Sport guidelines.
Our foundation of Justice in USA is the Presumption of Innocence. Seems to me Safe Sport posting procedures is based on Presumption of Guilt.
Unless I'm confused, this could be a Hornets nest for athletes. It just doesn't make sense that an athlete can be put on suspended list without due process.,???
Even in Animal House "Double Secret Probation" existed.,
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My wife was a single mom and lived in the Bloomsburg area at that time. There was a drug dealing dirtbag type there that had a little spot with her so they report her to CYS.
It was bs. I was falsely accused of sexual misconduct via anonymous tip. It was in retaliation to Sandusky related stuff online.
False accusations outweigh credible reports. By a lot.
is the easiest way to attack someone you have a beef with, and somehow the system needs to be changed to protect the rights of the innocent.
This ridiculousness finds its way everywhere I see. Check out the highlights from the Yankees-Red Sox game on 7/1/04. Yeah, he had cement feet out there. Or the many jump throws that were his trademark. I get the jealousy of the Yankees, I really do. But I'll never understand the running down of an all-time great player who was as humble as they come in an era of complete opposites. He wasn't Ozzie Smith in the field, but some people talk about him like he was Marv Throneberry.
Late career Derek didn't have much range. I'm not a Yankee fan but always appreciated Jeter for his ability and professional attitude.
I feel as if people are going too far in their analogies regarding the suspension. I would liken it to being in jail pending a trial. You are still presumed innocent, but for safety/flight risk/whatever other reasons, you are not given the same rights as you were before the process started.
I do see how this could be a major issue if someone used it to intentionally harm someone else's career by falsely accusing them at an inopportune time, but I also see why USAW would want to err on the side of caution. If there was a situation where someone was accused of misconduct (and reported to USAW) but presumed innocent and still allowed to compete/practice, and then something happened where that accused person was the perpetrator of some more sexual misconduct that would look horrible for USAW (and could potentially see them be liable/put people in hot water). I just don't know how much information they get when someone makes a report, and where the right balance is for suspension/presumption of innocence.
I do see how this could be a major issue if someone used it to intentionally harm someone else's career by falsely accusing them at an inopportune time, but I also see why USAW would want to err on the side of caution. If there was a situation where someone was accused of misconduct (and reported to USAW) but presumed innocent and still allowed to compete/practice, and then something happened where that accused person was the perpetrator of some more sexual misconduct that would look horrible for USAW (and could potentially see them be liable/put people in hot water). I just don't know how much information they get when someone makes a report, and where the right balance is for suspension/presumption of innocence.
We may have to deport Safe Sport and slap a 1 billion percent tariff on it.
Trump did seem admire CS.
In this country, you only need to absolutely prove something if you are in court trying to take away someone's rights. There is no legal requirement of proof in this country for being allowed to attend a wrestling practice. Accusations for bad conduct have always existed, both wrongful accusations and accurate accusations. However, due to the internet and the ability to reach large numbers of people, such accusations have a much greater affect on a person's life than they did before the internet. You can only hope that the people on the website are properly vetting the allegations before placing someone on their list.
I get your point, but pretrial detention requires an evidentiary showing of probable cause before a court can order a dft held in custody pending trial. Except for a small subset of crimes, federal law presumes that a dft is NOT a flight risk or danger to the community and should be released pending trial unless the govt carries its burden of proving otherwise through the presentation of evidence.
And even before that point, dfts are entitled to a probable cause hearing on the charges where the govt bears the burden of presenting sufficient evidence that the charges are adequately supported to even proceed. A PC hrg isn't required if dfts are charged by grand jury indictment because the GJ already made the PC determination based on evidence the govt presented to it at that stage.
Bottom line: both charging and detention determinations require a showing of proof unless a dft waives his rights.
Yes, PC is required for any arrest and for charges to be brought. There has to be further PC for bail to be denied. My analogy was just in response to the people likening Carter facing an interim suspension to him being assumed guilty.
While I agree that the standard of proof required in this suspension case will not be the same as holding someone in detention (probable cause/strong evidence), that is a good thing. The reason that the standard is so high is that it deprives someone of their freedom as a person. Carter being suspended just means he can't compete or attend sanctioned practices for the moment, not nearly as much of an infringement on his liberty.
I get the argument that not showing proof of why he is suspended could be unfair to Carter (or anyone else suspended), but I also get why they would want to protect the identity of the person doing so. I am curious to see how this situation plays out and how long he stays on the list, or if more stuff comes out regarding this situation.
All time great offensive player as an infielder. Should have spent most of his time at the Hot Corner instead of the most important defensive position in the game as his range was objectively not close to even average amongst his peers. The jump throws - as spectacular as they were - were necessary because he couldn’t get to balls as well as more athletic SS’s. To his credit, he was pretty nails on at catching what he got to - but he didn’t get to enough balls.
again, great player, great captain and great for the game as he seemingly played clean when surrounded by a lot of dopers, but he was at the wrong position given his skillset. His 5 Gold Gloves are a travesty.
I'd never heard of a diva cup until I watched this. I now wish I'd scrolled past.
