Daily Collegian Article On Starrocci Allegations

[dicemen99]

I have plenty of opinions on much of this. But personally, it’s not a topic I look to discuss publicly with a bunch of more or less anonymous old dudes (like myself).

Does that make me better than those that do? Certainly not—but it does help describe the uneasiness I feel reading some posts in this thread.

I am in complete agreement on this.

Syd has made herself fair game with her public posturing. But commenting or speculating on their relationship is too much for me.

I think some may be doing this to avoid putting Beau in their crosshairs or something of the like (maybe??), but it is not necessary.

 

[amattaro]

“Opinions are like a-holes. Everyone has one on the tip of their tongue.” - @Cstroke

 

[McScoreley]

"Carter is not afraid of discovery as we will all see soon." - Brantt on 247

Here we go

EDIT: Apologies, someone already posted

 

[mvattivo]

I am in complete agreement on this.

Syd has made herself fair game with her public posturing. But commenting or speculating on their relationship is too much for me.

I think some may be doing this to avoid putting Beau in their crosshairs or something of the like (maybe??), but it is not necessary.

It has been *mostly* very predictable. Most non-PSU fans are trying to make this as big as possible, in hopes that it ruins the thing that they can't beat otherwise. Most PSU fans are downplaying it or pushing the negative onto the Bartletts (Trust me, I think Syd deserves much of what has been given). It's just business as usual.

 

[creamery freak]

There is one thing I would change immediately for any PSU wrestlers entering the locked doors of the Lorenzo wrestling center. I would put a locker with 50+ small doors, individually keyed, that cell phones had to be locked in upon entrance.

This would allow the Coaches to take away any opportunity for pics to be taken without their permission, going forward inside Lorenzo. Cael preaches staying off social media, and this would help prevent another issue down the road. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Lyons212]

Can you list a couple of the "many high profile false allegations"?

Off the top of my head, the current punter for the KC Chiefs when he played at San Diego State.

 

[AgSurfer]

There is one thing I would change immediately for any PSU wrestlers entering the locked doors of the Lorenzo wrestling center. I would put a locker with 50+ small doors, individually keyed, that cell phones had to be locked in upon entrance.

This would allow the Coaches to take away any opportunity for pics to be taken without their permission, going forward inside Lorenzo. Cael preaches staying off social media, and this would help prevent another issue down the road. Just my 2 cents.

Just like where I work except if you get caught taking photos with a cell phone, you will get a very unpleasant visit from the MIB.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Off the top of my head, the current punter for the KC Chiefs when he played at San Diego State.

Trevor Bauer. the Duke Lacrosse team. Brian Banks.

Report: Exonerated football player cites "privilege" in Stanford sex assault case

"I would say it's a case of privilege," Brian Banks told the NY Daily News, about the Stanford swimmer who got a light sentence for rape conviction

www.cbsnews.com

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Can you list a couple of the "many high profile false allegations"?

Trevor Bauer, Brian Banks, Duke Lacrosse.

Report: Exonerated football player cites "privilege" in Stanford sex assault case

"I would say it's a case of privilege," Brian Banks told the NY Daily News, about the Stanford swimmer who got a light sentence for rape conviction

www.cbsnews.com

High enough profile for your. Bauer lost tens of millions of dollars. Banks did five years in prison. The Duke lacrosse team went through hell.

Then we have Amber Heard : https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture...d-defamation-trial-summary-timeline-rcna26136

Now imagine if you're some poor regular Joe with a public defender? Banks did five years. My case was a quick investigation that was BS. My wife's case of a false report to CYS was debunked by a police visit.

If they go to the media and social media first without a criminal report, it is almost certainly BS.

 

[McScoreley]

Off the top of my head, the current punter for the KC Chiefs when he played at San Diego State.

Brian Banks is the most notorious case as he served 5 years in prison, the woman admitted on the record (when he was wearing a wire) she lied for money but yet she faced no repercussions.

Duke Lacrosse obviously, season was shut down and multiple players who weren't even at the scene of the alleged crime were charged with jail time hanging over their head.

Shawn Oakman got accused right before the NFL draft, he was a projected 1st rounder (in the very least, would have gotten drafted somewhere to get a 7 figure guaranteed payout) He went undrafted, trial took years to go to court, the evidence of his innocence was so overwhelming it took the jury 45 minutes basically to return a not guilty verdict. Despite him still training hard, his chances of ever making the NFL is gone forever.

There have been other high profile cases that never resulted in charges but damaged reputations: Patrick Kane, Derrick Rose and I'm missing a lot I'm sure but right now: Shannon Sharpe and Zion Williamson.

I say all that to say this, there are more unreported SAs than fake reports, way more. I will never ever support something like "jail time" for fake reports unless it's for egregious level of lying and hard proof of it (like Brian Banks) Even cases like Shawn Oakman and Matt Araiza, I'll err on the side of caution for a he said, she said case that heavily favors the accused (Shawn Oakman) and bad testimony that borders on lying (Matt Araiza, who left the scene of the alleged SA before anything happened) The last thing we need is for victims to think there's any chance of them going to jail if they can't prove they got assaulted.

But on the flip side, innocent until proven guilty is how we operate in the courts in the US .... but not the court of public opinion and Carter will deal with that for the rest of his career at this point regardless of what happens.

 

[js8793]

Trevor Bauer, Brian Banks, Duke Lacrosse.

Report: Exonerated football player cites "privilege" in Stanford sex assault case

"I would say it's a case of privilege," Brian Banks told the NY Daily News, about the Stanford swimmer who got a light sentence for rape conviction

www.cbsnews.com

High enough profile for your. Bauer lost tens of millions of dollars. Banks did five years in prison. The Duke lacrosse team went through hell.

Then we have Amber Heard : https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture...d-defamation-trial-summary-timeline-rcna26136

Now imagine if you're some poor regular Joe with a public defender? Banks did five years. My case was a quick investigation that was BS. My wife's case of a false report to CYS was debunked by a police visit.

If they go to the media and social media first without a criminal report, it is almost certainly BS.

I say all that to say this, there are more unreported SAs than fake reports, way more.

@McScoreley said it perfectly, so I'm just quoting him.

 

[PAgeologist]

"Carter is not afraid of discovery as we will all see soon." - Brantt on 247

Here we go

EDIT: Apologies, someone already posted

Sounds like **** is about to get real.

 

[Anon1752243914]

Off the top of my head, the current punter for the KC Chiefs when he played at San Diego State.

Austin scott

 

[Dren007]

So, what happened to the liars that brought false allegations? Why wouldn't they then be punished for ruining the lives of others.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

So, what happened to the liars that brought false allegations? Why wouldn't they then be punished for ruining the lives

In one case the lady admitted to it, he forgave her and she faced zero consequences other than embarrassment.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Brian Banks is the most notorious case as he served 5 years in prison, the woman admitted on the record (when he was wearing a wire) she lied for money but yet she faced no repercussions.

Duke Lacrosse obviously, season was shut down and multiple players who weren't even at the scene of the alleged crime were charged with jail time hanging over their head.

Shawn Oakman got accused right before the NFL draft, he was a projected 1st rounder (in the very least, would have gotten drafted somewhere to get a 7 figure guaranteed payout) He went undrafted, trial took years to go to court, the evidence of his innocence was so overwhelming it took the jury 45 minutes basically to return a not guilty verdict. Despite him still training hard, his chances of ever making the NFL is gone forever.

There have been other high profile cases that never resulted in charges but damaged reputations: Patrick Kane, Derrick Rose and I'm missing a lot I'm sure but right now: Shannon Sharpe and Zion Williamson.

I say all that to say this, there are more unreported SAs than fake reports, way more. I will never ever support something like "jail time" for fake reports unless it's for egregious level of lying and hard proof of it (like Brian Banks) Even cases like Shawn Oakman and Matt Araiza, I'll err on the side of caution for a he said, she said case that heavily favors the accused (Shawn Oakman) and bad testimony that borders on lying (Matt Araiza, who left the scene of the alleged SA before anything happened) The last thing we need is for victims to think there's any chance of them going to jail if they can't prove they got assaulted.

But on the flip side, innocent until proven guilty is how we operate in the courts in the US .... but not the court of public opinion and Carter will deal with that for the rest of his career at this point regardless of what happens.

You are wrong about more unreported SAs than reported because most initial reports are BS. This fantasy is what helps fuel the fire of false complaints.

I had one against me. My wife had a case of child abuse levied against her. And every officer I've talked to that investigates these cases has told me the same. It's just too easy to make stuff up with next to zero consequences. This is actual reporting to the police. Social media allegations with no reporting to the police is a huge red flag for a false allegation.

 

[Dogwelder]

It has been *mostly* very predictable. Most non-PSU fans are trying to make this as big as possible, in hopes that it ruins the thing that they can't beat otherwise. Most PSU fans are downplaying it or pushing the negative onto the Bartletts (Trust me, I think ...

"Most non-PSU fans". "Most PSU fans".

 

[RBOld]

Good lord Vito's gas tank is bad. He barely got through that. Jax won that easily.

 

[Cstroke]

“Opinions are like a-holes. Everyone has one on the tip of their tongue.” - @Cstroke

Mmmzzzzz?

 

[PennState1985]

You are wrong about more unreported SAs than reported because most initial reports are BS. This fantasy is what helps fuel the fire of false complaints.

I had one against me. My wife had a case of child abuse levied against her. And every officer I've talked to that investigates these cases has told me the same. It's just too easy to make stuff up with next to zero consequences. This is actual reporting to the police. Social media allegations with no reporting to the police is a huge red flag for a false allegation.

I can't tell you how many of my employees have complained about false child protective services complaints. They get into some issue with someone and CPS is called in. There needs to be more consequences for false reporting.

 

[AgSurfer]

Trevor Bauer. the Duke Lacrosse team. Brian Banks.

Report: Exonerated football player cites "privilege" in Stanford sex assault case

"I would say it's a case of privilege," Brian Banks told the NY Daily News, about the Stanford swimmer who got a light sentence for rape conviction

www.cbsnews.com

Don’t forget Brett Kavanaugh.

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

Can't forget that guy.

 

[RockySmith]

Good lord Vito's gas tank is bad. He barely got through that. Jax won that easily.

Was wondering if it was too much recuperation after surgery and not enough time to get the gas tank in shape. 2 minutes to go in the second match and he was hands-on-knees and looking beaten. Match was over at that point.

 

[Goggles Paisano]

Then we have Amber Heard : https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture...d-defamation-trial-summary-timeline-rcna26136

Fecal matter.... She is gross

 

[Hotshoe]

Trevor Bauer, Brian Banks, Duke Lacrosse.

Report: Exonerated football player cites "privilege" in Stanford sex assault case

"I would say it's a case of privilege," Brian Banks told the NY Daily News, about the Stanford swimmer who got a light sentence for rape conviction

www.cbsnews.com

High enough profile for your. Bauer lost tens of millions of dollars. Banks did five years in prison. The Duke lacrosse team went through hell.

Then we have Amber Heard : https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture...d-defamation-trial-summary-timeline-rcna26136

Now imagine if you're some poor regular Joe with a public defender? Banks did five years. My case was a quick investigation that was BS. My wife's case of a false report to CYS was debunked by a police visit.

If they go to the media and social media first without a criminal report, it is almost certainly BS.

Dude is clueless, and, you obviously know where he stands. He still believes America is a Democracy. Lmao. Told me to learn history. How funny is that!

 

[SkiSkiSki]

Don’t forget Brett Kavanaugh.

Tawana Brawley starts paying man she falsely accused of rape in 1987​

 

[JoeBagobagels]

So, what happened to the liars that brought false allegations? Why wouldn't they then be punished for ruining the lives of others.

The first reason is most people don’t give a crap. And there are women’s rights organizations who literally make money off of this kind of crap. About what victims women are.

My wife was a single mother, approximately 19-20 years old and would qualify for a grant to go to school if she went to this female self-esteem and empowerment course.

All it was is 40 hours a week for eight weeks of man hating. They tried to get women to break up with their fiancé or spouses, they wanted them to go to work to do traditional male jobs like driving a truck or welding.

My wife wanted to become a hairstylist which they really were against. How dare she choose something that she was interested in. Well after the end of this debacle, she was testing her self-esteem actually decreased even by there. I’m sure somewhat rigged system.

So the state paid for this garbage and then paid for her to go to school. So instead of saying having a grant for $4000 for cosmetology school, they probably paid much more than that for this idiot, of course and such.

The people that run these courses need victims. They need this to be a bigger problem than you could imagine and every false complaint works against their agenda.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

I can't tell you how many of my employees have complained about false child protective services complaints. They get into some issue with someone and CPS is called in. There needs to be more consequences for false reporting.

I guess there are civil liabilities, but look how that is? Do you think that the lady who accused the baseball player of sexual assault is going to be able to pay him maybe 40, 50, or $100 million that he lost due to this nonsense? And since we don’t have debtor prisons, what is he going do to her?

In my wife’s case, she had a dirtbag neighbor in an apartment place who, for whatever reason had an event against her. I think some creep actually broke into apartment and stole something like panties and it might’ve been her boyfriend or husband who did it.

Low income drama unfortunately . An author and expert and violence that are respect once wrote if you want to write about domestic violence, you should be required to live in a trailer park for one year.
It was his contention that women hit more often, but men hit harder and as for infidelity that runs at least equal or maybe higher with the females.

Women just don’t face the same consequences .

 

[JoeBagobagels]

I can't tell you how many of my employees have complained about false child protective services complaints. They get into some issue with someone and CPS is called in. There needs to be more consequences for false reporting.

Let’s take all those false complaints you see CYS, false accusations that actually get to the police, then imagine how many false accusations or lies are told about people that never reach a level of some kind of public report?
This is why I bristle that sexual assault are unreported or so much higher than actual false complaints. How do we know the numbers when that number is liberally gained from some very specious surveys. It’s a very poor methodology.

 

[AgSurfer]

The first reason is most people don’t give a crap. And there are women’s rights organizations who literally make money off of this kind of crap. About what victims women are.

My wife was a single mother, approximately 19-20 years old and would qualify for a grant to go to school if she went to this female self-esteem and empowerment course.

All it was is 40 hours a week for eight weeks of man hating. They tried to get women to break up with their fiancé or spouses, they wanted them to go to work to do traditional male jobs like driving a truck or welding.

My wife wanted to become a hairstylist which they really were against. How dare she choose something that she was interested in. Well after the end of this debacle, she was testing her self-esteem actually decreased even by there. I’m sure somewhat rigged system.

So the state paid for this garbage and then paid for her to go to school. So instead of saying having a grant for $4000 for cosmetology school, they probably paid much more than that for this idiot, of course and such.

The people that run these courses need victims. They need this to be a bigger problem than you could imagine and every false complaint works against their agenda.

There is also a very simple answer - it's almost impossible to prove a negative. For example, Christine Blasey Ford accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault, but there was no evidence to corroborate her story. Consequently, the accusations were dismissed in Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings. However, it was also impossible to prove that Ford's accusations DID NOT happen. The details of the "assault" were so vague that no witnesses could be found who could refute the story just as no witnesses could be found to support it. Hence the entire episode was allowed to quietly disappear from the news.

 

[wrestlingfan22]

There is also a very simple answer - it's almost impossible to prove a negative. For example, Christine Blasey Ford accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault, but there was no evidence to corroborate her story. Consequently, the accusations were dismissed in Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings. However, it was also impossible to prove that Ford's accusations DID NOT happen.

Additionally, the reason why, in a criminal verdict, people are declared NOT GUILTY instead of being declared innocent. There is no proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) of GUILT, which is all the jury rules; they are not stating that the person is innocent, just that their guilt can't be proven.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

There is also a very simple answer - it's almost impossible to prove a negative. For example, Christine Blasey Ford accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault, but there was no evidence to corroborate her story. Consequently, the accusations were dismissed in Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings. However, it was also impossible to prove that Ford's accusations DID NOT happen. The details of the "assault" were so vague that no witnesses could be found who could refute the story just as no witnesses could be found to support it. Hence the entire episode was allowed to quietly disappear from the news.

Oh it didn't disappear quietly.

 

[PSUer89]

I guess there are civil liabilities, but look how that is? Do you think that the lady who accused the baseball player of sexual assault is going to be able to pay him maybe 40, 50, or $100 million that he lost due to this nonsense? And since we don’t have debtor prisons, what is he going do to her?

In my wife’s case, she had a dirtbag neighbor in an apartment place who, for whatever reason had an event against her. I think some creep actually broke into apartment and stole something like panties and it might’ve been her boyfriend or husband who did it.

Low income drama unfortunately . An author and expert and violence that are respect once wrote if you want to write about domestic violence, you should be required to live in a trailer park for one year.
It was his contention that women hit more often, but men hit harder and as for infidelity that runs at least equal or maybe higher with the females.

Women just don’t face the same consequences .

I can’t believe this thread has turned into the crap you’re spewing. Well, actually, it’s not really that surprising. Filing false rape/SA claims is abhorrent, but the vast majority of times, the claims are true. And only about 25% of rapes/SA are actually reported.
I have no idea (nor does anyone know this board) what is true or not in the allegations against CStar. But it is important to keep the overall facts in mind.

https://www.nsvrc.org/publications/...-successfully-investigate-and-prosecute-non-sFalse Reports: Moving Beyond the Issue to Successfully Investigate and Prosecute Non-Stranger Sexual Assault |

National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC)https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsarp00.pdf

 

[El_Jefe]

Looks like we're gonna need another Syd IG video to restore sanity to this thread.

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

I didn't realize we had so many experts in our midst.

 

[The Pitchfork Rebel]

There is also a very simple answer - it's almost impossible to prove a negative. For example, Christine Blasey Ford accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault, but there was no evidence to corroborate her story. Consequently, the accusations were dismissed in Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings. However, it was also impossible to prove that Ford's accusations DID NOT happen. The details of the "assault" were so vague that no witnesses could be found who could refute the story just as no witnesses could be found to support it. Hence the entire episode was allowed to quietly disappear from the news.

Anita Hill made a career out of her accusations.

 

[The Pitchfork Rebel]

I didn't realize we had so many experts in our midst.

Experts know more and more about less and less.

Much of the world is ruled by "experts". How's that working out?

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

Yes, what a wise statement.

 

[The Pitchfork Rebel]

I can’t believe this thread has turned into the crap you’re spewing. Well, actually, it’s not really that surprising. Filing false rape/SA claims is abhorrent, but the vast majority of times, the claims are true. And only about 25% of rapes/SA are actually reported.
I have no idea (nor does anyone know this board) what is true or not in the allegations against CStar. But it is important to keep the overall facts in mind.

https://www.nsvrc.org/publications/...-successfully-investigate-and-prosecute-non-sFalse Reports: Moving Beyond the Issue to Successfully Investigate and Prosecute Non-Stranger Sexual Assault |

National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC)https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsarp00.pdf

What does this advertisement have to do with the validity of a specific set of allegations?

 

[Dogwelder]

Experts know more and more about less and less.

Much of the world is ruled by "experts". How's that working out?

Experts built the wonderful iPhone that I’m using. So experts are working out for smart phones. Experts designed the US building codes, and so when we get earthquakes, we get small death tolls whereas countries that don’t have experts get death tolls in the tens of thousands. So experts are working out for structural safety. Experts predict hurricanes, and, again, US death tolls are much smaller than in countries without experts. Cael Sanderson is an expert in wrestling and coaching. I can go on and on.

On the other side, the Chinese communists declared war on experts in their first few decades and tens of millions starved to death as a direct result, and the country remained poor and backward. I would not advise anybody to follow that example and start firing experts en masse!

So, any blanket assertion that experts are categorically bad has been disproven here, and a painfully wrong assertion has not gone unopposed. But this is a wrestling forum, so we should probably not add any more philosophy musings and ratiocination about experts.